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P.E.D and Roids in the NBA?
As a huge boxing (mma, kickboxing) fan I have seen more and more cases of fighters using P.E.Ds (performance enchancing drugs) and getting caught, with many experts predicting that there over 50-60% of fighters that use them and it is now become a huge problem (not just in boxing but in all sports e.g Lance Armstrong).
This got me thinking do you think that there could be a signifcant amount of players on some type of PEDs. I have never heard of anyone being busted for roids only canibus and other recreational in the NBA which begs me to ask do they test for roids and other PEDs? I can't belevie that no one in 10 years has been caught on them.
NBA players imo would be as likely if not more likely to take them because the sport is amazing stressful on the body, you travel every 2nd night and your main 8-9 guys pretty much play every 2nd night and have back to backs so recovery is essential (they would more likely take them for recovery not to put on muscle) Even though these guys are all elite athletes I find it very hard to beleive that there wouldn't be a decent amount of NBA players on them.
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rose and durant have both in the past implied that there are players using them
plus mayo and rashard lewis got caught.
so there is definitely some, its not really a big problem imo
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why not do something that will help you become a better athlete or help recovery when you know you can get away with it? i'll say around 99% of all pro athletes are on something or have been before.
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If a player gets hurt they should be able to use whatever it takes to get back on the court. But, aside from injury, I don't think they should be allowed.
In any case, there probably is a large percentage of players who are on something illegal......not just weed.
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As a keen gym enthusiast and past amateur bodybuilding competitor, I can't truthfully believe that even with the best genetics and nutrition and training that an NBA team can provide. That Lebron James, Karl Malone and Ben Wallace aren't chemically enhanced.
Getting to that size alone is near impossible naturally, and would take the better part of a decade to reach such size and tone. But to have to do it while participating in so many games and cardiovascular training is impossible naturally. Couple this with the agility and speed that such players have an it's generally implausible for such progress to be made without artificial help.
I'm sure that many other of the players in the league use enhancers as well. I'm not all that aware of the NBA's drug testing policy but it was pretty heavily critcized recently.
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[QUOTE=Trentknicks]As a keen gym enthusiast and past amateur bodybuilding competitor, I can't truthfully believe that even with the best genetics and nutrition and training that an NBA team can provide. That Lebron James, Karl Malone and Ben Wallace aren't chemically enhanced.
Getting to that size alone is near impossible naturally, and would take the better part of a decade to reach such size and tone. But to have to do it while participating in so many games and cardiovascular training is impossible naturally. Couple this with the agility and speed that such players have an it's generally implausible for such progress to be made without artificial help.
I'm sure that many other of the players in the league use enhancers as well. I'm not all that aware of the NBA's drug testing policy but it was pretty heavily critcized recently.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you there, also I beleive if the NBA knew of a problem that they would probably not do much about it cause more than likely result in the suspension of some good players which would not be good for the overall product.
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[QUOTE=andremiller07]I agree with you there, also I beleive if the NBA knew of a problem that they would probably not do much about it cause more than likely result in the suspension of some good players which would not be good for the overall product.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure there is a general consensus around the league that their is frequent use but it seems to fly under the radar.
"Drug-testing" isn't always what you expect either. Events like Mr Olympia & the Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic have 'drug testing', but they test for cocaine, weed and amphetamines, which is a total joke.
EDIT: I read a story a while back (didn't save link) where a sport's journalist was suggesting Lebron used steroids to bulk up one Cleveland offseason. Apparently he gained something like 30lb in one offseason, but this wasn't listed as such. Also explains why height and weight listing is so inconsistent in the league and players are generally always over listed in both categories.
Leaves room for the player to use and bulk into the listed weight and if measured won't arouse any suspicions. Also for the unaware, steroids can be flushed out of the system and masked by certain drugs within a month or so of use.
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[QUOTE=Trentknicks]As a keen gym enthusiast and past amateur bodybuilding competitor, I can't truthfully believe that even with the best genetics and nutrition and training that an NBA team can provide. That Lebron James, Karl Malone and Ben Wallace aren't chemically enhanced.
Getting to that size alone is near impossible naturally, and would take the better part of a decade to reach such size and tone. But to have to do it while participating in so many games and cardiovascular training is impossible naturally. Couple this with the agility and speed that such players have an it's generally implausible for such progress to be made without artificial help.
I'm sure that many other of the players in the league use enhancers as well. I'm not all that aware of the NBA's drug testing policy but it was pretty heavily critcized recently.[/QUOTE]
Spot on man. There's no way players aren't taking PEDs and steroids in the NBA.
The only thing I am surprised at is that Rose and Durant hinted at it, I would have thought they were on it too!
I know Rose made the comment before his injury, but right now HGH would help with his recovery a ton. As for Durant, PEDs can enhance his strength gains, especially now he wants to grab more rebounds.
err, not that I am condoning the use of these illegal drugs...:eek:
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Wade just trying to be like the Crimson Chin.
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DWade
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Crimson DWade
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[QUOTE=hawke812][IMG]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TIF6Bt3IJ_4/T0sqyjQic9I/AAAAAAAAAmg/HbBlpV2Zub8/s400/dwyane-wade-04.jpg[/IMG]
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With that jaw, I bet Wade could out bite a pit bull.
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You have to look at what is at stake.
For a young promising player it is :
-Going to the NBA, earning millions of dollars, being famous
or
-Going back to a shitty city where you'll have no job because you didn't have any good academic education.
And the selection process for the NBA is soooo dependant on athletic abilities. Hell, in the draft camp they even measures the jumping abilities etc. So it is quite obvious that many young players are using drugs. And it's not like anti-doping in the NCAA or NBA is serious.
Then, once in the NBA, you have well organized medical staff, you have money, and you have stakes. Same thing. Does anybody believe that gaining 20 pounds of muscle in 4 months between the draft and the preseason is feasable without drugs ? The guys lift weight in a gym for years to gain pound by pound, and gain 20 pounds when they enter the NBA in 4 months.
I would'nt be surprised also if they took some things to help them stand the long season too
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[QUOTE=vinvin01]You have to look at what is at stake.
For a young promising player it is :
-Going to the NBA, earning millions of dollars, being famous
or
-Going back to a shitty city where you'll have no job because you didn't have any good academic education.
And the selection process for the NBA is soooo dependant on athletic abilities. Hell, in the draft camp they even measures the jumping abilities etc. So it is quite obvious that many young players are using drugs. And it's not like anti-doping in the NCAA or NBA is serious.
Then, once in the NBA, you have well organized medical staff, you have money, and you have stakes. Same thing. Does anybody believe that gaining 20 pounds of muscle in 4 months between the draft and the preseason is feasable without drugs ? The guys lift weight in a gym for years to gain pound by pound, and gain 20 pounds when they enter the NBA in 4 months.
I would'nt be surprised also if they took some things to help them stand the long season too[/QUOTE]
Basically. I guess 90% use them. Then when an individual player denies it you can always say: Obviously you are in the clean 10%. :roll:
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[QUOTE=hawke812]Wade just trying to be like the Crimson Chin.
[IMG]http://www.nba.com/media/allstar2006/wade_300_051203.jpg[/IMG]
DWade
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Crimson DWade
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[QUOTE=Trentknicks]As a keen gym enthusiast and past amateur bodybuilding competitor, I can't truthfully believe that even with the best genetics and nutrition and training that an NBA team can provide. That Lebron James, Karl Malone and Ben Wallace aren't chemically enhanced.
Getting to that size alone is near impossible naturally, and would take the better part of a decade to reach such size and tone. But to have to do it while participating in so many games and cardiovascular training is impossible naturally. Couple this with the agility and speed that such players have an it's generally implausible for such progress to be made without artificial help.
I'm sure that many other of the players in the league use enhancers as well. I'm not all that aware of the NBA's drug testing policy but it was pretty heavily critcized recently.[/QUOTE]
:applause: well said
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I'm pretty sure that within 10 years it will come out that 80% of the nba is using HGH
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PEDs are used in every professional sport.
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[QUOTE=Trentknicks]As a keen gym enthusiast and past amateur bodybuilding competitor, I can't truthfully believe that even with the best genetics and nutrition and training that an NBA team can provide. That Lebron James, Karl Malone and Ben Wallace aren't chemically enhanced.[/QUOTE]
This is just dumb. LeBron and Malone are big, but they have nothing on NFLers like Julius Peppers who are truly massive. If baseball has taught us anything it is that there is no "roider look." You can't just pin-point the most ripped players in the league and assume that it was nothing but steroids.
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[QUOTE=2LeTTeRS]This is just dumb. LeBron and Malone are big, but they have nothing on NFLers like Julius Peppers who are truly massive. If baseball has taught us anything it is that there is no "roider look." You can't just pin-point the most ripped players in the league and assume that it was nothing but steroids.[/QUOTE]
Football players are on PEDs, too... they probably can get away with being more massive because they don't have to run up and down for 40 minutes.
You are in denial, bro.
-Smak
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I'm convinced Wade took them after his knee surgery before the 2009 season.
"As a keen gym enthusiast and past amateur bodybuilding competitor, I can't truthfully believe that even with the best genetics and nutrition and training that an NBA team can provide. That Lebron James, Karl Malone and Ben Wallace aren't chemically enhanced."
- sorry about your pedestrian genes.
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I pretty much assume now adays that any top athletes are on something. Since NBA players among th top athletes in the world, I assume most of them are on something. Doesn't make you make shots, doesn't make you have a good basketball IQ. At the end of the day that is what separates the the greats from the goods and the garbage. Athleticism, speed, and strength are quite often wasted in the NBA by people without actual skill. I think people worry about it too much. That is just my very humble opinion though.
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[QUOTE=2LeTTeRS]This is just dumb. LeBron and Malone are big, but they have nothing on NFLers like Julius Peppers who are truly massive. If baseball has taught us anything it is that there is no "roider look." You can't just pin-point the most ripped players in the league and assume that it was nothing but steroids.[/QUOTE]
I don't get it either where in LeBron does it look like he'd using PEDs? I have more definition in my body then lebron but lebron is just bigger than me and that's just genetically. I mean do you expect people that tall not to work or anything? If I was 6'8 and went to the gym every day I would probably look bigger than lebron but nothing that I see in lebron looks impossible to acquire like the other poster said. Please post his roid muscles and abs because I don't see them :confusedshrug:
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Many are on cocktails of substances. No doubt.
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The argument that you can just look at someone and determine if they used PED's can only be made when there is such a crazy contrast between the time they weren't and the time they were. It is also important to try to look at players after they have fully developed.
Basically what I'm saying is that there is no "look" for roiders.
Do I think NBA players use this stuff? Hell yes I do. But who it is idk.
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[QUOTE=hawke812]Wade just trying to be like the Crimson Chin.
[IMG]http://www.nba.com/media/allstar2006/wade_300_051203.jpg[/IMG]
DWade
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Crimson DWade
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[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvAeWR-aE6U[/url]
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[QUOTE=inclinerator]jeremy lin[/QUOTE]
yea he gained 20 pounds of muscle quickly
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[QUOTE=Pacers4ever]I don't get it either where in LeBron does it look like he'd using PEDs? I have more definition in my body then lebron but lebron is just bigger than me and that's just genetically. I mean do you expect people that tall not to work or anything? [B]If I was 6'8 and went to the gym every day I would probably look bigger than lebron[/B] but nothing that I see in lebron looks impossible to acquire like the other poster said. Please post his roid muscles and abs because I don't see them :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll:
You are delusional
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[QUOTE=bmulls]:roll: :roll:
You are delusional[/QUOTE]
You really think lebron goes to the gym every day ?
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I work out in my home gym every day I don't see how I could not be bigger than that ^ if I had the same genetics/height as him
where is he even close to being on roids there?
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Anyone who doesn't believe that there's wide spread use in most sports these days is fooling themselves. There's numerous articles if you do a google search about how poor the NBA testing is and how easy it is to by pass. The issue is that the leagues have no incentive to catch drug cheats as that only hurts their sports. I think if we could honestly see who was on hgh and other banned substances there would be a bucketload of guys that have no signs and no one expected.
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Looks like natural growth to me. I don't see how P.E.D would help anyone but bigs like Bynum. Hell, most bigs are skinny compared to shorter pro wrestlers and football players. Most basketball players don't even have abs or muscle tone.
I'm not saying some players don't take enhancement but I don't think many players do. If Lebron James was on steroids he would jump to 280-300lbs. Which honestly wouldn't be too big considering how tall he is.
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[QUOTE=WolfGang]Looks like natural growth to me. I don't see how P.E.D would help anyone but bigs like Bynum. Hell, most bigs are skinny compared to shorter pro wrestlers and football players. Most basketball players don't even have abs or muscle tone.
I'm not saying some players don't take enhancement but I don't think many players do. If Lebron James was on steroids he would jump to 280-300lbs. Which honestly wouldn't be too big considering how tall he is.[/QUOTE]
How many times do people need to be told that the common misconception that all P.E.D's do is make you bigger is a myth? There's banned drugs that help NBA type athletes around that I'm sure get used. You don't think substances that help you perform longer are useful? Drugs that help you recover from injuries? Drugs that help your muscles recover faster in between work outs?
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[QUOTE=outbreak]How many times do people need to be told that the common misconception that all P.E.D's do is make you bigger is a myth? There's banned drugs that help NBA type athletes around that I'm sure get used. You don't think substances that help you perform longer are useful? Drugs that help you recover from injuries? Drugs that help your muscles recover faster in between work outs?[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't taking something that gives you prolonged energy make you crash eventually? Could someone last 82 games taking something like that? I don't really think players take it because I've seen too many players fatigued(and play bad) after long stretches.
Drugs that help you recover from injuries sound a lot like something people call "medicine." Why would trained professionals need help recovering from workouts they have been doing since they were like 14? It's not like they lift hella weights or anything, because if they did then Kevin Durant would be Lebron's size by now. If rookies can come out and play 82 games straight then I don't see why vets can't.
I can see the old heads like Kobe and Duncan taking them.
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I assume a large portion of the NBA takes ped's and I think it would be naive to think differently.
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[QUOTE=outbreak][B]How many times do people need to be told that the common misconception that all P.E.D's do is make you bigger is a myth? [/B]There's banned drugs that help NBA type athletes around that I'm sure get used. You don't think substances that help you perform longer are useful? Drugs that help you recover from injuries? Drugs that help your muscles recover faster in between work outs?[/QUOTE]
But you do realize that 90% of ISHers that claim a player is using PEDs is based onhow big they look? Like the guy you're quoting is quoting (quoteception). Based on you're discription of PED's you can't make a real case that D12 is using PEDs it would all just be subjective/opinionative with no factual evidence. Either way like I said before if you read what most people post on here in ISH you will see posters saying a player used PED's just by looking at them :lol
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As some have already said, not every PED, steroid, or supplement makes you big. Every single Olympic sprinter you know the name of is taking something "illegal", no way Bolt is breaking records of known juicers. Genetics don't make up that big of a difference when talking about the .2% luckiest genes.
So yes, NBA players use something. With the amount of cardio they do, especially in season, they would lose massive amounts of size, yet barely any do. Then during a 3 month offseason many players come back to camp 20 to 30 lbs heavier but still in good enough cardiovascular shape to play 44 minutes of basketball.
I'm not sure how many of you have tried putting on size/weight (especially when you already weight 200+ lbs) but 10lbs a month is insane. Even gaining 30lbs in 3 months of mixed fat and muscle is overly impressive, let alone when these guys come back in looking at a sub 12% body fat.
And to anyone questioning LeBron James or Howard's use, claiming natural progression, look at the delts. That's the biggest give away to steroids (although nothing is 100%), especially being basketball players there is little need for any direct delt work, if at all. Yet these guys have softballs in their shoulders and keep them year around.
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LeBron has never used them ... he's just one of those rare genetic freaks of nature that come along every couple decades or so
Wade has used roids, it was very noticeable following his injury plagued season in 2007 and 2008. It speeds up recovery, he looked visibly bigger / more muscular, and all of a sudden in the 2008 Olympics he was doing windmill dunks.
He wasn't even doing that a couple years prior when he was younger, lighter, and with fresher legs.
Kobe took them in the summer of 2002 heading into the 2002 - 2003 campaign. In July at Rucker Park he was the same size he was the previous season, then on media day just a month later he comes in 15 lbs of pure muscle heavier.
You can't do that naturally in a month time frame. Believe me, I know.
He took them again in 2004 - 2005 to recover from all his injuries and slight frame from the previous year (got too big in the process)
Strength doesn't matter as much in basketball, but the steroids aid recovery time of injuries and brittle bodies.
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[QUOTE=ThickassGlasses]As some have already said, not every PED, steroid, or supplement makes you big. Every single Olympic sprinter you know the name of is taking something "illegal", no way Bolt is breaking records of known juicers. Genetics don't make up that big of a difference when talking about the .2% luckiest genes.
So yes, NBA players use something. With the amount of cardio they do, especially in season, they would lose massive amounts of size, yet barely any do. Then during a 3 month offseason many players come back to camp 20 to 30 lbs heavier but still in good enough cardiovascular shape to play 44 minutes of basketball.
I'm not sure how many of you have tried putting on size/weight (especially when you already weight 200+ lbs) but 10lbs a month is insane. Even gaining 30lbs in 3 months of mixed fat and muscle is overly impressive, let alone when these guys come back in looking at a sub 12% body fat.
And to anyone questioning LeBron James or Howard's use, claiming natural progression, look at the delts. That's the biggest give away to steroids (although nothing is 100%), especially being basketball players there is little need for any direct delt work, if at all. [B]Yet these guys have softballs in their shoulders and keep them year around.[/B][/QUOTE]
So you're saying they don't work out regular because that's just bull, go look at lebrons work out (and lebrons hell week before last season started) and other nba ballers they can have strct routines in taking care of their body. Just because they are basketball players doesn't mean they don't workout :biggums: and once again lebrons stature is only impressive because of his height but he has barely any definition worth "WOWing" Although his shoulders aren't even that impressive wouldn't this help him achieve those "soft balls" you say he has? [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl4ZQlgIA80[/url] and [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nE7YlfHAZ0[/url] (by the way playing basketball actually helps you're shoulder muscle growth) Also for the usain bolt statement and that .2% which is once again bull wouldn't you say if the.2% were true that a person who was lucky enough to have those genes use them in athletic competitions? Not saying usain doesn't use PEDs because he might but it's possible he could of done it naturally
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Don't these NBA players get tested for the olympics? I don't know how long the trace of steroids last, but wouldn't one of these players been caught by now playing in the olympics. And to the poster who said Usain Bolt is on drugs, I have a very hard time believing that. He probably gets the strictest tests out of anyone.