After months of rockets flying into Israel, Hamas military chief dead, fighting rises

[url]http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2012/11/15/03/01/hamas-commander-killed-in-israeli-strike[/url]

It's basically a war where both sides have decided collateral damage involving civilians dying is ok. It's also a war breaking out in the middle east where goals and sides are not that clearly defined. So we will have lots of people dying in order to....what?

:facepalm

The civilians could vote to have people lead them who aren't blood thirsty terrorists hellbent on Israeli destruction. No doubt that would help improve their situation.

dumsby's back :facepalm

Israel warned them about electing Hamas to be a part of their government and you knew this would ultimately happen. thing is the only way Hamas can fight Israel is hiding behind Palestinian innocents. Can't blame Israel for retaliating when their getting rockets launched into their territory....

[QUOTE=niko]It's basically a war where both sides have decided collateral damage involving civilians dying is ok. It's also a war breaking out in the middle east where goals and sides are not that clearly defined. So we will have lots of people dying in order to....what?

:facepalm[/QUOTE]

There is no reasoning with Islamic extremists. They want to kill Israelis simply because they are Israelis. I'm afraid this shit won't stop either.

The worst of it is that Palestinian and Israeli citizens will continue to bear the brunt of the losses in this conflict. Such a waste when two sides will never reason with each other, especially over matters of religion.

[QUOTE=Derka]The worst of it is that Palestinian and Israeli citizens will continue to bear the brunt of the losses in this conflict. Such a waste when two sides will never reason with each other, especially over matters of religion.[/QUOTE]
Israel wants to reason. Israel gives back land it conquers in Palestine as part of a counter-attack just to be nice. Israel wants peace negotiations. The civilians in israel want peace. The Palestinean people are bringing all this upon themselves purposefully.

All they had to do was not nominate Hamas, all they had to do was not democratically decide to not give a terrorist organization complete control of the state. The Palestinean civilians aren't completely innocent here, they pretty much chose their fate.

[QUOTE=millwad]Israel needs to stop acting like they want peace, so they want peace but still they allow settlements in Palestine and in territory that doesn't belong to them. Palestine has been occupied by Israel for decades, people like Nick-Young only use [B]Hamas as an excuse..[/B]

It doesn't matter who the palestinians will pick, stop fooling yourself. Prior to Hamas then, the Israeli occupation was still a fact then and it's not only due Hamas..[/QUOTE]
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People like you need to stop trying to sweep under the rug and ignore the fact that the "noble freedom fighting" state of Palestine is literally run by a terrorist organization that the people elected in to power democratically.

I'm talking about Israel giving land back in the past. Learn your history. Israel gets attacked. Israel counterattacks and advances on Cairo. Israel feels merciful and gives all the land back to Egypt and Palestine.

Educate yourself, sport.

[QUOTE=millwad]Listen, I am not supporting Hamas, but you're acting like the situation in Palestine is all due Hamas and the Israeli government is this peaceful and loving government and that they've never harmed anyone at all.

Hamas got elected in 2006, so you want to stick with this being a 6 year old issue and that Israel didn't occupy land that didn't belong to them prior to that? This conflict is decades old and so is the occupation by Israel.

And if anyone should get some education it's you, your garbage is just embarrassing and it's just silly how you try to label Israel as something they're not and that you think it's all about a 6 year old election when the problem is decades old and so is the illegal occupation.[/QUOTE]

Israel left the Gaza Strip and the West Bank in 2005.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel's_unilateral_disengagement_plan

You and people like you who continue to act like these Palestinian "freedom fighters" are only trying to defend their land from big bad Israel make me sick.

They elected Hamas, a terrorist organization, to govern them. In the past week they've launched hundreds of rockets at Israel and killed civilians including kids. And then when Israel responds you act like they are to blame?

Get real.

Netanyahu quote:

"The truth is that if Israel were to put down its arms there would be no more Israel. If the Arabs were to put down their arms there would be no more war."

This is the bottom line. These Muslims don't want peace with Israel, they want Israel nuked off the map. There is no reasoning with these people.

[QUOTE=millwad][B]Listen, I am not supporting Hamas, but you're acting like the situation in Palestine is all due Hamas and the Israeli government is this peaceful and loving government and that they've never harmed anyone at all. [/B]

Hamas got elected in 2006, so you want to stick with this being a 6 year old issue and that Israel didn't occupy land that didn't belong to them prior to that? This conflict is decades old and so is the occupation by Israel.

And if anyone should get some education it's you, your garbage is just embarrassing and it's just silly how you try to label Israel as something they're not and that you think it's all about a 6 year old election when the problem is decades old and so is the illegal occupation.[/QUOTE]
No I'm not. I never said that. You are just putting words into my mouth like you always do and making shit up.

Everytime there is peace or the conflict stops for a certain amount of time, Palestine does something violent against civilians to start it up again. It has been that way since the birth of modern Israel. Israel has never done anything as horrible and depraved as Black September in Munich. Israel doesn't send rockets aimed at Israeli schools and markets into Palestine every single day of the year like Palestine does to Israel.

Educate yourself sport. Look at the history of wars against modern Israel. Look at who fires the first shot, who makes the first attack, every single time. Look at reality.

Every single day Palestinean terrorists launch rockets aimed at Israeli civilians, often times they kill Israeli citizens but it just isn't publicized around the world. Israel launches a successful military attack against a Hamas terrorist leader, some civilians die in the process and suddenly Israel is an evil military civilian murdering evil bad bully fascist state of doom.

European press is biased against Israel, and it's creating a generation of European bozos like Millwad who don't know anything about the history of Israel and Palestine, who romanticize Palestine as a tragic ragged Rebel Alliance fighting against the Galactic Israeli empire.

Hamas is a terrorist organization that needs to be thwarted. When Osama Bin Laden was killed it was met with applause and joy, but when the IDF takes out Hamas main guy they are looked at as aggressors.

Keep in mind that 12,000 rockets were launched at civilian towns from Gaza since Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip a few years ago. There have been about 1000 this year, and over 130 in the last 3 days.

[QUOTE=SCdac]Hamas is a terrorist organization that needs to be thwarted. When Osama Bin Laden was killed it was met with applause and joy, but when the IDF takes out Hamas main guy they are looked at as aggressors.
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Keep in mind that 12,000 rockets were launched at civilian towns from Gaza since Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip a few years ago. There have been about 1000 this year, and over 130 in the last 3 days.[/B][/QUOTE]
Exactly. Clowns like Millwad just keep brushing this shit under the rug, pretending it never happened, or worse, try to justify it:facepalm

[QUOTE=millwad]Oh, "clowns like Millwad" but still you don't seem to realize how the number of hurt or killed israelis and palestinians look like.

All the attacks from Palestine the whole year of 2012 resulted in less deaths than palestinians who died in the attacks which Dunksby posted.about.

And you clown, I don't try to justify shit, go and kill yourself you sucker.[/QUOTE]
Every post you have made in this thread has been you trying to justify Palestinian terrorism.

[QUOTE=millwad]

Read what you're writing, first you justified the horrible living situation for palestinians in Palestine due Hamas being elected but Hamas got elected in 2006 and this has been an on-going occupation for decades.[/QUOTE]
You don't know anything about history. You are just blindly parroting what the European press says while refusing to look at history.

If you did, you would know that in the 90s, after the PLO finally agreed to a peace treaty with Israel, things were going pretty good for Palestine. In the Camp David summit, Ehud Barak offered Palestine 92% of the west bank, the whole gaza strip, and half of Jerusalem to be the Palestinean capitol. All this in exchange for one thing-PEACE.
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PALESTINE REJECTED THIS AND STARTED FIRING ROCKETS AND SENDING SUICIDE BOMBERS AT ISRAELI CIVILIANS SHORTLY AFTER.[/B]
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

There is no reason to feel sympathy for people who are purposefully sabotaging their own standard of living and happiness in order to gain international sympathy.