If LeBron went to college, how much do you think he would have averaged?

I say about 26 PPG, 10 RPG, 4 APG

[QUOTE=Shade8780]I say about 26 PPG, 10 RPG, 4 APG[/QUOTE]

I do not think he would averaged as many points because in college the offense is not as wide open but probably 20pts 5 assists

[QUOTE=GoSpursGo1984]I do not think he would averaged as many points because in college the offense is not as wide open but probably 20pts 5 assists[/QUOTE]
How much did Jimmer average for a while? 28 or so I think. LeBron could have averaged +30 points in an offense centered around him (as it should be).

Most college coaches would see his abilities and let him do his best impersonation of '87 MJ IMO.

23 points, 12 rebounds, 6 assists, 2 blocks, 2 steals on 52% FG and 75% FT

[QUOTE=GoSpursGo1984]I do not think he would averaged as many points because in college the offense is not as wide open but probably [B][I][U]20pts 5 assists[/U][/I][/B][/QUOTE]
He averaged 20.9ppg and 5.9 apg in his rookie season against NBA players and you expect him to average less than that against scrubs.

Yeah that makes a lot of sense

[QUOTE=arifgokcen]He averaged 20.9ppg and 5.9 apg in his rookie season against NBA players and you expect him to average less than that against scrubs.

Yeah that makes a lot of sense[/QUOTE]

But you have to think there would be games where they'd blow teams out and LeBron would sit to rest and prevent injury. That would pull his numbers down a bit.

[QUOTE=chosen_one6]But you have to think there would be games where they'd blow teams out and LeBron would sit to rest and prevent injury. That would pull his numbers down a bit.[/QUOTE]

He is playing against inferior competition you try putting it everyway his stats is not gonna take a hit.Had that been true his high school stats would have taken a hit in the first place.His team lost only 6 times(2 games was forfeit and some other thing) during his entire highschool career.His HS school team in his senior year was so dominant that they didnt have a close game.One loss was actually forfeit.His stats were 31.6ppg 9.6rpg 4.6apg .

So please stop the argument.

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[QUOTE=arifgokcen]He averaged 20.9ppg and 5.9 apg in his rookie season against NBA players and you expect him to average less than that against scrubs.

Yeah that makes a lot of sense[/QUOTE]
Players in the past have increased their numbers their rookie year in the league.

Compare his stats from his first year in NBA with other stars who attended college and a few extra points for special talent.

Kevin Durant and Melo averaged 20 ppg in their first year in NBA, just like Lebron and they ended up at 22 ppg(Melo) and 26(Durant) ppg in College. And since Lebron was much better than those guys at 18, I'd say 25 ppg, 10 rpg and 5 apg.

Lesser numbers than most people would think. Lebron doesn't strike me as the type of guy to put up monster numbers on college. It's a different type of game. You don't just gather a head of steam and bowl everyone over and dunk on them in NCAA ball. And the passing lanes aren't as wide open. That's why top PG prospects usually have way better numbers in the pros, while guys who are really good at coming off screens and catch/shooting, and who have lots of off-ball and on-ball moves often put up huge numbers (Nick Young, Morrison, Juan Dixon, and of course JJ Reddick). Plus, the game is only 40 minutes.

He would have been dominant, but I bet he wouldn't put up Durant-type numbers. Heck, their rookie years, people weren't sure if Melo outperformed him. He barely put up 20ppg. In an NBA that favors individual numbers, on a team that just gave him the ball all the time.

Dwyane Wade averaged about 22ppg his soph year of college. I'd put Lebron around there. He certainly wouldn't have put up 30+.

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[QUOTE=upside24]How much did Jimmer average for a while? 28 or so I think. LeBron could have averaged +30 points in an offense centered around him (as it should be).

Most college coaches would see his abilities and let him do his best impersonation of '87 MJ IMO.[/QUOTE]

Jimmer is a pure shooter. The college game tends to benefit guys that are pure shooters. Lebron is not a pure shooter, but depending on what type of system he played in he would have put up great numbers.

[QUOTE=senelcoolidge]Jimmer is a pure shooter. [B]The college game tends to benefit guys that are pure shooters[/B]. Lebron is not a pure shooter, but depending on what type of system he played in he would have put up great numbers.[/QUOTE]
That's true.

Some of you seem to have very little grasp on how college basketball works. The systems in place at the vast majority of the major programs, with other elite prospects, do not lend themselves to one player coming in and putting up big time numbers. Not to the extent of something like 25-12-5 like some of you are saying. Obviously it would depend on where he went to school. If he had stayed home and went to Ohio State (like he claims) then I think his numbers would've been better than somewhere like Kentucky, UNC, Duke, etc. There's plenty of instances where the best players in college came in and put put better numbers their rookie season in the NBA than they ever did in college.

I'd have to look, but I'm pretty sure in what would've been his one year of college basketball (because I'm assuming he would've been a one-and-done even thought that was before the rule was put in place) Ohio State wasn't any good, so LeBron would've had to carry the team. So, if LeBron played at Ohio State I don't think something like a 22-10-5 stat line would've been out of the question. I believe Carmelo was a 20+ and 10 guy his one year at Syracuse.

But if he goes to one of the "Blue Blood" schools, then something like 18-20 PPG, 7-8 RPG, and 4-5 APG is probably more realistic. Those systems, and the number of blowouts those teams find themselves in every year, just don't lend themselves to any one player putting up huge numbers. On top of that, there's less floor spacing and more zone defenses in college. Two things that don't play into LeBron's strengths.

[QUOTE=arifgokcen]He averaged 20.9ppg and 5.9 apg in his rookie season against NBA players and you expect him to average less than that against scrubs.

Yeah that makes a lot of sense[/QUOTE]
He never even avg 30 in high school. 20 seems about right.

[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]He never even avg 30 in high school. 20 seems about right.[/QUOTE]
In his senior year he averaged 30.4 PPG

[QUOTE=arifgokcen]He is playing against inferior competition you try putting it everyway his stats is not gonna take a hit.Had that been true his high school stats would have taken a hit in the first place.His team lost only 6 times(2 games was forfeit and some other thing) during his entire highschool career.His HS school team in his senior year was so dominant that they didnt have a close game.One loss was actually forfeit.His stats were 31.6ppg 9.6rpg 4.6apg .

So please stop the argument.[/QUOTE]

College is different than high school. There is no argument when it comes to that. You must not watch very much college basketball.

25-30 ppg
10-15 rpg
6-11 apg

college is about team ball not superstar ball. lebron would average 17 points 7 points and 7 rebounds.

[QUOTE=pauk]25-30 ppg
10-15 rpg
6-11 apg[/QUOTE]

who has ever averaged 25-30 points there first year of college the last 20years?

[QUOTE=nathanjizzle]who has ever averaged 25-30 points there first year of college the last 20years?[/QUOTE]

Michael Beasley 26.2 PPG :pimp:

College is a lot more physical and half court centric. Lebron as a rookie was a horrible halfcourt player and even more of a pansy then he is today. A fair statline would be

16 ppg 5rpg 3 apg on 43/22/68 shooting.

on a 20-22 win team that loses in the first round of the tourney

Damn. Someone beat me to the grade point average joke.

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[QUOTE=pauk]25-30 ppg
10-15 rpg
6-11 apg[/QUOTE]
This troll can't be taken seriously ... AT ALL

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His numbers would've been like his first season in the league. I will say this though, it's a shame the rule of going to college wasn't in place in 2003.

LeBron would have benefitted from the look of the college game. Teaches you how to play off the ball, catch and shoot, etc.

Kobe could've even used a year or two of college as well. I advise at the least these players should ideally go for two years of college before going pro.

[QUOTE=DuMa]Michael Beasley 26.2 PPG :pimp:[/QUOTE]

lol pwned him

[QUOTE=pauk]25-30 ppg
10-15 rpg
6-11 apg[/QUOTE]


Let's split the difference: 27.5 ppg, 12.5 rpg, 8.5 apg is what you're basically saying. Either you're being very blinded for your creepy LeBron love, or you have zero clue on how college basketball works.

Like I and others have already said, the college game does not lend itself an individual putting up great all-around numbers like that. Durant put up big scoring numbers but the college game plays into his strengths perfectly. He's always played off the ball better than LeBron, and the college 3P line was like child's play for Durant.

It'd honestly depend on where he went to school because I think his numbers could vary quite a bit depending on the coach he played for and that coach's system. Still, most college teams, even the best ones with the best athletes, are more half-court oriented on offense relying on ball-movement and screens to get open looks. There's hardly any one-on-one ISO in college.

I just don't think LeBron's raw skillset coming out of college lends itself to him putting up gaudy scoring numbers (25+ PPG) as a college freshman. I do think he would've averaged around 10 RPG and 5-6 APG, but don't feel he'd be the same type of scorer in college as someone like Durant.

also Durant also scored 25.8ppg in his only year with Texas.

I think Lebron could have scored around the same if he had gone to OSU.

College game is too different to compare his rookie year. Sure he would have been dominant but unless he was at a small school that built their offence for him he wouldn't put up some of the numbers proposed in here. Doesn't lend itself to his type of bowl everyone over and hope for an open lane or a foul play style. He may have developed a post game there though and a better jumper. IMO he'd be more dominant today if he went to college and learnt to not be so raw.

[QUOTE=chosen_one6]College is different than high school. There is no argument when it comes to that. You must not watch very much college basketball.[/QUOTE]

Dude are you for real.

First of all dont come around talking like politician.Decide on your basis for rebuttal and then go from there.You said blowout then now you say college basketball is different.Just look up stats from [URL="http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/statistics/player/_/stat/scoring-per-game/sort/avgPoints/year/2003"][COLOR="Red"][U]HERE[/U][/COLOR][/URL].

A lot of players score more than 20ppg in their first year and this is lebron we are talking about.He was 240 in HS senior year.He was bigger and stronger than almost every nba player at his position at 17-18 years old.Dont you think he can at least muster up michael beasley kind of numbers after averaging 31.6ppg 9.6rpg 4.6apg 3.8spg in HS


[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]He never even avg 30 in high school. 20 seems about right.[/QUOTE]
Check the stats in his junior year he averaged 29ppg then 31.6ppg in his senior year

No but seriously, Lebron at that age was alot more NBA ready (arguably the most talented and physically gifted player ever at that age) than maybe all players in NBA history...... you need to keep that in mind... 20-5-5 would be an absolute minimum and mostly a result of to little minutes than anything else...

[QUOTE=Miller for 3]College is a lot more physical and half court centric. Lebron as a rookie was a horrible halfcourt player and even more of a pansy then he is today. A fair statline would be

16 ppg 5rpg 3 apg on 43/22/68 shooting.

on a 20-22 win team that loses in the first round of the tourney[/QUOTE]

:lol acting like lebron would struggle playing college hoops. lebron was an nba all-star from the first game of his rookie season, he wouldn't play the same minutes or get the same stats but he would still easily be the best player. you saw what anthony davis was able to do. rookie lebron was even more nba ready

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIXl2Z53bvQ"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIXl2Z53bvQ[/URL]
beast. would just shit on the inferior competition of the ncaa

Depends on the school. MJ averaged like 20-6-4 in his last college year, then proceeded to average 28-6-6 in his rookie year.

[QUOTE=red1]:lol acting like lebron would struggle playing college hoops. lebron was an nba all-star from the first game of his rookie season, he wouldn't play the same minutes or get the same stats but he would still easily be the best player. you saw what anthony davis was able to do. rookie lebron was even more nba ready

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIXl2Z53bvQ"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIXl2Z53bvQ[/URL]
beast. would just shit on the inferior competition of the ncaa[/QUOTE]

Lebron was a poor rookie. Melo was better in their rookie years. Your thinking of current Lebron as a rookie, but it doesnt work that way. Rookie Lebron was a horrible defender and was often left unguarded like Rondo because he could not shoot at all. Plus he was a lot weaker and really struggled against big physical players (remember his "crying game" agains the Pistons when he left the court in tears?) 16/4/3 on 51 TS% is being very genorous. especially in the 2003 ACC or Big Ten, he would be lucky to put up 12 points a game

[QUOTE=arifgokcen]Dude are you for real.

First of all dont come around talking like politician.Decide on your basis for rebuttal and then go from there.You said blowout then now you say college basketball is different.Just look up stats from [URL="http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/statistics/player/_/stat/scoring-per-game/sort/avgPoints/year/2003"][COLOR="Red"][U]HERE[/U][/COLOR][/URL].

A lot of players score more than 20ppg in their first year and this is lebron we are talking about.He was 240 in HS senior year.He was bigger and stronger than almost every nba player at his position at 17-18 years old.Dont you think he can at least muster up michael beasley kind of numbers after averaging 31.6ppg 9.6rpg 4.6apg 3.8spg in HS



Check the stats in his junior year he averaged 29ppg then 31.6ppg in his senior year[/QUOTE]

So you honestly think that with the amount of zone run in college that LeBron would average 30 ppg? He had a very mediocre jumpshot coming out of high school, and this is coming from a huge LeBron fan. I highly doubt if teams guarded the paint against LeBron that he would have had such an easy time.

[QUOTE=chosen_one6]So you honestly think that with the amount of zone run in college that LeBron would average 30 ppg? He had a very mediocre jumpshot coming out of high school, and this is coming from a huge LeBron fan. I highly doubt if teams guarded the paint against LeBron that he would have had such an easy time.[/QUOTE]

I think the people saying LeBron would averaged 25-30 or more a game in college really don't watch much college basketball, if any at all. The best scorers in college, in terms of PPG and leading the nation and/or their conference or whatever, are usually very good shooters. Like you said, there's a lot of zone defense in college that just screams for guys like Jimmer, Durant, Morrison, Reddick, etc. to light up the scoreboard. Not sure LeBron would've been able to be as ball dominant in college as he was from day one in the NBA. College offenses are more team and ball movement oriented. Quick passing, ball-reversal, screens, double/stagger screens, etc. Only in extreme and rare situations do you see a coach call for a player to get the ball in an ISO situation. And, when you do, it's usually in a 1-4 flat type set at the end of the half or game.

I think LeBron's all-around numbers would be very good, but he just didn't have the type of game coming out of high school that lent itself to putting up big scoring numbers in college. Not that he wouldn't have the occasional 30 point game, but him averaging that many or close to that many? I don't see it.