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1-9 =)
[QUOTE=FKAri]1-9 =)[/QUOTE]
3/9
8pts
Holder of the #1 and #2 greatest margin of loss in NBA finals history
Your balding idol is a glorified loser.
1-9
Less points than Bron
Less rings than Russell
Cant shoot
Average defense
And the United States have had communist like years of leadership while outside a time of war
incest like relationships are not considered as offer to the contrary
[QUOTE=And1AllDay]Number of seasons where Mike made it out of 1st round w/o Scottie =[B][SIZE="5"] 0[/SIZE][/B]
Number of seasons where Scottie made it out of 1st round w/o Mike =[B][SIZE="5"] 2[/SIZE][/B] (1994, 2000)
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Wow is this true? 3ball?
OP is a troll who doesn't even watch basketball.
[QUOTE=Wally450]OP is a troll who doesn't even watch basketball.[/QUOTE]
True.
One Last dagger for OP:
Jordan lost with an all star teammate (1990, 1995)
LeBron won without an all star (2016)
10 reasons why he's not GOAT
1. Played in a weak era (expansion draft watered-down the talent in the league Bird said so himself)
2. Team only had a 2 win drop off without him proving his impact isn't GOAT
3. Poor 3 point shooter
4. Poor longevity
5. 1-9
6. Weakest finals competition of anyone in the top 10
7. Losing record to the majority of his rivals ( Zeke,Bird,Keem)
8. Missed the playoffs in his 14th and 15th seasons
9. He's not the GOAT of anything
GOAT scorer - KD
GOAT defender - Pippen
GOAT passer - Magic
GOAT winner - Russell
GOAT all around - LeBron
10. Losing to this guy in a 1 v 1
[IMG]https://i.postimg.cc/2jwbMZf8/John-Rogers.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=TheCorporation]
1-9 [B]> missing playoffs[/B]
Less points than Bron [B]just like Bird has less points than Reggie Miller[/B]
Less rings than Russell [B]and Horry too - but only MJ has all-time levels of rings/stats/accolades[/B]
Cant shoot [url=http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=466198][B]except anytime he tried[/B][/url]
Average defense [B]except when magic, drexler, miller, starks, majerle, hawkins all shoot
40% against him[/B]
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[QUOTE=Manny98]10 reasons why he's not GOAT
1. Played in a weak era (expansion draft watered-down the talent in the league Bird said so himself)
2. Team only had a 2 win drop off without him proving his impact isn't GOAT
3. Poor 3 point shooter
4. Poor longevity
5. 1-9
6. Weakest finals competition of anyone in the top 10
7. Losing record to the majority of his rivals ( Zeke,Bird,Keem)
8. Missed the playoffs in his 14th and 15th seasons
9. He's not the GOAT of anything
GOAT scorer - KD
GOAT defender - Pippen
GOAT passer - Magic
GOAT winner - Russell
GOAT all around - LeBron
10. Losing to this guy in a 1 v 1
[IMG]https://i.postimg.cc/2jwbMZf8/John-Rogers.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
:eek:
No need for me to pile on.
Its over
[QUOTE=The Corporation]
[B]The bulls won 55 in 1994 without him[/B]
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The same roster that three-peated in 1993 only won 47 games in 1989, and would've missed the 45-win playoff cut without MJ.. In other words, MJ started with a lottery cast of unproductive young players
1994 simply proved that the Bulls developed their system exceptionally well, so that it became a 6x unbeatable champion [I]with[/I] MJ, and 2nd round without.
Btw, the Bulls' triangle needed scoring champion production from the #1 option to win a ring - it never won without it.. So only MJ would do because only MJ won a ring and the scoring title in the same year (6 times), along with Kareem/Shaq once each in their peak seasons of 71' and 00'.. These were the only skillsets goat enough to fit scoring champion amounts into a championship/winning framework
[QUOTE=The Corporation]
[B]Pippen was the best 2nd option
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[B]Pippen was only good for 3 years alongside MJ - 1991-1993 - he sucked every other year and was bad in MOST big series[/B]:
[INDENT][I]1988 PLAYOFFS[/I]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 10.0 on 46.5%
[I]1989 PLAYOFFS[/I]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 13.1 on 46.2% (9.7 on 40.4% in ecf)
[I]1990 ECF[/I][COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] vs[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] DET:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 16.6 on 42.8% (2 pts, 1-10 in game 7)
[I]1992 ECSF vs NYN[/I]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 16.0 on 40.2%
[I]1994 ECSF vs NYN[/I]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 21.7 on 40.5% (worst-ever [B]1st[/B] option w/ goat choke)
[I]1995 ECSF vs ORL[/I]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 19.0 on 40.9%
[I]1996 ECSF vs NYN[/I]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 15.6 on 33.0%
[I]1996 FINAL vs SEA[/I]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 15.7 on 34.3%
[I]1997 RD 1 vs WAS[/I]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 16.7 on 38.3%
[I]1997 ECF[/I][COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] vs. MIA:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 16.8 on 41.7%
[I]1998 ECF[COLOR="White"]S[/COLOR] vs[COLOR="White"]N[/COLOR] IND[/I]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 16.6 on 39.2%
[I]1998 FINAL vs UTA[/I]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 15.7 on 41.0%
[COLOR="Navy"]Pippen's stats in 96-98 Playoffs - 17 on 40%[/COLOR][/INDENT]
And despite his best years, the 91-93' Bulls still had weaker on-paper talent than their Finals opponents and numerous other opponents because they got murdered at the #3-12 spots
This is common knowledge
Furthermore, any player with 3+ rings had a better 2nd option for 3 Finals or more - i.e. lebron (11-13' and many would argue 16' as well)
But MJ won 3 rings [U]without[/U] the best 2nd option from 96-98' - Pippen averaged 17 on 40.8% for the 96-98' playoffs, while old Rodman averaged 4/8 in the 97' playoffs and wasn't the starter in 98' playoffs.
[QUOTE=The Corporation]
[B]MJ played weak teams and/or in a weak era
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It's a common fact that parity (even playing field) makes it [I]harder[/I] to win, not easier
The 90's jazz, sonics, lakers, rockets and suns were [U]all[/U] Finals teams - they had to beat [I]each other[/I] (fellow Finals teams) to make the Finals.. Otoh, today's conferences each have 1 super-team that has an auto-pass to the Finals (heat/spurs and cavs/warriors)
Whereas everything had to fall perfectly to make the Finals in the 90's West - 4-5 teams took turns having their monumental year and losing to MJ in the Finals.. but the peak of these teams was every bit as high as the spurs/warriors' peak - any of those teams could've beaten the Warriors/Spurs, just like Houston showed last year or the clippers showed this year
[QUOTE=The Corporation]
[B]6/6 isn't a good argument[/B]
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MJ is goat because only MJ has all-time levels of rings, stats, and accolades
So Finals record isn't even necessary
However, it's a true symbol of goatness because it's a result OF goatness.. only the goat can be 6/6.. 6/6 is a function of the unbeatable teams that resulted when MJ successfully fit GOAT scoring and clutch into an equal-opportunity system
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[QUOTE=Manny98]10 reasons why he's not GOAT
1. Played in a weak conference (weakest conference the history of the game has ever seen). Proof:
[IMG]http://i64.tinypic.com/wv7p02.jpg[/IMG]
2. LOTTERY TEAM only had a +2 in wins WITH LeGOAT from the previous season WITHOUT LeGOAT proving his impact isn't GOAT.
3. Garbage 3 point shooter
4. Padded longevity stats
5. Missed playoffs entirely first 2 seasons
6. Weakest first 3 rounds competition of anyone in the top 10
7. Losing record to the majority of his rivals (Duncan, Kawhi, Durant, Curry, Terry, Diaw, Barea)
8. Missed the playoffs after he [B]activated playoff mode[/B]
9. He's not the GOAT of anything
GOAT scorer - MJ
GOAT defender - Payton
GOAT passer - Magic
GOAT winner - Russell
GOAT all around - MJ
10. Losing to this guy in a 1 v 1
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CllRe7KWEAAihOU.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
:rockon: :rockon:
Kareem is GOAT
- Most points scored in the entire league (record)
- 6 rings
- 2 fmvps
- 6 mvps (NBA record)
- ROY
- 11x all def team
- 19x all star
- Greatest college player ever
GREATEST BASKETBALL PLAYER EVER. :bowdown: :applause:
Sir Alcindor we are not worthy. :bowdown:
:rolleyes: