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Nick Young 08-03-2011 10:29 AM

The NBA Statistics of the Great Vassilis Spanoulis: Europe's best player
 
These are the NBA statistics of the great Vassilis Spanoulis, whom many regard as currently one of if not the greatest guards playing in Europe at the moment.

Take a moment to appreciate his greatness first hand, he came over in the 2006/2007 season and, coached by the intelligent Jeff Van Gundy and playing alongside the great tandem of Yao Ming and Tracy McGrady, lead his team to a first round exit.

Look upon the numbers of greatness:

PPG: 2.7
APG: .9
FG%: 31.9
3FG%: 17.2
TO per game: 0.9

If you project him per 36 minutes however he averages
PPG: 11.3
APG: 3.7
TO: 3.8
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...spanova01.html

Whoa I can't believe that rockets team underachieved like it did. Spanoulis was truly a forgotten NBA great and the whole league missed his presence when he returned the Greece the following year to instantly reclaim his status as best player in Europe. I think that Deron Williams and Sunny Weams will struggle to assert their dominance in Europe like Spanoulis does on a nightly basis.



Check out the best highlight of his NBA career!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EGic7L_Ciw
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Nick Young 08-03-2011 11:10 AM

Re: The NBA Statistics of the Great Vassilis Spanoulis: Europe's best player
 
highlights of the best NBA game spanoulis ever played
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWl-JHATnP4

:bowdown: :bowdown:

Catastrophique 08-03-2011 01:42 PM

Re: The NBA Statistics of the Great Vassilis Spanoulis: Europe's best player
 
Ok. Let's play. At least until Lakas no Links shows up. And even though Spanoulis if far from being the best player in Europe.

Let's travel the opposite way:

Gary Neal's stats in the NBA:
9.8 ppg, 1.2 apg, 2.5 rpg with a pretty decent 0.42 3p%

Gary Neal's stats in Europe:
ACB:
6.4 ppg, 0.5 apg, 1.5 rpg with a so-so 0.35 3p%
http://www.acb.com/stsacumjug.php?cod_jugador=BFB
Euroleague:
7 freakin' games, 2.3 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 0.00 apg, 0.12 3p%


Serge Ibaka:
NBA: 8.2 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 0.2 apg
ACB: 7.1 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.2 apg
http://www.acb.com/stsacumjug.php?cod_jugador=Y8A

And A LONG TIME AGO, when European basketball was still a hundred miles away from NBA -not that today they are at the same height, of course, but they're definitely quite closer-:

Dominique Wilkins (does the name ring a bell)
95-96 (35-36 years old) 20.9 ppg, 7.0 playing in Greece.
96-97 (one year older) 18.2 ppg, 6.4 rpg in the NBA.
Using your logic, there was not that much of a difference between both brands of basketball back then; we could even argue that having a pretty good Nique (not prime but still good) allowed Panathinaikos to barely win Euroleague title 67-66 against Barcelona in a thriller of a final.

Does that "statistical dominiquian proof" mean anything? Hell no, the difference between NBA and Europe was abysmal back then.


So what does it mean?
It means you can't use individual stats to judge how good or how bad are two compeltely different leagues, even if it is to mock your old friend Euroleague from Arkansas.

That's all, kids.

Nick Young 08-03-2011 01:48 PM

Re: The NBA Statistics of the Great Vassilis Spanoulis: Europe's best player
 
In Europe, 9 ppg is pretty much equal to 17 ppg in the NBA. So Neal and Ibaka had an easier time in Europe.

Just like Melo gets 18 ppg in FIBA but is a 28 ppg NBA scorer

Just like Old Nique went and dominated Euroleague.

Except for Spanoulis, he is a beast in both leagues.

artificial 08-03-2011 02:01 PM

Re: The NBA Statistics of the Great Vassilis Spanoulis: Europe's best player
 
Euroleague is an idiot, but that's no reason to hate on V-Span or european basketball. You should know better than that.


Heck, if having idiot homers was a reason to be dissed, Kobe and Lebron would have... oh, wait.

Catastrophique 08-03-2011 02:36 PM

Re: The NBA Statistics of the Great Vassilis Spanoulis: Europe's best player
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Young
In Europe, 9 ppg is pretty much equal to 17 ppg in the NBA. So Neal and Ibaka had an easier time in Europe.

Just like Melo gets 18 ppg in FIBA but is a 28 ppg NBA scorer

Just like Old Nique went and dominated Euroleague.

Except for Spanoulis, he is a beast in both leagues.


And what mathematical equation did you use?

So Rudy Fernández will score 28 ppg in the NBA, right?

Oh wait...

iamgine 08-03-2011 02:45 PM

Re: The NBA Statistics of the Great Vassilis Spanoulis: Europe's best player
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Catastrophique
Ok. Let's play. At least until Lakas no Links shows up. And even though Spanoulis if far from being the best player in Europe.

Let's travel the opposite way:

Gary Neal's stats in the NBA:
9.8 ppg, 1.2 apg, 2.5 rpg with a pretty decent 0.42 3p%

Gary Neal's stats in Europe:
ACB:
6.4 ppg, 0.5 apg, 1.5 rpg with a so-so 0.35 3p%
http://www.acb.com/stsacumjug.php?cod_jugador=BFB
Euroleague:
7 freakin' games, 2.3 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 0.00 apg, 0.12 3p%


Serge Ibaka:
NBA: 8.2 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 0.2 apg
ACB: 7.1 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.2 apg
http://www.acb.com/stsacumjug.php?cod_jugador=Y8A

And A LONG TIME AGO, when European basketball was still a hundred miles away from NBA -not that today they are at the same height, of course, but they're definitely quite closer-:

Dominique Wilkins (does the name ring a bell)
95-96 (35-36 years old) 20.9 ppg, 7.0 playing in Greece.
96-97 (one year older) 18.2 ppg, 6.4 rpg in the NBA.
Using your logic, there was not that much of a difference between both brands of basketball back then; we could even argue that having a pretty good Nique (not prime but still good) allowed Panathinaikos to barely win Euroleague title 67-66 against Barcelona in a thriller of a final.

Does that "statistical dominiquian proof" mean anything? Hell no, the difference between NBA and Europe was abysmal back then.


So what does it mean?
It means you can't use individual stats to judge how good or how bad are two compeltely different leagues, even if it is to mock your old friend Euroleague from Arkansas.

That's all, kids.

Can the minutes also be compared?

Catastrophique 08-03-2011 02:55 PM

Re: The NBA Statistics of the Great Vassilis Spanoulis: Europe's best player
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by iamgine
Can the minutes also be compared?


Hey, I was just using demagogy to show how absurd some comparations are.

Of course I didn't use minutes. They were not useful to my simulation. Demagogy, you know.

Hell, even if they played less minutes in Europe (I'm not in the mood to look it up now, maybe later) we could twist it to say that they didn't play as many minutes as in the NBA because they were not good enough to deserve them. Or some other crap.

Nick Young 09-01-2011 02:24 PM

Re: The NBA Statistics of the Great Vassilis Spanoulis: Europe's best player
 

:bowdown:

Droid101 09-01-2011 02:34 PM

Re: The NBA Statistics of the Great Vassilis Spanoulis: Europe's best player
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Catastrophique
Hey, I was just using demagogy to show how absurd some comparations are.

Of course I didn't use minutes. They were not useful to my simulation. Demagogy, you know.

Hell, even if they played less minutes in Europe (I'm not in the mood to look it up now, maybe later) we could twist it to say that they didn't play as many minutes as in the NBA because they were not good enough to deserve them. Or some other crap.

Dude, don't even try with this shit.

Look up Sabonis' NBA stats the year before he went back to Europe, then look at his Euroleague stats. He went from a broken stiff in the NBA to MVP of the league back in Europe.

Check out Luis Scola's stats in the NBA vs Euroleague. Guy is a solid player in the NBA, and a Field Goal Percentage GOD in Euroleague.

Be real real.

Euroleague 09-01-2011 02:35 PM

Re: The NBA Statistics of the Great Vassilis Spanoulis: Europe's best player
 
Gary Neal averaged 2.3 points per game in Euroleague.

Dominique did not win the Greek Championship. He lost it. That is a myth spread by American NBA only fans that he won it.

In fact, Dominique's team lost 3-2 in the Greek Finals and the MVP of the Greek League was a guy named Georgios Sigalas. Not Dominique Wilkins.

In the 96 Euroleague final, the refs made a mistake with the shot clock and gifted Dominque's team an unfair and illegal victory. To this day it is the most controversial Euroleague final in history.

As many as 90% of European basketball fans in a recent poll said that the final was rigged by the refs and that Barca won the game.

In youtube, American NBA only fans have not only erased this with clever editing, but they also edited it to look like Wilkins hit the game winning shot. Disgraceful.

However, the real versions are also available, which show the refs rigging the game. So actually, Wilkins won a rigged Euroleague final, lost the Greek League, and was beaten out for the Greek League by MVP award by Georgios Sigalas.

He then returned to the NBA and averaged 18 points a game after that.

Theoo's Daddy 09-01-2011 02:41 PM

Re: The NBA Statistics of the Great Vassilis Spanoulis: Europe's best player
 
i've noticed that greek players get overrated in this forum..

Droid101 09-01-2011 02:41 PM

Re: The NBA Statistics of the Great Vassilis Spanoulis: Europe's best player
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Euroleague
Gary Neal averaged 2.3 points per game in Euroleague.

Dominique did not win the Greek Championship. He lost it. That is a myth spread by American NBA only fans that he won it.

In fact, Dominique's team lost 3-2 in the Greek Finals and the MVP of the Greek League was a guy named Georgios Sigalas. Not Dominique Wilkins

1995–1996


The expectations in the team had now risen a lot, as it was imperative for Panathinaikos to obtain a significant title. In the summer of 1995, they acquired Dominique Wilkins, one of the top American players playing in Europe. The coach of the team was Božidar Maljković. The former along with Giannakis, Vranković, Alvertis and Patavoukas comprised a very experienced team, which, in 1996, managed an unprecedented success for Greek basketball. Indeed, in April 1996, at the Paris Final Four, Panathinaikos became the first Greek team to lift the European Championships (now called the Euroleague), beating FC Barcelona in a unique tournament final, by a score of 67–66. Back in Greece, right after the big win in Paris, the exit of Dominique Wilkins in the league final led to the loss of a championship from Olympiakos with 35 points difference.

So, you are lying again. They lost to Olympiakos AFTER 'Nique left. They won Euroleague (first Greek team ever to do so) with him there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panathi...5.E2.80.931996

Here's some more:
Unhappy with his role on a rebuilding Celtics team, Wilkins signed to play for Panathinaikos of the Greek League. He averaged 20.9 points and 7.0 rebounds for Panathinaikos and led the team to the Euroleague title in 1996 alongside teammates Fragiskos Alvertis, Stojan Vranković and Panagiotis Giannakis. During the Final Four that was held in Paris he had 35 points and 8 rebounds in the semifinal against CSKA and a double-double with 16 points and 10 rebounds against Barcelona in the final. His performances earned him the Final Four MVP award. He also won the Greek Cup with Panathinaikos and was named the MVP of the Final.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_Wilkins


Edit: You changed your post from "Dominique didn't win" to "The refs cheated" as you usually do when you run out of arguments.

It's pointless talking to you.

G-train 09-01-2011 02:42 PM

Re: The NBA Statistics of the Great Vassilis Spanoulis: Europe's best player
 
2 different games, cant compare stats either way.

Euroleague 09-01-2011 02:44 PM

Re: The NBA Statistics of the Great Vassilis Spanoulis: Europe's best player
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Droid101
Dude, don't even try with this shit.

Look up Sabonis' NBA stats the year before he went back to Europe, then look at his Euroleague stats. He went from a broken stiff in the NBA to MVP of the league back in Europe.

Check out Luis Scola's stats in the NBA vs Euroleague. Guy is a solid player in the NBA, and a Field Goal Percentage GOD in Euroleague.

Be real real.


Sabonis was not MVP of Euroleague. Why do you lie so much all the time?

He was MVP of stages of the season. The award does not even exist anymore because it was not even a real award. Once Euroleague realized people in the USA actually took it as a season MVP award they cancelled it.

Because idiots like you could not even grasp it was just for a month of the season.

The actual MVP of Euroleague was never anyone named Sabonis. The actual MVP of Euroleague award did not even exist until after Sabonis was retired. But of course little things like facts do not matter to you.

Do you think it makes you look cute to just throw around all these lies all the time and pass them off as facts?


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