Tim Duncan vs Centers

We have heard that TD is the GOAT PF, which is agreeable but he also played some center. So how would he stack against the centers?

How many centers in their prime would you take over prime Tim Duncan?

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZyzJTnnNdQ[/url]

Tim is the man :bowdown:

One of many great F-C's ... Patrick Ewing, Pau Gasol, Chris Bosh, etc.

Hell Kevin Garnett has been playing center in today's league too.

Wilt
Shaq
Hakeem
Russell
Kareem
Moses?
Ewing?

[QUOTE=SCdac][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZyzJTnnNdQ[/url]

Tim is the man :bowdown:

One of many great F-C's ... Patrick Ewing, Pau Gasol, Chris Bosh, etc.

Hell Kevin Garnett has been playing center in today's league too.[/QUOTE]
Would you take him over Moses tho prime for prime? or Ewing/Robinson?

[QUOTE=Obama=ROY]Wilt
Shaq
Hakeem
Russell
Kareem
[B]Moses?
Ewing?[/B][/QUOTE]

not sure about those two.

[QUOTE=Bob Dole]5th best center. No argument over the ones above him.[/QUOTE]

Only 4 above him?? Which ones?

It's from [U]Is Tim Duncan One of the GOAT Centres?[/U] thread.

[QUOTE=Odinn]He didn't play at center in his prime. He played at PF. He played as PF. But comparing Duncan with other all-time great bigs? OK.

KAJ vs. Duncan > No doubt KAJ.
Russell vs. Duncan > No doubt Russell.
Shaq vs. Duncan > Shaq but slightly.
Wilt vs. Duncan > Wilt but slightly.
Hakeem vs. Duncan > Duncan but slightly.

And those are the top 5 centers ever already.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Odinn]Offensively;
Tier 1; KAJ - Wilt - Shaq - Hakeem
Tier 2; Duncan - Moses
Tier 3; Ewing - Nowitzki
Tier 4; Admiral - Garnett - Russell

Offense; I do not think there is not much to explain. What seperates Moses and Duncan from Tier 1, Tier 1 is all-time great scorers and all-time great big passers. Moses wasn't an all-time great big as for passing. And Duncan wasn't good enough to be called all-time great scorer. And what seperates Duncan and Dirk, Duncan drew much more attention and face much more double-teams. Scoring wise, Dirk is better. But not for overall offense.


Defensively;
Tier 1; Russell - Hakeem - Duncan - Wilt
Tier 2; KAJ - Shaq - Garnett - Ewing - DRob
Tier 3; Moses - Dirk

At their best KAJ and Shaq can match Tier 1's defensive level. But they weren't that consistent through their career. And I believe you'd highlight that I put Duncan into Tier 1 and Garnett into Tier 2. When you have 7 footer, you'd expect better rim protecting. Garnett was more versatile. But Duncan was a more impactful player. Ewing can be put into Tier 1 but I couldn't convince myself.


Rebounding;
Tier 1; Russell - Wilt - Moses
Tier 2; Duncan - Garnett - Shaq
Tier 3; Hakeem - DRob - Ewing - KAJ
Tier 4; Dirk

I expect a debate about Hakeem. But when we look at his career, we see that in his best days (93-95 span) he wasn't that great rebounder. He focused much more on offense and scoring. Kareem's number are inflated by 70s and 80s basketball but he was still on par with Tier 3 and I ranked him as Tier 3.


Overall impact on the court(much like a peak list);
Tier 1; KAJ - Wilt - Shaq - Hakeem
Tier 2; Duncan
Tier 3; Russell - Moses
Tier 4; Nowitzki - Garnett - Ewing
Tier 5; Admiral


But when it comes to making a goat list, that's my order;
1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
2. Bill Russell
3. Shaquille O'Neal
4. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Tim Duncan
6. Hakeem Olajuwon
7. Moses Malone
8. Dirk Nowitzki
9. Patrick Ewing
10. Kevin Garnett or David Robinson
11. David Robinson or Kevin Garnett[/QUOTE]

I started to consider putting Duncan into Tier 1 in Rebounding. The dude averaged nearly 10 rpg and 3 offensive boards in his recent seasons despite being over 35.

[QUOTE=Odinn]It's from [U]Is Tim Duncan One of the GOAT Centres?[/U] thread.





I started to consider putting Duncan into Tier 1 in Rebounding. The dude averaged nearly 10 rpg and 3 offensive boards in his recent seasons despite being over 35.[/QUOTE]


Duncan in Tier 1 defensively and Robinson in Tier 2...really? After Hakeem, Robinson is easily the greatest defensive player over the last 40 years. You have Robinson in a tier with Shaq...what the hell is shaq even doing with those guys you listed in the first place?

[QUOTE=Smoke117]Duncan in Tier 1 defensively and Robinson in Tier 2...really? After Hakeem, Robinson is easily the greatest defensive player over the last 40 years. You have Robinson in a tier with Shaq...what the hell is shaq even doing with those guys you listed in the first place?[/QUOTE]
Robinson was capable of being the better defensive player but he isn't. Duncan is smarter and rarely leaves off the floor unlike DRob whom reacted way too aggressively for every intend.

Like it or not, in his best days Shaq was a dominant defensive force too. It took guts to penetrate against Shaq. He blacked out the entire painted area. If someone picks an elite defensive big over peak Shaq for defense, his opinion is just based on reputations.

But I recall your posts about Admiral and your claims about him being as good as his potential which he was not. So I won't be participating in this matter from now on.