Dirk has played alongside 6 all stars, Lebron has had 11, Duncan 13, Kobe 15

[QUOTE=MellowYellow]going down the line
kidd = billups
terry > jr
nene > dampier
k-mart = bass
barea > anthony carter
howard = andersen
antoine wright > dahntay jones[/QUOTE]

jr. smith series against mavs: 16.6 pts/3.4 reb/3.4 ass/1.5 stl on 50/38/68

Jason terry series agains nuggets: 15.2 pts/3.2 reb/2.4 ass/0.6 stls on 39/36/73

Kidd series agains nuggets: 12.8 pts/ 5.6reb/6.2 ass on 50/45/75

billups series aainst mavs: 21.6 pts/ 3.6 reb/ 7.2 ass on 50/43/90


edit: Josh howard shot 38% in that series as well

[QUOTE=pastis]jr. smith series against mavs: 16.6 pts/3.4 reb/3.4 ass/1.5 stl on 50/38/68

Jason terry series agains nuggets: 15.2 pts/3.2 reb/2.4 ass/0.6 stls on 39/36/73[/QUOTE]
ok Jr had a better series, but talent wise at that time they were very similar. Most would put 09 jet over 09 jr smith.

[QUOTE=MellowYellow]ok Jr had a better series, but talent wise at that time they were very similar.[/QUOTE]


look at kidd vs billups

That isn't debatable . Dirk had far worse supporting cast than those guys .

[QUOTE=MellowYellow]ok Jr had a better series, but talent wise at that time they were very similar. Most would put 09 jet over 09 jr smith.[/QUOTE]


terry is one of the worst wing defenders in his era. jr smith is 10x the defender terry ever was

[QUOTE=pastis]terry is one of the worst wing defenders in his era. jr smith is 10x the defender terry ever was[/QUOTE]
He is a 6th man, you don't need defense as a 6th man you need to fill it up. And Terry did that better than JR that year other than in that series.

But lets move on to recent rosters
13 -14 knicks
JR Smith 14/4/3 on 39%
Raymond Felton 10/6 on 39% (horrible d)
Tyson 9/10 on 59% injured for 6 weeks
Bargs 13/5 on 44% injured half the season (horrible d)
Amare 12/5 on 56% (horrible d)
Iman 7/4 on 38%

13-14 mavs
monta 19/6/4 on 45%
Jose 11/5 on 46% (horrible d)
Marion 10/7 on 48%
vince 12/3/3 on 41%
dalembert 12/12 on 57%
Wright 9/4 on 68%

[QUOTE=MellowYellow]But lets move on to recent rosters
13 -14 knicks
JR Smith 14/4/3 on 39%
Raymond Felton 10/6 on 39% (horrible d)
Tyson 9/10 on 59% injured for 6 weeks
Bargs 13/5 on 44% injured half the season (horrible d)
Amare 12/5 on 56% (horrible d)
Iman 7/4 on 38%

13-14 mavs
monta 19/6/4 on 45%
Jose 11/5 on 46% (horrible d)
Marion 12/7 on 48%
vince 12/3/3 on 41%
dalembert 12/12 on 57%
Wright 9/4 on 68%[/QUOTE]

marion, and especially monta and vince played horrible d as well. every statistic proves it from this year. marion was 2 month later in cleveland and barely played, because he sucked. marion was a pathetic defender the last couple of years. saying that, marion was one of the best defenders dirk played along with. never got any all-defense selection...what about camby and melo? what about chandler and melo?
dirk had a 50/40/90 season at 36 years old. reached the 8th place in the wild west.


and didnt you get the "mighty" dalembert the year after? what did you reach with him?

@mellowyellow: i posted at page 2 all significant raw and advanced stats. you just find all time greats. where is carmelo?

[QUOTE=pastis]marion, and especially monta and vince played horrible d as well. every statistic proves it from this year. marion was 2 month later in cleveland and barely played, because he sucked. marion was a pathetic defender the last couple of years. saying that, marion was one of the best defenders dirk played along with. never got any all-defense selection...what about camby and melo? what about chandler and melo?
dirk had a 50/40/90 season at 36 years old. reached the 8th place in the wild west.


and didnt you get the "mighty" dalembert the year after? what did you reach with him?

@mellowyellow: i posted at page 2 all significant raw and advanced stats. you just find all time greats. where is carmelo?[/QUOTE]
Monta was their best player dirk was a good 1b, it would be nice if the Knicks could get good players before they die. Amare handcuffed the Knicks and that's on management. Chandler was ok but his best years was 2011 with mavs. He regressed a lot and he isn't much of an option on offense.

[QUOTE=MellowYellow]Monta was their best player dirk was a good 1b, it would be nice if the Knicks could get good players before they die. Amare handcuffed the Knicks and that's on management. Chandler was ok but his best years was 2011 with mavs. He regressed a lot and he isn't much of an option on offense.[/QUOTE]

And IDK but their isn't really much difference between the 2.

Melo 25/6.6/3.1 on 45%
Dirk 22/7.9/2.6 on 47%

[QUOTE=MellowYellow][B]Monta was their best player dirk was a good 1b[/B], it would be nice if the Knicks could get good players before they die. Amare handcuffed the Knicks and that's on management. Chandler was ok but his best years was 2011 with mavs. He regressed a lot and he isn't much of an option on offense.[/QUOTE]

Dirk Nowitzki 2013/2014: 50/40/90 with 21.7 points, 6.8 reb, 23.6 PER

Monta Ellis 2013/2014: 45/33/78 with 19 points, 5 ass on 16.8 PER

do ou know that everything you say is bullshit?

[QUOTE=MellowYellow]And IDK but their isn't really much difference between the 2.

Melo 25/6.6/3.1 on 45%
Dirk 22/7.9/2.6 on 47%[/QUOTE]


[B]@ MellowYellow: where is carmelo?[/B]

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[b]win shares career leader[/b] ([url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/...ws_career.html[/url])

Rank Player WS
1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 273.41
2. Wilt Chamberlain* 247.26
3. Karl Malone* 234.63
4. Michael Jordan* 214.02
5. John Stockton* 207.70
[b]6. Tim Duncan 204.79
7. Dirk Nowitzki 196.54
8. Kevin Garnett 191.50[/b]
9. Oscar Robertson* 189.21
10. LeBron James 187.33
11. Shaquille O'Neal 181.71
12. David Robinson* 178.67
13. Charles Barkley* 177.21
14. Reggie Miller* 174.40
[b]15. Kobe Bryant 172.73[/b]
16. Moses Malone* 167.07
17. Bill Russell* 163.51
18. Hakeem Olajuwon* 162.77
19. Jerry West* 162.58
20. Magic Johnson* 155.79
21. Paul Pierce 149.64
22. Robert Parish* 147.00
23. Larry Bird* 145.83
24. Gary Payton* 145.53
25. Ray Allen 145.08


Win Share per 48 minutes:



NBA
Rank Player WS/48
1. Michael Jordan* .2505
2. David Robinson* .2502
3. Wilt Chamberlain* .2480
[b]4. Chris Paul .2476[/b]
5. Neil Johnston* .2413
6. LeBron James .2396
7. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* .2284
8. Magic Johnson* .2249
9. Charles Barkley* .2163
10. Jerry West* .2134
11. Bob Pettit* .2128
[b]12. Kevin Durant .2122
13. Tim Duncan .2101[/b]
14. John Stockton* .2087
15. Shaquille O'Neal .2081
16. Oscar Robertson* .2069
17. Karl Malone* .2053
18. James Harden .2050
[b]19. Dirk Nowitzki .2035[/b]
[b]20. Larry Bird* .2032[/b]
21. Manu Ginobili .2016
22. Yao Ming .2001
23. Ed Macauley* .1964
[b]24. Stephen Curry .1929[/b]
25. Bill Russell* .1927
26. Dolph Schayes* .1922
27. Adrian Dantley* .1887
28. Sidney Moncrief .1873
29. Kevin Love .1838
30. Paul Arizin* .1833
31. Sam Jones* .1824
32. Harry Gallatin* .1824
[b]33. Kevin Garnett .1823[/b]
[b]34. Dwyane Wade .1807[/b]
35. Kevin McHale* .1802
36. Bailey Howell* .1799
37. Bill Sharman* .1782
38. George Yardley* .1780
39. Moses Malone* .1779
40. Julius Erving* .1778
41. Clyde Lovellette* .1777
42. Kevin Johnson .1777
43. Dan Issel* .1769
[b]44. Hakeem Olajuwon* .1767
45. Dwight Howard .1766[/b]
46. Walt Frazier* .1760
47. Reggie Miller* .1758
48. Chauncey Billups .1756
49. Bobby Jones .1752
50. Bob Lanier* .1751
51. Artis Gilmore* .1737
52. Clyde Drexler* .1734
[b]53. Kobe Bryant .1726[/b]
54. Larry Nance .1713
55. Vern Mikkelsen* .1699
[b]56. Pau Gasol .1696[/b]
57. Amar'e Stoudemire .1694

[b]defensive win shares career leader[/b] ([url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._career.html):[/url]

NBA
Rank Player DWS
1. Bill Russell* 133.64
[b]2. Tim Duncan 105.20[/b]
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 94.49
4. Hakeem Olajuwon* 94.47
5. Wilt Chamberlain* 93.92
6. Karl Malone* 92.41
[b]7. Kevin Garnett 91.52[/b]
8. Elvin Hayes* 83.65
9. Patrick Ewing* 81.42
10. David Robinson* 80.14
11. Jason Kidd 75.14
12. John Havlicek* 74.09
13. Robert Parish* 72.98
14. Ben Wallace 70.58
15. Dikembe Mutombo* 68.53
16. Scottie Pippen* 67.29
17. Shaquille O'Neal 66.36
18. John Stockton* 64.93
19. Michael Jordan* 64.13
20. Wes Unseld* 64.11
21. Charles Oakley 63.34
22. Paul Pierce 62.31
23. Nate Thurmond* 62.23
24. Buck Williams 61.79
25. Shawn Marion 61.27
26. Jack Sikma 60.69
27. Dwight Howard 59.66
28. Larry Bird* 59.03
29. LeBron James 57.14
30. Rasheed Wallace 57.12
[b]31. Dirk Nowitzki 56.89[/b]
32. Dolph Schayes* 56.15
33. Clifford Robinson 55.89
34. Dave Cowens* 55.83
35. Marcus Camby 54.89
36. Dennis Rodman* 54.46
37. Moses Malone* 54.36
38. Charles Barkley* 53.91
39. Vlade Divac 52.90
40. Shawn Kemp 52.17
41. Paul Silas 51.74
[b]42. Kobe Bryant 50.53[/b]


PER career leader ([url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/per_career.html[/url])

NBA
Rank Player PER
1. Michael Jordan* 27.91
2. LeBron James 27.61
3. Shaquille O'Neal 26.43
4. David Robinson* 26.18
5. Wilt Chamberlain* 26.13
6. Chris Paul 25.58
7. Bob Pettit* 25.35
8. Kevin Durant 24.92
[b]9. Dwyane Wade 24.81[/b]
10. Neil Johnston* 24.69
11. Charles Barkley* 24.63
12. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 24.58
[b]13. Tim Duncan 24.32[/b]
14. Magic Johnson* 24.11
15. Karl Malone* 23.90
16. Hakeem Olajuwon* 23.59
17. Larry Bird* 23.50
18. Oscar Robertson* 23.17
[b]19. Dirk Nowitzki 23.14[/b]
20. Yao Ming 23.02
[b]21. Kobe Bryant 22.98[/b]

[QUOTE=masonanddixon]So Duncan, Kobe, and lebron had far better supporting casts yet the Almighty got it done with half the talent.

[url]http://thesmokingcuban.com/2016/02/12/lack-of-all-star-talent-around-dirk-nowitzki-further-evidence-of-his-greatness/[/url][/QUOTE]

So in other words Dirk would need 30 all stars to match Kobe's 5 rings with 15.

:confusedshrug:

not only are you lying in the OP and leaving out all stars for Dirk, you're counting all stars who were scrubs at the time they played.

how about this?

MVP's played with

Dirk = 2

Kobe = 1

Lebron = 1

[QUOTE=pastis]Melo is the biggest chocker the world has ever seen since the fall of france in 1940[/QUOTE]

Laughed harder than I should have.