[QUOTE=Objectivity]How far do they go in 2013 if not for Ray Allen?[/QUOTE]
Ray Allen 10ppg is easily replaceable so the Heat still win
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[QUOTE=Objectivity]How far do they go in 2013 if not for Ray Allen?[/QUOTE]
Ray Allen 10ppg is easily replaceable so the Heat still win
[QUOTE=Manny98]No player won with as low scoring second and third options as LeBron did in 2013 that is a fact
Ray Allen hit one shot whoopee!
How many did he score in game 7 of the finals?
I rest my case[/QUOTE]
Wade averaged 20/4/5 on 48% in the 2013 Finals, which was pretty much Pippen's standard
Otoh, Lebron averaged 16 on 39% thru 3 games.... And his 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 games, thus needing Ray to force game 7
He was also a net negative for the entire series
Lebron was actually horrible in the 2013 Finals
[QUOTE=3ball]Wade averaged 20/5/5 in the 2013 Finals, which was Pippen's standard
Otoh, Lebron averaged 16 on 39% thru 3 games.... And his 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 games, thus needing Ray to force game 7
He was also a net negative for the entire series
Lebron was actually horrible in the 2013 Finals[/QUOTE]
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GOT HIS ASS
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Hakeem
Dirk
LeBron 2016
relative to opposition, '16 Bron?
Love injured, so he basically beat 3-all stars with 1 and no 6th man level beyond that ala Iggy?
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater]relative to opposition, '16 Bron?
Love injured, so he basically beat 3-all stars with 1 and no 6th man level beyond that ala Iggy?[/QUOTE]
Kyrie wasn't an all-star :D
LeGOAT
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[QUOTE=Sakkreth]Hakeem
Dirk
LeBron 2016[/QUOTE]
How did he even make the finals with so little help in 2016 :biggums:
THE GOAT STANDARD :rockon:
[QUOTE=FKAri]Kyrie wasn't an all-star :D
LeGOAT
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[QUOTE=FKAri]Kyrie wasn't an all-star :D
LeGOAT
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but he kinda was, you know
lets give him that
[QUOTE=3ball]Wade averaged 20/4/5 on 48% in the 2013 Finals, which was pretty much Pippen's standard
Otoh, Lebron averaged 16 on 39% thru 3 games.... And his 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 games, thus needing Ray to force game 7
He was also a net negative for the entire series
Lebron was actually horrible in the 2013 Finals[/QUOTE]
Ok so Wade put up Pippens numbers offensively with much worse defense
And Bosh averaged 11ppg and scored 0 points in game 7
Even if you want to cherrypick one series LeBron still won with less help than anyone in 2013 :applause:
hakeems lack of help is extremely overstated... he beat a knicks team that featured ewing and john starks, which was no more talented than his own team in '94.
And then in '95 he had a prime clyde drexler... all NBA player and multiple time MVP candidate going off in those playoffs with him. But people act like he had bums.
Clyde Drexler had two top 5 MVP finishes and was better than Pau Gasol, but people NEVER mention him in that title run.
[QUOTE=FKAri]Kyrie wasn't an all-star :D
LeGOAT
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It's funny because in 1989, mj actually DID beat a 3 all-star team with zero all-stars (a bunch of young pups)
Btw, kyrie only missed the 16' all-star game due to injury, while 91' Pippen played all 82 games but missed the all-star team - so MJ legitimately won with no-all-stars in 91', whereas lebron had 2 perennial all-star teammates in 16'
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater]but he kinda was, you know
lets give him that[/QUOTE]
You can't just GIVE people all-star selections. Well, I guess they did kinda do that with MJ in 03 and they even got mad at Vince for not being on board with the rig.
LeGOAT
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[QUOTE=Manny98]Ok so Wade put up Pippens numbers offensively with much worse defense
And Bosh averaged 11ppg and scored 0 points in game 7
Even if you want to cherrypick one series LeBron still won with less help than anyone in 2013 :applause:[/QUOTE]
Lebron had 3 HOF teammates in the 13' Finals, while he averaged 16 on 39% thru 3 games....
And 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 games, thus needing Ray to force game 7... He was also a net negative for the entire series
So Lebron was horrible and carried by had 3 HOF teammates
[QUOTE=tpols]hakeems lack of help is extremely overstated... he beat a knicks team that featured ewing and john starks, which was no more talented than his own team in '94.
And then in '95 he had a prime clyde drexler... all NBA player and multiple time MVP candidate going off in those playoffs with him. But people act like he had bums.
Clyde Drexler had two top 5 MVP finishes and was better than Pau Gasol, but people NEVER mention him in that title run.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, don't forget Horry and Kenny the Jet setting 3 point records during that time frame.
Hakeem is amazing...but I always have said 94-99 was the WEAKEST time period for the modern era.
None of the champions during that time (except for 96 Bulls) would win in the 80's or post 2010's.