Contrived, Preconceived Stat Padding (Kobe v.s. LeBron)

[QUOTE=Money 23]Tonight, LeBron shot a stunning 13-14 from the field.

But on closer inspection, he was deliberately passing up shots to maintain a field goal percentage. Thus, contrived. We all know of his "competition" w/ teammate Wade to see who has the best field goal percentage every game.

When a player is passing up quality shots in order to pad a field goal percentage, isn't that just as bad for a team as say the recent crucifixion of Kobe Bryant for ... basically being phony in recent games passing up shots to pad assist totals, at the expense of quality shots for himself.

It's the same forged agenda, just different purposes. But no one has a problem when LeBron does it.

Hmmm ... No one else takes issue with this contradiction? Or fan hypocritical behavior and reception of the performances?

:biggums:[/QUOTE]

:facepalm

No.

If Lebron ended up 8 for 9 on FG's for 16 points and 8 assists then we could talk.

But he ended up 13 for 14 for 31 points, with 8 assists and 8 rebounds. There is no way you could possibly hate on that...:wtf:

Honestly, watching the Kobe and LeBron stans go at each other is like watching hardcore mainstream Fox News and MSNBC pundits at each other's necks. It's painful to see and both sides are so damn annoying.

Don't forget the 5 turnovers, he didn't even get an assist/turnover ratio of 2, that's not usual Lebron. The fact he gave up some open looks and forced passes is supported by the data at hand.

Though I don't get why it's an issue, this was a pointless regular season game vs the Bobcats, Lebron was just toying with them. In the playoffs he won't care about FG% and will make the best decision every time.

This was a lot more fun than OKC blowing a team out then sitting Durant/Westbrook in the 4th and hurting their stats. When everyone uses those numbers to criticise players, it's no wonder Lebron is stuffing that shit so no one can nitpick anything about his game. People forget these players are even better than their stats suggest.

OP makes a great point. Lebron is the biggest stat padding loser in the game. Its sickening to see how he plays the whole game looking at his fg%, he has said this himself. No wonder ppl praising him for these "accomplishments" are pre-teens who started watching the game 1 or 2 seasons ago and know nothing about greatness.

Disagreeing with this means you are 12 years old, and will get you negged.

[QUOTE=Money 23]Tonight, LeBron shot a stunning 13-14 from the field.

But on closer inspection, he was deliberately passing up shots to maintain a field goal percentage. Thus, contrived. We all know of his "competition" w/ teammate Wade to see who has the best field goal percentage every game.

When a player is passing up quality shots in order to pad a field goal percentage, isn't that just as bad for a team as say the recent crucifixion of Kobe Bryant for ... basically being phony in recent games passing up shots to pad assist totals, at the expense of quality shots for himself.

It's the same forged agenda, just different purposes. But no one has a problem when LeBron does it.

Hmmm ... No one else takes issue with this contradiction? Or fan hypocritical behavior and reception of the performances?

:biggums:[/QUOTE]

You're looking at it from a negative standpoint.

On a team with two or more stars its best that they emphasize quality shots moreso than pushing the issue. You emphasize quality because you got quality players. If one player sacrifices forced shots, its better for the other two players as they are more aware of ball movement, with their patience and turning down dubious shots, it almost assures that another player will get a better shot. As a point guard you are told to take quality shots and limit the quantity. Traditional point guards Chris Paul and Deron William are good examples of this. Its a floor balance priority if you have three guys that can score. Its why Magic was one of the games best winners and is the games best team player.

Rose is the exception. He was on a team where guys could not create very well from themselves and his quantity of shots caused enough chaos to keep teams off balance, with hopes of others capitalizing off of it. Kyrie is in the same position. Floor balance is not the priority, but breaking the defense down is mandatory.

Kobe had created an imbalance by emphasizing quantity over quality. Both Gasol and DH felt left out. But look at what is happening now.

Lebron and Wade talked about it knowing that Durant and Westbrook don't have the maturity to pull it off, and with hopes they might do the copycat thing. They might take the bait but they aren't wise enough to do it effectively at this stage.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBseRlgoSLc[/url]

In the Finals > vs the Bobcats

This guy just made a thread about how Lebron is so good he doesn't even get calls anymore, but he's being called a hater?



He at least looks to make basketball points. The Lebron "stans" are just as bad as the Kobe ones. Both sides are incredibly annoying and beyond shitty for basketball discussion. And attempting to be logical is such a pile of shit.


I've been called a Kobe fan the last couple weeks. A few months ago I was getting called a Lebron fan. That just means both of your sides are ****in stupid.


Good use of the word "organic".

[QUOTE=Whoah10115]I've been called a Kobe fan the last couple weeks. A few months ago I was getting called a Lebron fan. That just means both of your sides are ****in stupid.[/QUOTE]

Same shit happened to me and some of these losers actually anonymous neg you and call you names like "Kobetard" or "LeBrontard"...

Definitely agree with the last sentence.

It was analyzed earlier this season how Lebron was passing up taking long shots at the end of quarters just to protect his field goal percentage. Much like Rondo avoiding contact because he didn't want to go to the line, imo. But I only caught the end of the fourth of the game tonight so I couldn't honestly say.

[IMG]http://www.albany.com/byesline/check%20my%20stats2.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=LikeABosh]If by deliberately passing up shots you mean setting up teammates for easy buckets, ok.[/QUOTE]

You all say Rondo is statpadding when he does that. So either Rondo isn't or LeBron is.

Wait. Did the Heat lose?

[QUOTE=thesage]Wait. Did the Heat lose?[/QUOTE]


They beat the Bobcats.

lebron has been a statpadder throughout his career thats why hes not as impactful as the durants, shaq, dirk, cp3 of this league. it took 6 years for him to make his team contenders while durant only takes 3.

Who cares what your reason is for acting a certain way on the court...
The only thing that matters is whether whatever you're doing works.
Clearly, by any objective measure, what LeBron's doing out there works.

Maybe Brian Scalabrine plays the game in a selfless, "organic" manner, but ultimately it doesn't mean anything because he sucks compared to his peers, and guys like Kobe and LeBron, no matter how "contrived" their game, don't. It's as simple as that, really.

[QUOTE=knicksman]lebron has been a statpadder throughout his career thats why hes not as impactful as the durants, shaq, dirk, cp3 of this league. it took 6 years for him to make his team contenders while durant only takes 3.[/QUOTE]

LeBron never had a player of Westbrook, Harden, or even Ibakas caliber. Idiot.

Guy gets 31 8 and 8, shoots a great percentage, team wins, and yet we have people coming with criticism. Anything can get hated on. Anything.

[QUOTE=knicksman]lebron has been a statpadder throughout his career thats why hes not as impactful as the durants, shaq, dirk, cp3 of this league. it took 6 years for him to make his team contenders while durant only takes 3.[/QUOTE]
Lebron took his team to the playoffs in the 3rd season of his career and led them to the finals in his 4th. Just like Durant you stupid ****

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]Guy gets 31 8 and 8, shoots a great percentage, team wins, and yet we have people coming with criticism. Anything can get hated on. Anything.[/QUOTE]
This I'd understand if they lost or lebron completely took a notch down in scoring in order to help his FG% but he didn't. He scored 30+ points, got his team mates some buckets, and won the ****ing game.

People forget dude has 5TO.. He rather want to have a TO than taking a shot.. Thats equivalent to 5 missed shot.. So LeBron in reality has 13/20 fg.. Perfect game my ass..

[QUOTE=LikeABosh]Lebron took his team to the playoffs in the 3rd season of his career and led them to the finals in his 4th. Just like Durant you stupid ****[/QUOTE]
And the retarded knicks fan completely ignores durant had harden and westbrook on his side who sometimes out performed him in the playoffs and the finals. LeBron wishes he had those kind of players to rely on at that early age.

[QUOTE=KOBE143]People forget dude has 5TO.. He rather want to have a TO than taking a shot.. Thats equivalent to 5 missed shot.. So LeBron in reality has 13/20 fg.. Perfect game my ass..[/QUOTE]
and still so much better than kobe's career fg % and if we added his TO's oh my goodness

[QUOTE=Pacers4ever]This I'd understand if they lost or lebron completely took a notch down in scoring in order to help his FG% but he didn't. He scored 30+ points, got his team mates some buckets, and won the ****ing game.[/QUOTE]
Trolls will now criticize a player for taking the shots he thinks he has a good chance of making and passing up the ones he doesn't think are high-percentage. They are thinking their way into stupidity.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]Trolls will now criticize a player for taking the shots he thinks he has a good chance of making and passing up the ones he doesn't think are high-percentage. They are [B]thinking their way into stupidity.[/B][/QUOTE]
I like this and will be borrowing it. :oldlol:

Samurai Swoosh are you back to your old-self? Will ISH be flooded again with your stupid comments about Lebron like 1 or 2 years ago?

People, it's not like Lebron was passing up shots for Birdman to shoot jumpers or anything like it. He was passing up shots indeed, but to Bosh for his midrange jumper(which is usually money), to Battier, Allen for 3(who wouldn't though?), to Wade and Bosh under/around the basket for easy layups/dunks. Damn, these passes lead to very high percentage shots from his teammates which can only benefit his team. It's surely better than him taking tough fadeaway jumpers, sure it's nice to see, but not very effective.

People please be smart, you're critizing player for playing almost perfect game of basketball.

[QUOTE=LBJ 23]Samurai Swoosh are you back to your old-self? Will ISH be flooded again with your stupid comments about Lebron like 1 or 2 years ago?

People, it's not like Lebron was passing up shots for Birdman to shoot jumpers or anything like it. He was passing up shots indeed, but to Bosh for his midrange jumper(which is usually money), to Battier, Allen for 3(who wouldn't though?), to Wade and Bosh under/around the basket for easy layups/dunks. Damn, these passes lead to very high percentage shots from his teammates which can only benefit his team. It's surely better than him taking tough fadeaway jumpers, sure it's nice to see, but not very effective.

People please be smart, you're critizing player for playing almost perfect game of basketball.[/QUOTE]

by doing that isn't he admitting that he's a worse shooter than Bosh, Allen, or Battier? I thought according to his fans that he's the best shooter in the game... :facepalm

[QUOTE=STATUTORY]by doing that isn't he admitting that he's a worse shooter than Bosh, Allen, or Battier? I thought according to his fans that he's the best shooter in the game... :facepalm[/QUOTE]

Ask any rational lebron fan and all of them will tell you he's worse shooter than players you mentioned/nor is he the best shooter in the game.

Even better, find me one poster saying this. I think it's clear you're talking out of your ass and making shit up...

Typical Kobetard

[QUOTE=STATUTORY]by doing that isn't he admitting that he's a worse shooter than Bosh, Allen, or Battier? I thought according to his fans that he's the best shooter in the game... :facepalm[/QUOTE]
Allen and bosh are better shooters obviously. wide open battier shot > contested lebron shot. Lebron is a great spot up shooter not great at pulling up off the dribble.