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Magic Johnson averaged a triple double over his 1st 4 playoff runs.
This is kind of random, but I was just looking at Magic's playoffs stats. These were the per game avg. over those first four seasons.
'80- 18.3ppg 10.5rpg 9.4apg 16 games
'81- 17.0ppg 13.7rpg 7.0apg 3 games
'82- 17.4ppg 11.3rpg 9.3apg 14 games
'83- 17.9ppg 8.5rpg 12.8apg 15 games
4 year avg.- [B]17.8 ppg 10.3rpg 10.3apg[/B]
This includes 3 Finals appearances and 2 titles. So we're looking at extremely deep playoff runs each season except for one.
:bowdown:
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Second greatest player of all-time...and not too far behind.
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[QUOTE=Whoah10115]Second greatest player of all-time...and not too far behind.[/QUOTE]
Wow, that's kind of unusual. Who's in your top 10?
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Not long ago ISH decided that LeBron definitely is a better player than Magic...
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[QUOTE=jlip]
[SIZE="3"]4 year avg.- [B]17.8 ppg 10.3rpg 10.3apg[/B][/SIZE]
This includes 3 Finals appearances and 2 titles. :bowdown:[/QUOTE]
& some here pick [B]Kobe bean bryant ahead of Magic[/B].
& some here say [B]Magic is overrated[/B].
& some here thing [B]Magic is NOT a face of Laker franchise![/B]
If Magic is forgotten this quickly, [B]Just imagine how quickly Kobe's 2 rings in 2009 & 2010 will be forgotten once he is long retired.[/B]
Just think about it. [B]Shaq's sheer dominant 3-peat is already forgotten with dominant 3 x FMVP performances.[/B]
its like it never happened.
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People believe what they are told by the media. In 2008, Obama said it was immoral and unpatriotic to have $9 Trillion in debt. We are now over $16 Trillion, but Obama was reelected because the media told us to vote for him.
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[QUOTE=vert48]People believe what they are told by the media. In 2008, Obama said it was immoral and unpatriotic to have $9 Trillion in debt. We are now over $16 Trillion, but Obama was reelected because the media told us to vote for him.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but [B]Obama NEVER said its immoral & unpatriotic to NOT have MORE THAN $9 trillion deficit[/B].
grow up son! :coleman:
We are a nation of spenders. [B]Spending MORE than $9 trillion is just AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE.[/B]
[B]The more we spend....the more american we are.....the happy we are.....the more PATRIOTIC we are.[/B]
Obama is right. :coleman:
read between the lines brah! :coleman:
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[QUOTE=vert48]People believe what they are told by the media. In 2008, Obama said it was immoral and unpatriotic to have $9 Trillion in debt. We are now over $16 Trillion, but Obama was reelected because the media told us to vote for him.[/QUOTE]
The media is not the one making people forgot about things, you just wanted to crowbar your dislike for a politician in.
People simply forget, where not born yet or don't care. I remember when Shaq was still in the league some teenagers thinking that Kobe was the man during the 3-peat, because their less knowledge mind view the current old Shaq as being the same player as the 2000 Shaq. They had a very bad concept of aging.
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[QUOTE=gengiskhan]Yeah but [B]Obama NEVER said its immoral & unpatriotic to NOT have MORE THAN $9 trillion deficit[/B].
grow up son! :coleman:
We are a nation of spenders. [B]Spending MORE than $9 trillion is just AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE.[/B]
[B]The more we spend....the more american we are.....the happy we are.....the more PATRIOTIC we are.[/B]
Obama is right. :coleman:
read between the lines brah! :coleman:[/QUOTE]
Yeah, he did say it was unpatriotic to have that much debt. He said it in 2008 several times, and in 2006, when it was only $8 Trillion, he said it was immoral and unpatriotic to allow the debt to go any higher.
We believe what we are told to believe.
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[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]Wow, that's kind of unusual. Who's in your top 10?[/QUOTE]
Bird, Wilt, Russell, Kareem, Kobe, Hakeem, West...so I have a top 9. Not sure about anyone after that.
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[QUOTE=dunksby]Not long ago ISH decided that LeBron definitely is a better player than Magic...[/QUOTE]
Well, he's easily better than '80-'83 Magic. Magic became a much better player than he was during these first 4 playoff runs.
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[QUOTE=Whoah10115]Bird, Wilt, Russell, Kareem, Kobe, Hakeem, West...so I have a top 9. Not sure about anyone after that.[/QUOTE]
Tim Duncan ?
[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]Well, he's easily better than '80-'83 Magic. Magic became a much better player than he was during these first 4 playoff runs.[/QUOTE]
I think the MVP he got in 1990 proves that. Word is, that he didn't deserve it over Barkley, but the competition against him is something James never faced:
[IMG]http://gyazo.com/b37b6fcf34299e63f5297772afa47993.png[/IMG]
I mean, you can literally make a case just going off stats, for the Top 7 listed.
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[QUOTE=Whoah10115]Bird, Wilt, Russell, Kareem, Kobe, Hakeem, West...so I have a top 9. Not sure about anyone after that.[/QUOTE]
I'm assuming Jordan is automatically in there too? (Since you gave 7 + Magic)
Nice to see West up there.
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[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7][IMG]http://gyazo.com/b37b6fcf34299e63f5297772afa47993.png[/IMG]
I mean, you can literally make a case just going off stats, for the Top 7 listed.[/QUOTE]
Tom Chambers got a few votes :oldlol: Awesome, he's underrated.
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[QUOTE=Whoah10115]Bird, Wilt, Russell, Kareem, Kobe, Hakeem, West...so I have a top 9. Not sure about anyone after that.[/QUOTE]
..Shaq?
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WOW... Between the Kobe, Lebron, and Obama references, this thread quickly devolved into something I never would have expected.
:banghead:
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[QUOTE=Riley Martin]..Shaq?[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah, he's not there either...
[QUOTE=jlip]WOW... Between the Kobe, Lebron, and Obama references, this thread quickly devolved into something I never would have expected.
:banghead:[/QUOTE]
Classic Insidehoops. :lol
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[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]Tim Duncan ?
I think the MVP he got in 1990 proves that. Word is, that he didn't deserve it over Barkley, but the competition against him is something James never faced:
[IMG]http://gyazo.com/b37b6fcf34299e63f5297772afa47993.png[/IMG]
I mean, you can literally make a case just going off stats, for the Top 7 listed.[/QUOTE]
The Barkley story is more about him getting the most first place votes, but being left off the ballot completely by several writers due to a bias against him. That's why people say he was robbed. Personally, I think Jordan was the most valuable by that point.
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[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]Tim Duncan ?
I think the MVP he got in 1990 proves that. Word is, that he didn't deserve it over Barkley, but the competition against him is something James never faced:
[IMG]http://gyazo.com/b37b6fcf34299e63f5297772afa47993.png[/IMG]
I mean, you can literally make a case just going off stats, for the Top 7 listed.[/QUOTE]
what a beautiful list of players;(
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[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]
I think the MVP he got in 1990 proves that. Word is, that he didn't deserve it over Barkley, but the competition against him is something James never faced:
[IMG]http://gyazo.com/b37b6fcf34299e63f5297772afa47993.png[/IMG]
I mean, you can literally make a case just going off stats, for the Top 7 listed.[/QUOTE]
This is the reason why I abhor when people just line up total achievements won, and don't put context to it (speaking about Pauk).
Jordan taking MVPs away from Bird and Magic is far more impressive than James taking MVPs away from 21 year old Durant.
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[QUOTE=LockoutOver11]what a beautiful list of players;([/QUOTE]
That is a great list.
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He averaged a triple double for the year in 1982 if you round up.
18.6 pts
9.5 ast
9.6 reb
2.7 stl
.537 fg%
.760 ft%
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One of the greatest runs of all time. Greatest player of all time :applause: :bowdown:
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[QUOTE=Riley Martin]..Shaq?[/QUOTE]
Nope.
[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]Tim Duncan ?
[/QUOTE]
Maybe. I have an obligation to put him over Barkley, even tho Barkley was a better player at his best and did so in a much better era...and he simply did more, stepped up in every big situation, but simply didn't win...and, I guess, didn't get close enough to the promised land as much as he needed to. But I'd take Barkley over most of the guys I'm supposed to put on the list.
[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]I'm assuming Jordan is automatically in there too? (Since you gave 7 + Magic)
Nice to see West up there.[/QUOTE]
Well yeah lol. No original thinking can leave Jordan off the list.
Looking back at his career and thinking back to all the old games I've seen...I'm trying too hard to pick, when the Logo is right there.
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[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]Well, he's easily better than '80-'83 Magic. Magic became a much better player than he was during these first 4 playoff runs.[/QUOTE]
Easily better? Nah. James is maybe better than that version, but not easily.
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[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]The Barkley story is more about him getting the most first place votes, but being left off the ballot completely by several writers due to a bias against him. That's why people say he was robbed. Personally, I think Jordan was the most valuable by that point.[/QUOTE]
[B]Nah...Barkley Was Just Robbed. Jordan had Pippen and Grant...Barkley had Nobodies for his Wins. Barkley Was The 1990 MVP.[/B]
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[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]Nah...Barkley Was Just Robbed. Jordan had Pippen and Grant...Barkley had Nobodies for his Wins. Barkley Was The 1990 MVP.[/B][/QUOTE]
true
BUT
MJ was robbed the following years:
1989
1993
1997
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[QUOTE=gengiskhan]true
BUT
MJ was robbed the following years:
1989
1993
1997[/QUOTE]
[B]1989: Yes I Agree because Magic had the Better Cast and the Pistons Where Stacked. Pippen was Just a Step Away (Actually a Year Away) from Being an All Star. Yes, Agree There.
1993: Barkley Deserved the MVP Again that Year because KJ ONLY Played 49 Games and the Suns Actually Had a Better Winning% Without Him. Jordan Still had a Better Cast with Pippen and Grant than Barkley with KJ Out for Most of the Season Pilled Up 62 Wins.
1997: Malone Deserved his MVP despite the Fact he Had Stockton...Because Jordan had Pippen, Rodman, Longley, Kukoc, Harper A Way Better Team. Malone Deserved the 1997 MVP..NOT the Other One in 1999 Ofcourse..
Jordan Deserved: 88, 89, 91, 92 and 96.[/B]
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[QUOTE=Whoah10115]Nope.
Maybe. I have an obligation to put him over Barkley, even tho Barkley was a better player at his best and did so in a much better era...and he simply did more, stepped up in every big situation, but simply didn't win...and, I guess, didn't get close enough to the promised land as much as he needed to. But I'd take Barkley over most of the guys I'm supposed to put on the list.
Well yeah lol. No original thinking can leave Jordan off the list.
Looking back at his career and thinking back to all the old games I've seen...I'm trying too hard to pick, when the Logo is right there.[/QUOTE]
Just curious...where do you have the Big O and Dr. J? I'm trying to rationalize your placing KAJ at 6 (not that I have a problem with this; I don't subscribe to the idea of GOAT lists anymore, but my last list slotted Cap at 5...it's just that putting him there is a minority view).
BTW I know the typical what if regarding Bird regards his bad back, but how about his finger? In 'When the Game Was Ours', IMO there are two interesting points of contention regarding the Bird/Magic comparison (I'm going off of memory, apologies for any inaccuracies):
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[QUOTE=fpliii]Just curious...where do you have the Big O and Dr. J? I'm trying to rationalize your placing KAJ at 6 (not that I have a problem with this; I don't subscribe to the idea of GOAT lists anymore, but my last list slotted Cap at 5...it's just that putting him there is a minority view).
BTW I know the typical what if regarding Bird regards his bad back, but how about his finger? In 'When the Game Was Ours', IMO there are two interesting points of contention regarding the Bird/Magic comparison (I'm going off of memory, apologies for any inaccuracies):
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[QUOTE=Whoah10115]I don't think I'd heard of the finger thing until reading your post. You're saying he hurt it before even playing a professional game? I can't try to imagine how much better he would have been. As far as his back goes...the guy played 12 seasons worth of basketball and he was a great player every single season. He was a top 10 player in eleven different seasons. Hard to ask for more, especially in that era.[/QUOTE]
Correct. I was shocked as well. I can't find any one great article (again, my source was the recent Magic/Bird book), but searching for something like:
Larry Bird finger injury softball
on Google (or any other news archiver of your choice) from the summer of 79 will give you some matches.
[QUOTE]There is a lot of recent revisionism with Kareem. I'm sure there were people talking him up 10 years ago and even earlier (as far as his GOAT candidacy) but it was never like this. Thru high school I hardly ever saw a list where he wasn't ranked below Wilt and Russell, for starters. Magic was often #2, tho I sometimes saw Wilt at #2, as his numbers were just stupid. I was surprised when I saw Bird below the other 5 on the ESPN list of greatest athletes (tho I guess they could take into consideration that Wilt and Russell were all-around athletes, and KAJ is the best college player ever). A lot of different (and random) magazines would compile their list of the greatest athletes and I often saw Michael, Magic, Larry as the top 3 basketball guys. But, regardless, it was rare that I saw Kareem ahead of either Russell or Chamberlain. And I think the somewhat recent obsession with ranking him #1 is a great example of people looking toward a list of checked-off accomplishments that justify some new movements on the list. Also, people are still looking for the Air Apparent. They'll even go back in time. [/QUOTE]
Ah okay. One other point of note is that at the time, Walton was considered by a fair portion of sportswriters/other players to be the superior player (compared to KAJ). I definitely respect his longevity (particularly what he did in 85, absolutely ridiculous) but agree for the most part.
BTW thanks for sharing your stance on Robertson/Erving (as I said, the reason I mentioned both guys was to try and see if where you slotted them had something to do with the Kareem placement...two leading criticisms of him regard only winning with a legendary PG, and having some of his best statistical seasons in a split league).
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[QUOTE=Whoah10115]I don't think I'd heard of the finger thing until reading your post. You're saying he hurt it before even playing a professional game? I can't try to imagine how much better he would have been. As far as his back goes...the guy played 12 seasons worth of basketball and he was a great player every single season. He was a top 10 player in eleven different seasons. Hard to ask for more, especially in that era. [/QUOTE]
Yeah Bird like shattered his finger and had surgery on it before his first training camp.
[quote]"Bird laughs a little bit and holds up his right index finger. "This," he says. The finger is shaped much like a boomerang, permanently bent toward his thumb at a 45-degree angle. Two operations have failed to straighten it; he can bend it only halfway to his palm. "I didn't have this in college," he says. He broke it playing softball the summer before his rookie year, trying to catch a wicked line drive off the bat of his brother Mike. "Mike hit a shot that knuckled like nothing I ever seen and that sucker hit my finger and I dropped it. So I picked it up and threw to second base, only the ball tailed up and away and clear over the second baseman, and Mike went all the way over to third base laughing like anything. I had to laugh, too, because I didn't know why the ball did that until I looked down at my hand and saw my finger broken at about a 90-degree angle.""[/quote]
^ [URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/1998/bird/flashbacks/1981flash.html"]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/1998/bird/flashbacks/1981flash.html[/URL]
He also allegedy broke that same finger in the 85 playoffs in a bar fight.
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[QUOTE=fpliii]Correct. I was shocked as well. I can't find any one great article (again, my source was the recent Magic/Bird book), but searching for something like:
Larry Bird finger injury softball
on Google (or any other news archiver of your choice) from the summer of 79 will give you some matches.
Ah okay. One other point of note is that at the time, Walton was considered by a fair portion of sportswriters/other players to be the superior player (compared to KAJ). I definitely respect his longevity (particularly what he did in 85, absolutely ridiculous) but agree for the most part.
BTW thanks for sharing your stance on Robertson/Erving (as I said, the reason I mentioned both guys was to try and see if where you slotted them had something to do with the Kareem placement...two leading criticisms of him regard only winning with a legendary PG, and having some of his best statistical seasons in a split league).[/QUOTE]
That wasn't my reason, tho I considered saying that out loud. But I don't want to knock Kareem based on that. The Kareem I saw playing in LA was one lazy man on defense. Did not defend the pick n' roll and didn't protect the rim nearly as much as his blocks suggest. Altering shots is more important than blocking a couple. He blocked a lot but I didn't see him contest as much as I would have liked, considering how lazy he was. The guy was known for his end-to-end speed and his gracefulness, but he was so lazy that I used to think he was slow (I'm talking pre-Magic).
I won't hold against him that he didn't win without a great PG. He just never had the impact of the other 5. And it was very noticeable. It makes me even think about ranking other players ahead of him, tho I struggle mostly because of the overall career...I mean, the longevity was crazy...especially when he did it.
But then I think of all the games I've seen and all that things I've read about him as a Buck...that Kareem was something else.
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[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]Yeah Bird like shattered his finger and had surgery on it before his first training camp.
^ [URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/1998/bird/flashbacks/1981flash.html"]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/1998/bird/flashbacks/1981flash.html[/URL]
He also broke that same finger in the 85 playoffs in a bar fight.[/QUOTE]
LOL...a bar fight.
Good stuff.
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[QUOTE=Whoah10115]LOL...a bar fight.
Good stuff.[/QUOTE]
He was a tough SOB :oldlol:
When are NBA players going to learn that clubs/bars just lead to trouble? Bird in a bar fight, Pierce getting stabbed, Stephen Jackson/Kendrick Perkins shooting incident. Newsflash, you can pick up chicks anywhere guys!
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[QUOTE=Whoah10115]That wasn't my reason, tho I considered saying that out loud. But I don't want to knock Kareem based on that. The Kareem I saw playing in LA was one lazy man on defense. Did not defend the pick n' roll and didn't protect the rim nearly as much as his blocks suggest. Altering shots is more important than blocking a couple. He blocked a lot but I didn't see him contest as much as I would have liked, considering how lazy he was. The guy was known for his end-to-end speed and his gracefulness, but he was so lazy that I used to think he was slow (I'm talking pre-Magic).
I won't hold against him that he didn't win without a great PG. He just never had the impact of the other 5. And it was very noticeable. It makes me even think about ranking other players ahead of him, tho I struggle mostly because of the overall career...I mean, the longevity was crazy...especially when he did it.
But then I think of all the games I've seen and all that things I've read about him as a Buck...that Kareem was something else.[/QUOTE]
[B]There are some clips and full games on Kareem with the Bucks the dude was an Unreal Defender then. He was like a More Athletic Version of Tim Duncan with Better Passing and ofcourse the Most Onstoppable Post Shot of All Time, The Sky Hook. Kareem in his 20s Would Average 30-35 PPG in Today
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[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]Tim Duncan ?
I think the MVP he got in 1990 proves that. Word is, that he didn't deserve it over Barkley, but the competition against him is something James never faced:
[IMG]http://gyazo.com/b37b6fcf34299e63f5297772afa47993.png[/IMG]
I mean, you can literally make a case just going off stats, for the Top 7 listed.[/QUOTE]
Holy **** all all those players stats that year. if any of them were playing in this years nba they would all have a case for MVP. Players in todays nba are lucky not to have amazing competition like that