The way he's able to pull off some of his signature moves is incredible,its like the ball is attached to him, and almost no current NBA player can mimic his moves.
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The way he's able to pull off some of his signature moves is incredible,its like the ball is attached to him, and almost no current NBA player can mimic his moves.
kobe has better handles than jamal crawford, easily
[QUOTE=selrahc]kobe has better handles than jamal crawford, easily[/QUOTE]
stfu
Dunno what exactly you mean by "weird", but yeah I always thought his handle seemed kind of loose. Like he dribbles high and kind of far from his body, but nobody can seem to strip him either.
[QUOTE=LT Ice Cream]Dunno what exactly you mean by "weird", but yeah I always thought his handle seemed kind of loose. Like he dribbles high and kind of far from his body, but nobody can seem to strip him either.[/QUOTE]
He has a playground/blacktop kind of ball handle and besides kenny anderson he is the most successful one to translate it into an effective style of dribble in the NBA. Half of the kids in NY playgrounds can dribble just as good but 99% of them will not make it into the league.
The only other ones that had this type of handle on a proffessional level has been rafer Alston, and shamgod wells. To a lesser extent you can say iverson but he only had the crossover
This style of ball handle is best defended by not paying attention to the ball not matter how tempting it looks that you can steal. To reach is the worst thing because I can guarantee you that he has a counter move and from there prepare yourself to be embarrassed. NY ballhandlers work on their ball handles with as much dedication as a martial artist
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Flashy, but overrated. I often see Jamal do 3 or 4 moves and end up with a semi-contested jumper or floater. On the other hand, there are players with far less fancy dribbling that get by their defender for higher percentage shots, using only one or two basic moves.
I dunno, but that Kevin Durant sure does shoot a lot of free throws.
cp3 and irving are just as good imo. Crawford is more fancy and has a better crossover
[QUOTE=bdreason]Flashy, but overrated. I often see Jamal do 3 or 4 moves and end up with a semi-contested jumper or floater. On the other hand, there are players with far less fancy dribbling that get by their defender for higher percentage shots, using only one or two basic moves.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't so "overrated" fits because he can break people down 1 on 1 better than pretty much anybody in the NBA outside of Kyrie and CP3. Although I agree with your point which is often times the 3-4 fancy moves are more flash than substance. Like you said one or two basic moves would have a similar result which tells me he does it mostly for style points, nothing wrong with that.
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He has shot 42% from the field for his whole career. Who cares how good his "handles" are? Does anybody really want the ball in his hands any more than is necessary? I don't see him playing PG for anyone, or starting.
To make the distinction between streetball ballhandlers and NBA ballhandlers and why one does not succeed as the other is simple.
Streetball ballhandlers are east-west dribblers. They can make lots of fancy moves and move side to side but as long as the defender shades them they cannot get to the bucket.
NBA ballhandlers are north-south ballhandlers. Their only goal is to get to the bucket. While being able to go side to side is useful its not necessary. The big part of this is the stop n go game/change of pace/ timing and rhythm, which incidentally, streetball players suck at since they are iso ball hogs.
Crawford sort of combines both but in the NBA generally there are few east-west ballhandlers as that is highly frowned upon by coaches.
[QUOTE=OhNoTimNoSho]To make the distinction between streetball ballhandlers and NBA ballhandlers and why one does not succeed as the other is simple.
Streetball ballhandlers are east-west dribblers. They can make lots of fancy moves and move side to side but as long as the defender shades them they cannot get to the bucket.
NBA ballhandlers are north-south ballhandlers. Their only goal is to get to the bucket. While being able to go side to side is useful its not necessary. The big part of this is the stop n go game/change of pace/ timing and rhythm, which incidentally, streetball players suck at since they are iso ball hogs.
Crawford sort of combines both but in the NBA generally there are few east-west ballhandlers as that is highly frowned upon by coaches.[/QUOTE]
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And what Crawford excels at is baiting the defender into reaching for the ball or overplaying one direction or the other.. and he then makes them look foolish. The problem is, he usually does it side to side (as you mentioned) or ends up farther away from the basket. He has great moves, he just doesn't use them as effectively as other star PGs use their moves.
Thus why Irving and CP3 (along with many other players) are more successful with their moves off the dribble.
Crawford definitely has the handles....if u are a fan of the clippers u can't help but be excited with so many flashy players on ur team....
Irving got the handles too, but the scoring ability to back it up
[QUOTE=bdreason]Flashy, but overrated. I often see Jamal do 3 or 4 moves and end up with a semi-contested jumper or floater. On the other hand, there are players with far less fancy dribbling that get by their defender for higher percentage shots, using only one or two basic moves.[/QUOTE]
Less to do with his handles and more to do with him as a player. He's a better player now than he was when he was with the Knicks, but there were things he did better than he does now...like just play. He relies on those handles too much.
People calling Jamal's handle overrated... he's played 13 years in the NBA averaging 15 PPG. That is all.
[QUOTE=StroShow4]People calling Jamal's handle overrated... he's played 13 years in the NBA averaging 15 PPG. That is all.[/QUOTE]
He's also been top 5 the entire time at shooting off the dribble pretty much. Prior to now with the Clippers 80+ percent of his shots are off dribble creation. Luckily now he can feast of Blake+CP3 double teams with the catch and shoot corner 3's and we don't gotta worry about turnovers as much.
[QUOTE=OhNoTimNoSho]To make the distinction between streetball ballhandlers and NBA ballhandlers and why one does not succeed as the other is simple.
Streetball ballhandlers are east-west dribblers. They can make lots of fancy moves and move side to side but as long as the defender shades them they cannot get to the bucket.
NBA ballhandlers are north-south ballhandlers. Their only goal is to get to the bucket. While being able to go side to side is useful its not necessary. The big part of this is the stop n go game/change of pace/ timing and rhythm, which incidentally, streetball players suck at since they are iso ball hogs.
Crawford sort of combines both but in the NBA generally there are few east-west ballhandlers as that is highly frowned upon by coaches.[/QUOTE]
Terrific post. I dribble very similarly to Crawford, and I'm trying to work on getting to the bucket more. I've always had handles, but I'm still somewhat lacking in the intangibles that would allow me to get to the bucket on a regular basis.
am I crazy to say I would prefer to watch Crawford, CP3 or Kyrie play then the league's MVP?
Something beautiful about them in the triple threat...not really needing a pick set every friggin time down the floor...shaking fools.
jamaal,AI,Kyrie best ball handlers ive seen
the correct adjective is not "weird."
the correct adjective is "sick."
How well would Jamal shoot if he only took good shots? I think he'd be one of the best shooters in the league. It's fun watching him dice up guys but sometimes I wish he just set up easier shots. When he plays off CP and gets a good pass, he's pretty [B]d[/B]amn good at knocking down those shots.
If Refs start correctly calling him for carrying, then he's out of this league in an instant
[QUOTE=bingoa]If Refs start correctly calling him for carrying, then he's out of this league in an instant[/QUOTE]
This is what you think about when you watch Jamal Crawford dribble? I feel sorry for you. You're missing out.
[quote]How well would Jamal shoot if he only took good shots? I think he'd be one of the best shooters in the league. It's fun watching him dice up guys but sometimes I wish he just set up easier shots. When he plays off CP and gets a good pass, he's pretty damn good at knocking down those shots.[/quote]
True story. I don't see Crawford as one of these guys who can only shoot off the dribble (like Wade, Lebron, TMac, Cassell, etc). If he adapted his game to mostly a spot-shooter, or even went all-out and tried to become Rip Hamilton, I bet he could do it very well.
I hate his shot selection now though.
Yes. So does Kyrie Irving. It comes natural to them.
Players like Chris Paul and Manu have them too, but they only use it when they need to.
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill]Yes. So does Kyrie Irving. It comes natural to them.
Players like Chris Paul and Manu have them too, but they only use it when they need to.[/QUOTE]
You're wrong.
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...Bitch.