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Scottie Pippen: Underrated/Overrated?
Or do you feel he is rated where he should be? I have seen a lot of posters say he doesn't get his due for the Bulls' success. Even one (retard) going as far as saying he was better than Magic/Bird. And some hardcore Jordan worshipers say that Jordan made him the player he was. Which side you you lean on?
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Re: Scottie Pippen: Underrated/Overrated?
Underrated. Top 25 player of all-time. People say Wade is better than Scottie. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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He's either overrated or underrated depending on who's making the argument. Kobe stans will overrate him like he's a top 10 GOAT player in order to diminish Jordan. Jordan stans will underrate him to make it seem like Jordan won 6 titles by himself.
Realistically, he's a top 30 player, top 10 GOAT SF, top 10 90's player and an extremely important piece of the Bulls dynasty.
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[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]Or do you feel he is rated where he should be?[/QUOTE]
That depends on exactly where that is. Definitely top 50 all-time, imo, and in the conversation as the best perimeter defender ever.
High bb IQ, great intangibles, willing to do the dirty work, didn't need the ball to be effective...
His two downfall areas were his deficiencies on offense, and that he's a beta, rather than an alpha.
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[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]Or do you feel he is rated where he should be? I have seen a lot of posters say he doesn't get his due for the Bulls' success. Even one (retard) going as far as saying he was better than Magic/Bird. And some hardcore Jordan worshipers say that Jordan made him the player he was. Which side you you lean on?[/QUOTE]
Is that exactly what I said? Or are you lying? It seems as if some of you morons get a rise out of exaggerating the truth. Then when confronted, run like a little scared bitch.
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[QUOTE=Shepseskaf]That depends on exactly where that is. Definitely top 50 all-time, imo, and in the conversation as the best perimeter defender ever.
High bb IQ, great intangibles, willing to do the dirty work, didn't need the ball to be effective...
His two downfall areas were his deficiencies on offense, and that he's a beta, rather than an alpha.[/QUOTE]
He was a franchise player that never got the chance to see how far he could go leading a talented team. Some people will try to say he failed as a leader cuz he didnt win in 00. But he was 34/35 years old.
The fact is he gets held to a standard a lot of players dont have to meet.
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Rated correctly, top 50 player all time, top 5 SF.
Great player.
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[QUOTE=longhornfan1234]Underrated. Top 25 player of all-time. People say Wade is better than Scottie. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]
I dont see anything funny about that. Wade is clearly better player than Scottie.
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Underrated by casual fans, overrated by Jordan bashers and rated correctly by NBA experts and Bulls fans.
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[QUOTE=LEFT4DEAD]I dont see anything funny about that. Wade is clearly better player than Scottie.[/QUOTE]
Wades clearly a better scorer than Pippen. Thats as far as it goes. Defense, rebounding, teamwork, running an offense, passing, basically every other facet of basketball Pippen is better.
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[QUOTE=97 bulls]Wades clearly a better scorer than Pippen. Thats as far as it goes. Defense, rebounding, teamwork, running an offense, passing, basically every other facet of basketball Pippen is better.[/QUOTE]
pippen or lebron?
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top 10 player of the 90's
top 25 player all time
best small forward of his generation
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[QUOTE=Glide2keva]Underrated by casual fans, overrated by Jordan bashers and rated correctly by NBA experts and Bulls fans.[/QUOTE]
I've heard "NBA experts" saying "some people don't remember, but Pippen was the 2nd best player in the league for a few years when they were playing together". They referring to Jordan. Which is false.
Hes overrated. Particularly by NBA experts. Some of them talk as if he was a better player than Ewing, Clyde, Isiah, Barkley, etc.
Pippen was a great player, no doubt, but people remember him as far better than what he actually was due to his achievements in a team. Certain posters act as if he'd be a guaranteed lock for top 5 player in the league right now for most of his career, when in reality he'd be a fringe top 10-15 guy, like he was back in his day.
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[QUOTE=97 bulls]Wades clearly a better scorer than Pippen. Thats as far as it goes. Defense, rebounding, teamwork, running an offense, passing, basically every other facet of basketball Pippen is better.[/QUOTE]
Wades a better shooter, free throw shooter, passer, blocker, post player, playmaker, slasher, more clutch, consistent and more efficient.
Its not particularly close. Wades better. Melo is better. Durant is better.
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[QUOTE=plowking]Wades a better shooter, free throw shooter, passer, blocker, post player, playmaker, slasher, more clutch, consistent and more efficient.
Its not particularly close. Wades better. Melo is better. Durant is better.[/QUOTE]
You obviously dont watch basketball.
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[QUOTE=97 bulls]You obviously dont watch basketball.[/QUOTE]
Plowking has said what I wanted. I guess you can say that Pippen is better than Kobe too. Kobe has only scoring over him. Dumb logic you have there.
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[QUOTE=plowking]I've heard "NBA experts" saying "some people don't remember, but Pippen was the 2nd best player in the league for a few years when they were playing together". They referring to Jordan. Which is false.
Hes overrated. Particularly by NBA experts. Some of them talk as if he was a better player than [B]Ewing[/B],[B] Clyde[/B], Isiah, Barkley, etc.
Pippen was a great player, no doubt, but people remember him as far better than what he actually was due to his achievements in a team. Certain posters act as if he'd be a guaranteed lock for top 5 player in the league right now for most of his career, when in reality he'd be a fringe top 10-15 guy, like he was back in his day.[/QUOTE]
post like this make me think he's underrated.
He was the most well rounded player in the L at the time and was vital to the Bulls 3 peating twice.
how many other people have put up number like this IN THE FINALS while only getting 16-17 shots per game.
[B]91 finals: 21 9 7 2.5 on 45%
92 finals: 21 8 8 1.5 1 on 48%
93 finals: 21 9 8 2 1 on 45%[/B]
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[QUOTE=plowking]Wades a better shooter, free throw shooter, passer, blocker, post player, playmaker, slasher, more clutch, consistent and more efficient.
Its not particularly close. Wades better. Melo is better. Durant is better.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, save perhaps for Melo. The other two are clearly in a different league than Pippen. He has become extremely overrated by a small yet vocal contingent on this and other boards.
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[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]post like this make me think he's underrated.
He was the most well rounded player in the L at the time and was vital to the Bulls 3 peating twice.
how many other people have put up number like this IN THE FINALS while only getting 16-17 shots per game.
[B]91 finals: 21 9 7 2.5 on 45%
92 finals: 21 8 8 1.5 1 on 48%
93 finals: 21 9 8 2 1 on 45%[/B][/QUOTE]
As a comparison, Wade averaging 1 shot more, averaged 27/7/5 against the Mavericks shooting 55%. Along with 2 steals and 2 blocks a game.
You know Clyde averaged 26/8/6 in his first finals against Detroit right? On incredible 55% shooting. Clyde was a better player than Pippen. It was evident if you watched both at their peak. Go back and watch games from both.
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[QUOTE=97 bulls]You obviously dont watch basketball.[/QUOTE]
Scottie Pippen became my favorite player during his Portland years so I've collected hundreds of his Chicago games on DVD and computer downloads.
Wade is the better mid range shooter, free throw shooter, blocker, play maker, slasher, and clutch player like plowking states.
Pippen is the better passer, man defender, ball thief, 3-point shooter (he shoots more), and rebounder though. And he stays on the court more for what it's worth.
And no Melo is not better than Pippen...at least he's not shown it yet. Durant is someone I'll have over him though.
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[QUOTE=Jolokia]Scottie Pippen became my favorite player during his Portland years so I've collected hundreds of his Chicago games on DVD and computer downloads.
Wade is the better mid range shooter, free throw shooter, blocker, play maker, slasher, and clutch player like plowking states.
Pippen is the better passer, man defender, ball thief, 3-point shooter (he shoots more), and rebounder though. And he stays on the court more for what it's worth.
And no Melo is not better than Pippen...at least he's not shown it yet. Durant is someone I'll have over him though.[/QUOTE]
I disagree with Wade being a better playmaker, midrange, and clutch player. Wade has failed far more than he succeeded. And in situations where his teams shoukdve won. And you can exclude 06. I feel he was aided drastically by the Refs. So in your opinion, hiw is Wade more clutch?
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[QUOTE=plowking]As a comparison, Wade averaging 1 shot more, averaged 27/7/5 against the Mavericks shooting 55%. Along with 2 steals and 2 blocks a game.
You know Clyde averaged 26/8/6 in his first finals against Detroit right? On incredible 55% shooting. Clyde was a better player than Pippen. It was evident if you watched both at their peak. Go back and watch games from both.[/QUOTE]
Again, you dont know basketball. Are you taking into account what their role.was.ont the team? Or just looking at stats
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[QUOTE=97 bulls]Is that exactly what I said? Or are you lying? It seems as if some of you morons get a rise out of exaggerating the truth. Then when confronted, [B]run like a little scared bitch[/B].[/QUOTE]
No one is running away from some f.aggot that posts on an internet forum :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
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I think a little bit of both. The dude gets overlooked because he played with Jordan but at the same time, he was such a great player. Now, do I think he is good enough to STILL, today, be one of the top 50 players of all time? No. He is not a guy like Jordan, Shaq, LeBron, etc who could lead a team to the finals without another star. But he does get overlooked a lot and I feel his defense gets overlooked as well.
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[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]No one is running away from some f.aggot that posts on an internet forum :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Great. Then please acknowledge what I said exactly.
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[QUOTE=plowking]Wades a better shooter, free throw shooter, passer, blocker, post player, playmaker, slasher, more clutch, consistent and more efficient.
Its not particularly close. Wades better. Melo is better. Durant is better.[/QUOTE]
I would take Pippen over Melo.
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[QUOTE=plowking]I've heard "NBA experts" saying "some people don't remember, but Pippen was the 2nd best player in the league for a few years when they were playing together". They referring to Jordan. [B][SIZE="5"]Which is false. [/SIZE][/B]
Hes overrated. Particularly by NBA experts. Some of them talk as if he was a better player than Ewing, Clyde, Isiah, Barkley, etc.
Pippen was a great player, no doubt, but people remember him as far better than what he actually was due to his achievements in a team. Certain posters act as if he'd be a guaranteed lock for top 5 player in the league right now for most of his career, when in reality he'd be a fringe top 10-15 guy, like he was back in his day.[/QUOTE]
Da Fuq?...
- and it's 100% true....Pippen had a 5 year stretch of top 2 - 3 player in the NBA...
from 92' - 96' he was always referred as 2nd best allaround player in the League....
- his 92' and 93' seasons were some of the best basketball ever by anyone....his perimeter defense alone was unlike anything I ever seen.
- I would say he is vastly Overrated .....since MJ is so popular, many overlook Pippen....True Fans of basketball that watched him play....understand how valuable he was.
Jordan = .417 winning % without Pippen. ( 5 sub .500 seasons) 1/3rd of his career.....that alone says it all. [B]( not saying MJ wasn't a great player...but Pippen provided all the help he needed to make the Bull's a championship team)[/B]
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[QUOTE=jbryan1984]I think a little bit of both. The dude gets overlooked because he played with Jordan but at the same time, he was such a great player. Now, do I think he is good enough to STILL, today, be one of the top 50 players of all time? No. He is not a guy like Jordan, Shaq, LeBron, etc who could lead a team to the finals without another star. But he does get overlooked a lot and I feel his defense gets overlooked as well.[/QUOTE]
Lol come on. Neither Jordan or Shaq were able to get to the Finals without another star. And when James went in 07, the East sucked. This is exactly my point. Why hold certain players to a standard others dont have to meet?
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[QUOTE=jbryan1984]I think a little bit of both. The dude gets overlooked because he played with Jordan but at the same time, he was such a great player. Now, do I think he is good enough to STILL, today, be one of the top 50 players of all time? No. He is not a guy like Jordan, Shaq, LeBron, etc who could lead a team to the finals without another star. But he does get overlooked a lot and I feel his defense gets overlooked as well.[/QUOTE]
- Lebron is the only one on that list that went to the Finals without another "star"....
- Pippen nearly went to the Finals with BJ Armstrong as a 2nd option.( no slight to BJ...he was an allstar ....but MJ and Shaq had great teammates who were HOF'ers
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[QUOTE=97 bulls]Great. Then please acknowledge what I said exactly.[/QUOTE]
You said Pippen >>>Magic and Bird
:coleman:
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[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]I would take Pippen over Melo.[/QUOTE]
Pippen is the GOAT perimeter defender, was an MVP caliber player, and at least a top 5 player (and the best all-around player) and the best SF in his prime. 6 rings, 9 conference finals, and 16 consecutive years in the playoffs.
Melo got knocked out the first round 5 straight years before Chauncey came to Denver and ran the Nuggets offense.
Scottie could realistically put up 22-23 points a game...or 9 rebounds...or 8 assists and get DPOY talk. And play the point. And defend virtually anyone over 6' and quite a few guys in the 7 foot range.
Melo is clearly a better scorer..but its not like we have a history of him winning anything to suggest they would use it to a teams benefit more than a team could use Pippens more well rounded game. Melo can have his extra points, I'll take Scottie's playmaking and ability to run the offense as a 6'8" small forward as well as Scottie's superior IQ, superior rebounding and elite defense whether it be 1 on 1 defense vs several different positions or his excellent help defense.
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Was Pippen considered better than Clyde Drexler during those days?
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I would take Pippen over melo easy.
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Pippen is a 16 point per game scorer for his career. He is overrated.
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[QUOTE=iamgine]Was Pippen considered better than Clyde Drexler during those days?[/QUOTE]
After 92'........Clyde was considered a top 5 player as thee late 80's ushered into the 90's...
but a 92' onward Pippen was just proving to be a dominate 2 way player...and Clyde wasn't the same after MJ merked him.
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[QUOTE=iamgine]Was Pippen considered better than Clyde Drexler during those days?[/QUOTE]
Pippen and Clyde's primes didn't occur at the same time. Clyde in the early 90's was definitely viewed as better( remember he was MVP runner-up in 1992) but from 93 onwards I'd say no. The question is, is Pippen's best(94) better than Clyde's?(92). As an overall force, I'd say yes but Clyde was obviously a more dynamic offensive talent. Pippen had several years of 20+ points a game but the strength of his game was basically filling in the gaps of whatever the Bulls needed, and he succeeded in most/all aspects.
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I think he was underrated when he played, because Jordan completely overshadow him, but at this time he's been overrated by many to be one of the absolute greatest players of all time. Very different from when he played.
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I don't know if I'd build a franchise around him because he wasn't a great shot creator for himself but other than that and his ego issues I can't think of anything to criticize about his game. You could nitpick but really, Pip could do it all and was one of the best perimeter defenders ever.
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[QUOTE=Sarcastic]Pippen is a 16 point per game scorer for his career. He is overrated.[/QUOTE]
AND one of THE greatest perimeter defenders / playmakers ever.
Don't mind me, just correcting you. :cheers: