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Kobe has driven out of LA the two most dominant centers of their era. This guy simply doesn't understand how fortunate he's had it. He's had three different superteams throughout his career with Shaq, Gasol/Odom/Bynum, and now Nash/Gasol/Howard.
His cancerous ways have cost him several titles. What a shame.
[QUOTE=2010splash]Kobe has driven out of LA the two most dominant centers of their era. This guy simply doesn't understand how fortunate he's had it. He's had three different superteams throughout his career with Shaq, Gasol/Odom/Bynum, and now Nash/Gasol/Howard.
His cancerous ways have cost him several titles. What a shame.[/QUOTE]
2004 proved that Kobe doesn't want titles if it means he has to share glory as part of a "team". It's either Kobe is the Finals MVP alpha dog, or no titles. That's how much of a crappy teammate he is.
Imagine the true greats like Kareem, Bird, or Magic behaving like that. Magic running people out of town because he can't get the Finals mvp?
[QUOTE=3LiftHeatCurse]2004 proved that Kobe doesn't want titles if it means he has to share glory as part of a "team". It's either Kobe is the Finals MVP alpha dog, or no titles. That's how much of a crappy teammate he is.[/QUOTE]
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Kobe's just always struck me as this really insecure, petty guy.
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Watch some Inside the NBA with Shaq.
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He comes across really as sociopathic in all honesty. That would certainly explain his seeming inablity to self reflect and adjust his manner to more suit getting along with others.[/QUOTE]
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I'm sorry but the whole "Kobe drove Shaq out of LA" shit is an absolute BS story.
Both had a role to play in that nonsense. To act like Shaquille O'Neal isn't a pain in the ass is utterly ridiculous :oldlol:
Shaq has burned more bridges than most. So just stop that BS
Both sides are spitting some truth.
Anti Kobeites aren't spewing hatred that doesn't have any validity.
Kobeites are stating some shit that makes sense and isn't coming from a blind homer.
But
Players don't like playing with Kobe, plain and simple. Some may have taken a gamble, but ultimately dislike playing with him for the most part, even if they do get along off the court. It's a sacrifice that some players are willing to make while some aren't.
Unless some of you have selective memories, Kobe has always been disliked around the league since he came in by other players. Players began to dislike him even more in the 00s. They made backhanded compliments and resented him playing with Shaq.
To some, this whole 'Alpha' dog shit and 'win at every cost' seems forced. Which is why his teammates don't always respond to him and his form of 'leadership'.
[QUOTE=havoc33]Why are some people in here only referring to the old stories about Kobe in regards to his relationship with Phil Jackson? We all know Kobe could be a knucklehead when he was younger, but to say he is the same person and teammate today is simply not true. But hey, don't take it from me, take it from a person who should know better than anyone in regards to this topic; Phil Jackson.
I couldn't find the quote, but Jackson recently said in another interview that the relationship he now has with Kobe is the closest player-coach relationship he ever had. It's a pity people can't appreciate greatness when it's right in front of their eyes. Too much bickering back and forth about who's the greatest and so forth.. Let's appreciate the game and all of its players.[/QUOTE]
In all honesty, almost anything positive regarding Kobe coming out of Phil's mouth needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
That's basically common knowledge.
[QUOTE=oh the horror]I'm sorry but the whole "Kobe drove Shaq out of LA" shit is an absolute BS story.
Both had a role to play in that nonsense. To act like Shaquille O'Neal isn't a pain in the ass is utterly ridiculous :oldlol:
Shaq has burned more bridges than most. So just stop that BS[/QUOTE]
It's not really about whether or not both had fault in the issue. It's about:
A. Even if Shaq did have some fault in their fractured relationship, Bryant's ego is ultimately what drove the biggest wedge because he was unhappy being sidekick (which he should have accepted because he just wasnt' as good as him). Additionally, don't forget about him bringing up Shaq's name to the police when he had NOTHING to do with his problems. How would YOU like your co-worker to do the same to YOU? Bet you wouldn't be happy about it, and I'm going to go out on a limb and speculate that it may serve to cause problems for your relationship.
B. Where there's smoke there's fire. If it was JUST his issues with Shaq, you could chalk it up to it just being a relationship that didn't work out. But there's been a string of teammates that have had these problems with him. The funny thing about you Kobe apologists is that if it were the same circumstances with any other person you would say "Gee, it doesn't look good when so many people have had major issues with them." Because it's Kobe you choose to make excuses and spin and what not.
At the end of the day, he has 5 chips. It's easy to mock him and praise Lebron cause Lebron just won. But Kobe never went to the Suns back in the days to join prime Nash and get prime KG to create a super team like Lebron. He also has 5 championships doing things his way. Whether Lebron can get 3 more is a question mark.
[QUOTE=andgar923]Both sides are spitting some truth.
Anti Kobeites aren't spewing hatred that doesn't have any validity.
Kobeites are stating some shit that makes sense and isn't coming from a blind homer.
But
Players don't like playing with Kobe, plain and simple. Some may have taken a gamble, but ultimately dislike playing with him for the most part, even if they do get along off the court. It's a sacrifice that some players are willing to make while some aren't.
Unless some of you have selective memories, Kobe has always been disliked around the league since he came in by other players. Players began to dislike him even more in the 00s. They made backhanded compliments and resented him playing with Shaq.
To some, this whole 'Alpha' dog shit and 'win at every cost' seems forced. Which is why his teammates don't always respond to him and his form of 'leadership'.[/QUOTE]
Nice preface homie you almost had everyone fooled
Damn, what is this, the Summer of Shit on Kobe?
Kobe haters reaching hard enough to side with Dwight to hate on Kobe? And I like the excuse that only Pau liked him because he's a beta and can accept it. But when Kobe insinuates Pau needs to play more alpha, you little nerds flip your shit :oldlol:
Kobe is 'aloof' and has always been a loner. Now that doesn't mean shit really but it doesn't gain points with his teammates.
There's tons of stories about Kobe being selfish, being arrogant, dismissive that simply didn't go well with those around him.
Now, there's been other players like that, but not to the same degree (or it appears so).
There was a time Magic said he'd try to reach out to Shaq and Kobe, but Shaq was the only one willing to listen. Magic has stated that he spent years before talking to Kobe. How the fu*ck do you not chat with Magic?
I remember JR Ryder saying he approached Kobe for tips on the triangle when Kobe brushed him aside and told him to learn it on his own. :biggums:
His teammates don't respond to him on the court because he isn't consistent at doing the dirty work, yet wants the all the glory. Have any of you seen him play?
When he goes on KoME mode that's all he does 90% of the time, he won't even play defense or attempt to run the offense. He'll just stand there on the perimeter and demand the ball.
There's other examples of course, many that we don't even know about.
But wait until his career is over when it will all come out.
Are you shitting me?
Kobe, a 5 time NBA Champion, the only star player the in the league that has been able to repeat twice, with two teams with entirely different compositions, is now a cancer?!
Yes, he might drive away the likes of Dwight who just want to have fun and isn't entirely dedicated to winning a championship. You don't see Nash or Pau heading for the door. They know what's up.
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Kobe is a bitch