Re: Game 7 Performances by All-Time Greats
It's funny, every time Jlauber's confronted with the shortcomings of Wilt he always starts with the "it wasn't Wilt's fault, just look at his teammates.." and when that doesn't work he starts to spam about other all-time greats who failed in the same manner like that justifies anything..
Re: Game 7 Performances by All-Time Greats
[QUOTE=Trumpin]33 shots to get 37 points isn't a bowdown performance.[/QUOTE]
I don't understand this argument. 33 shots while shooting at 50 percent (considered by 99.9 percent of people to be good efficiency), assuming all 2 point shots, is 33 points. So getting 37 points with 33 shots is efficient.... isn't it?
Re: Game 7 Performances by All-Time Greats
[B]1984 Finals - Game 7[/B]
Larry Bird: 20 pts, 12 reb, 3 ast, 2 stl, 1 blk, 2 tov, 6-18 FG, 0-0 3 PT, 8-8 FT (W)
-5th leading scorer in the game
-3rd leading rebounder in the game
[B]2010 Finals - Game 7[/B]
Kobe Bryant: 23 pts, 15 reb, 2 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 4 tov, 6-24 FG, 0-6 3PT, 11-15 FT (W)
-leading scorer in the game
-2nd leading rebounder in the game
Both shot 6-18 from inside the 3pt line. Both of their teams won the game. Both won Finals MVP.
Very similar performances even though the game were much different. 2010 was a defensive struggle (score: 83-79), while 1984 was a fast paced run and gun game (score: 111-102).
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[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow][B]1984 Finals - Game 7[/B]
Larry Bird: 20 pts, 12 reb, 3 ast, 2 stl, 1 blk, 2 tov, 6-18 FG, 0-0 3 PT, 8-8 FT (W)
-5th leading scorer in the game
-3rd leading rebounder in the game
[B]2010 Finals - Game 7[/B]
Kobe Bryant: 23 pts, 15 reb, 2 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 4 tov, 6-24 FG, 0-6 3PT, 11-15 FT (W)
-leading scorer in the game
-2nd leading rebounder in the game
Both shot 6-18 from inside the 3pt line. Both of their teams won the game. Both won Finals MVP.
Very similar performances even though the game were much different. 2010 was a defensive struggle, while 1984 was a fast paced run and gun game.[/QUOTE]
people give Kobe way too much crap.
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Everyones percentages drop in game 7 to be fair.
But hold on just a minute I need to find something.
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[QUOTE=riseagainst]people give Kobe way too much crap.[/QUOTE]
Modern players get way too much crap, Lebron/Kobe are both microanalysed to a ridiculous extent that most greats never had to deal with (though somehow Durant's managed to avoid a lot of that so far). Had Bird/Magic played in today's era, we would never stop hearing about some of their stinkers (such as Bird's 1984 game 7, Magic's 1981 game 3 vs. the Rockets and 1984 Tragic Johnson) just like we'll never stop hearing about Kobe's game 7s in 2006 and 2010, and Lebron's 2011 Finals. These guys have all had duds in huge games before.
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[QUOTE=Rubio2Gasol]Everyones percentages drop in game 7 to be fair.
But hold on just a minute I need to find something.[/QUOTE]
Chamberlain "the Choker" shot .626 from the field in his nine game sevens.
1962 ECF's 7-15
1964 WCF's 19-29
1965 ECF's 12-15
1968 ECF's 4-9
1969 Finals 7-8
1970 1st round 11-18
1970 Finals 10-16
1971 1st Round 7-12
1973 1st Round 10-17
87-139 .626
Which is the highest game seven career FG% by any of the "all-time" greats.
Incidently, Chamberlain played in two game seven's in the Finals, and collectively shot 17-24 or .708 in those two game seven's (while grabbing 51 rebounds... 25.5 rpg.)
How about Kareem in his two game seven's of the Finals? 12-28 or .429
Hakeem? 10-25 or .400
Bird? 6-18 or .333
Kobe? 6-24 or .250
Duncan? 10-27 .370
Re: Game 7 Performances by All-Time Greats
[QUOTE=jlauber]Chamberlain "the Choker" shot .626 from the field in his nine game sevens.
1962 ECF's 7-15
1964 WCF's 19-29
1965 ECF's 12-15
1968 ECF's 4-9
1969 Finals 7-8
1970 1st round 11-18
1970 Finals 10-16
1971 1st Round 7-12
1973 1st Round 10-17
87-139 .626
Which is the highest game seven career FG% by any of the "all-time" greats.
Incidently, Chamberlain played in two game seven's in the Finals, and collectively shot 17-24 or .708 in those two game seven's (while grabbing 51 rebounds... 25.5 rpg.)
How about Kareem in his two game seven's of the Finals? 12-28 or .429
Hakeem? 10-25 or .400
Bird? 6-18 or .333
Kobe? 6-24 or .250
Duncan? 10-27 .370[/QUOTE]
Edit: Sorry. made a mistake....
Re: Game 7 Performances by All-Time Greats
[QUOTE=jlauber]Chamberlain "the Choker" shot .626 from the field in his nine game sevens.
1962 ECF's 7-15
1964 WCF's 19-29
1965 ECF's 12-15
1968 ECF's 4-9
1969 Finals 7-8
1970 1st round 11-18
1970 Finals 10-16
1971 1st Round 7-12
1973 1st Round 10-17
87-139 .626
Which is the highest game seven career FG% by any of the "all-time" greats.
Incidently, Chamberlain played in two game seven's in the Finals, and collectively shot 17-24 or .708 in those two game seven's (while grabbing 51 rebounds... 25.5 rpg.)
How about Kareem in his two game seven's of the Finals? 12-28 or .429
Hakeem? 10-25 or .400
Bird? 6-18 or .333
Kobe? 6-24 or .250
Duncan? 10-27 .370[/QUOTE]
jlauber - check your PMs
Re: Game 7 Performances by All-Time Greats
[QUOTE=fpliii]jlauber - check your PMs[/QUOTE]
I responded.
Re: Game 7 Performances by All-Time Greats
[QUOTE=jlauber]Chamberlain "the Choker" shot .626 from the field in his nine game sevens.
1962 ECF's 7-15
1964 WCF's 19-29
1965 ECF's 12-15
1968 ECF's 4-9
1969 Finals 7-8
1970 1st round 11-18
1970 Finals 10-16
1971 1st Round 7-12
1973 1st Round 10-17
87-139 .626
Which is the highest game seven career FG% by any of the "all-time" greats.
Incidently, Chamberlain played in two game seven's in the Finals, and collectively shot 17-24 or .708 in those two game seven's (while grabbing 51 rebounds... 25.5 rpg.)
How about Kareem in his two game seven's of the Finals? 12-28 or .429
Hakeem? 10-25 or .400
Bird? 6-18 or .333
Kobe? 6-24 or .250
Duncan? 10-27 .370[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow][B]Wilt in Game 7s[/B]
'70 Finals, Game 7: 1-11
'69 Finals, Game 7: 4-13 ...[COLOR="Red"](2 point loss)[/COLOR]
'68 Div Finals, Game 7: 6-15 ...[COLOR="Red"](4 point loss)[/COLOR]
'65 Div Finals, Game 7: 6-13 ...[COLOR="Red"](1 point loss)[/COLOR]
'64 Div Semifinals, Game 7: 1-6
'62 Divisional Finals, Game 7: 8-9
Total: 26-67, [B]38.8%[/B]
[B]Wilt in the Finals[/B]
124-326, [B]38.0%[/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow][B]1973 NBA Finals[/B]
Lakers had HCA but lost the series in 5 games. Lakers lost by 4 points in Game 2 in which Wilt shot 1-9 from the freethrow line. Wilt put up 5 points in Game 3 which the Lakers lost by 4 points again. In the Game 5, Wilt shot 5-14 from the freethrow line. This capped off Wilt's 5th series loss with HCA to end his career.
Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 14-38 (36.8%)
[B]1970 NBA Finals[/B]
Another Game 7 loss for the Lakers. Wilt shot 1-10 from the freethrow in a Game 1 loss. In game 7, Wilt shot 11 freethrow attempts, only making 1.
Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 23-67 (34.3%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 1-11 (9.1%)
[B]1969 NBA Finals[/B]
Lakers had HCA and were up 2-0 in the series and also 3-2 after Game 5. Lakers managed to lose the next 2 games including a 2 point loss in Game 7 in which Wilt missed 9 freethrows (4-13) while Jerry West put up 42-13-12 and won Finals MVP. Wilt shot 1-5 from the filed and missed 8 freethrows in a Game 6 loss and 1-5 from the field in game 2. Boston Celtic Sam Jones outscored Wilt Chamberlain in all 4 Game 7s.
Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 24-66 (36.4%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 4-13 (30.8%)
[B]1968 Divisional Finals[/B]
Another HCA series loss for Wilt. Wilt shot 6-21 from the field and missed 15 freethrows in a Game 6 loss. In Game 7, Wilt made 4 field goals and missed 9 freethrows in a 4 point loss. Wilt was the 9th leading scorer and the 5th leading scorer on his own team in that game 7 with 14 points
Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 39-91 (42.9%)
Wilt FT shooting in Game 7: 6-15 (40.0%)
[B]1966 Divisional Finals[/B]
His Sixers lost to Boston in 5 games. In the elimination Game 5, Wilt missed 17 freethrows (8-25) in a 8 point loss.
Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-68 (41.2%)
[B]1965 Divisional Finals[/B]
Wilt shot 7-21 from the field in a Game 3 loss. The Sixers lost by 1 point in Game 7, Wilt missed 7 freethrows (6-13) in that game. Wilt was once again outscored by Sam Jones in a Game 7.
[B]1964 NBA Finals[/B]
His team lost the series in 5 games. Wilt shot 4-12 from the freethrow line in a Game 1 loss.
Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)
[B]1962 Divisional Finals[/B]
Coming off his 50.4 ppg season, his PPG in the Playoffs dropped down by 15 points. In Game 7, Wilt was the 4th leading scorer with 22 points in a loss.
Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)[/QUOTE]
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Re: Game 7 Performances by All-Time Greats
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]...................................
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Let's take a look at your boy Kobe then, shall we, in his biggest games at the end of his seasons...
Last game of his '98 season. His team loses in a sweeping loss, 96-92, in a game in which he scores SIX points. Geez, he couldn't even score a paltry five more points?
Last game of the '99 season. His Lakers are again SWEPT, losing game four 118-107, in a game in which he shoots 6-16, and scores 16 points. Had he hit just five more shots, well, they would have then lost in game five with another horrible shooting game by Kobe.
Last game of the '03 season. Wait, in the game before, a 96-94 loss, Kobe misses SIXTEEN shots from the field, and even goes 1-2 from the line. However, he saved the best for the last game of that series. In a [B]110-82 [/B]loss (which would be one of SEVERAL huge blowout losses in clinching games), Kobe goes 9-19 from the field.
Last game of the '04 season. His heavily favored Lakers fall behind 82-59 at the end of the third quarter, en route to a 100-87 loss, in a game in which Kobe shot 7-21 from the field, and an awful .[B]387 for the SERIES[/B].
Didn't make the playoffs in '05, playing for a 34-48 team.
Last game of the '06 season. In a season in which Kobe averaged 35.4 ppg, he scores 24 points in the [B]clinching game seven crushing loss, 121-90[/B]. Not only that, but he leads his team down the drain after taking a 3-1 series lead in that series.
Last game of the '07 season. In the clinching game five loss, Kobe goes 13-33, in a 9 point loss.
Last game of the '08 season. Well, let's begin with a classic loss in game four. Kobe shoots 6-19, in a game in which the Lakers lose by six points, after [B]blowing a 24 point third period lead[/B]. He tops that performance in the clinching game six, [B]131-92 loss[/B], he shoots 7-22 from the floor.
Last game in the '11 season. His FAVORED Lakers are SWEPT, in a humilating fashion, losing in yet ANOTHER clinching game blowout loss, [B]122-86[/B]. Kobe once again goes quietly like a lamb to slaughter with a 7-18 performance.
Last game of the '12 season. Kobe FINALLY has a [B]"[COLOR="DarkRed"]Wilt-like[/COLOR]" game, scoring 42 points, on 18-33 shooting,[/B] but alas, and much like Chamberlain had to deal with nearly his entire post-season career, Kobe's teammates completely crumble, and the Lakers are pounded in yet another series clinching loss, 116-90, in a five game series.
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[QUOTE=jlauber]Let's take a look at your boy Kobe then, shall we, in his biggest games at the end of his seasons...
Last game of his '98 season. His team loses in a sweeping loss, 96-92, in a game in which he scores SIX points. Geez, he couldn't even score a paltry five more points?
[/quote]
19 years old and was not a starter yet
[QUOTE]Last game of the '99 season. His Lakers are again SWEPT, losing game four 118-107, in a game in which he shoots 6-16, and scores 16 points. Had he hit just five more shots, well, they would have then lost in game five with another horrible shooting game by Kobe.[/QUOTE]
Bad game from him
[QUOTE]Last game of the '03 season. Wait, in the game before, a 96-94 loss, Kobe misses SIXTEEN shots from the field, and even goes 1-2 from the line. However, he saved the best for the last game of that series. In a [B]110-82 [/B]loss (which would be one of SEVERAL huge blowout losses in clinching games), Kobe goes 9-19 from the field.[/QUOTE]
He just helped the Lakers win back to back to back Championships. More championships than Wilt won in his entire career already at age 23.
Go back and watch that Game 5, he led the comeback by dominating the 4th quarter and on the last possession passed it to a open Horry who missed the potential GW. Great 4th Quarter and the right play at the end. Not choking.
[QUOTE]Last game of the '04 season. His heavily favored Lakers fall behind 82-59 at the end of the third quarter, en route to a 100-87 loss, in a game in which Kobe shot 7-21 from the field, and an awful .[B]387 for the SERIES[/B].[/QUOTE]
Yes it is known he was horrible that series.
[QUOTE]Didn't make the playoffs in '05, playing for a 34-48 team.[/QUOTE]
Wasn't his fault
[QUOTE]Last game of the '06 season. In a season in which Kobe averaged 35.4 ppg, he scores 24 points in the [B]clinching game seven crushing loss, 121-90[/B]. Not only that, but he leads his team down the drain after taking a 3-1 series lead in that series.[/QUOTE]
Had 21 points at halftime, yet team was down by 15. His team just wasn't good enough, don't even want to list that roster.
[QUOTE]Last game of the '07 season. In the clinching game five loss, Kobe goes 13-33, in a 9 point loss.[/QUOTE]
The only game they won in that series is when he dropped 45 points. Phoenix was clearly better than the 7th seeded Lakers. And maybe if it were not for the suspensions, The Suns win it all that year.
[QUOTE]Last game of the '08 season. Well, let's begin with a classic loss in game four. Kobe shoots 6-19, in a game in which the Lakers lose by six points, after [B]blowing a 24 point third period lead[/B].[/QUOTE] One of the rare Kobe chokes in his career.
[QUOTE]He tops that performance in the clinching game six, [B]131-92 loss[/B], he shoots 7-22 from the floor.[/QUOTE]
Game wasn't even close from the start, stats don't even matter in that game.
[QUOTE]Last game in the '11 season. His FAVORED Lakers are SWEPT, in a humilating fashion, losing in yet ANOTHER clinching game blowout loss, [B]122-86[/B]. Kobe once again goes quietly like a lamb to slaughter with a 7-18 performance.[/QUOTE]
Go back and watch that game, I remember that well. I believe that Kobe had more made FGs than the rest of his team combined at hafltime, his team was down by atleast 18. Did I forget to mention that he just led his team to back to back championships, you know as much as Wilt did his entire career.
[quote]Last game of the '12 season. Kobe FINALLY has a [B]"[COLOR="DarkRed"]Wilt-like[/COLOR]" game, scoring 42 points, on 18-33 shooting,[/B] but alas, and much like Chamberlain had to deal with nearly his entire post-season career, Kobe's teammates completely crumble, and the Lakers are pounded in yet another series clinching loss, 116-90, in a five game series.[/QUOTE]
Wilt did not perform like that in Game 7s. Don't kid yourself. 9+ missed freethrows in a 1-2 point loss or scoring less than half your regular season PPG average is more like Wilt-like.
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[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]19 years old and was not a starter yet
Bad game from him
He just helped the Lakers win back to back to back Championships. More championships than Wilt won in his entire career already at age 23.
Go back and watch that Game 5, he led the comeback by dominating the 4th quarter and on the last possession passed it to a open Horry who missed the potential GW. Great 4th Quarter and the right play at the end. Not choking.
Yes it is known he was horrible that series.
Wasn't his fault
Had 21 points at halftime, yet team was down by 15. His team just wasn't good enough, don't even want to list that roster.
The only game they won in that series is when he dropped 45 points. Phoenix was clearly better than the 7th seeded Lakers. And maybe if it were not for the suspensions, The Suns win it all that year.
One of the rare Kobe chokes in his career.
Game wasn't even close from the start, stats don't even matter in that game.
Go back and watch that game, I remember that well. I believe that Kobe had more made FGs than the rest of his team combined at hafltime, his team was down by atleast 18. Did I forget to mention that he just led his team to back to back championships, you know as much as Wilt did his entire career.
Wilt did not perform like that in Game 7s. Don't kid yourself. 9+ missed freethrows in a 1-2 point loss or scoring less than half your regular season PPG average is more like Wilt-like.[/QUOTE]
Excuse-after-excuse. But NEVER any for Wilt, though, right?
Chamberlain takes crappy rosters and/or good rosters that play crappy in the post-season, to 12 Conference Finals, and to six Finals, and plays brilliantly in nearly all of them, and his team's lose four game seven's by a total of nine points.
As proven above, Kobe plays like sh!t in the vast majority of his last playoff games, and most all of which are blowout losses.
And even in his game seven wins he shot like a blindman in a wind-tunnel. In Game seven of the 2000 WCF's, he shot 9-19. In game seven of the 2002 WCF's, he shot 10-26. And we all know he shot 6-24 in game seven of the 2010 Finals.
As for Wilt. No game seven's of 40+, but a game five, in a best-of-five series, of 56 points and 35 rebounds. And a game three, in a best-of-three series, of 53 points and 22 rebounds. He also had a "must-win" game six in the 60 ECF's of 50 points and 35 rebounds(against Russell, no less); a game seven in the '65 ECF's of 30 points, 32 rebounds, and on 12-15 shooting; a "must-win" game five in the '66 ECF's (against Russell) of 46 points and 34 rebounds. And a "must-win" game six of the '70 Finals (and on one leg), of 45 points, on 20-27 shooting, with 27 rebounds.
Re: Game 7 Performances by All-Time Greats
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]I'm slowly adding them all, don't worry. :cheers:[/QUOTE]
I now see you are all doing ALL game 7 performances, not just great game 7 performances. I misunderstood what you were asking for.
That's why I was wondering about this one.
[QUOTE]Originally Posted by Deuce Bigalow
1992 Eastern Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Larry Bird: 12 pts, 5 reb, 4 ast, 0 stl, 0 blk, 2 tov, 6-9 FG, 0-0 3PT, 0-0 FT (L)[/QUOTE]