Why do they call the five second back-to-basket rule the "Charles Barkley Rule"?

I never watched barkley play so I never really understood it

He would get the ball on a side pretty far from the basket and the other four teammates would be on the other side of the court. Rules back then meant you couldn't leave your man or it was illegal defense, so he'd just pound the ball, backing the guy down slowly, for like 15-20 seconds, then make a close hook shot or whatever.

Really boring to watch.

When he was old on the Rockets and all he had left was his rebounding and one on one ability in the post he might get it at the 3 point line and just bully his way into the paint backing down for 10-12 seconds and score. It worked. But it was ugly.

Mark Jackson was probably worse. He might post up for 15 seconds...starting at halfcourt. But he didnt even really have a reason. HE wasnt always even trying to score. Just protect the ball.

Dude had a body built to play in the post. He could post up anyone. If he had a bigger body against him, he would use his superior face up game and make a bucket. If he had a smaller body against him, he would mash that big ass butt and pound away for as long as it takes to get to the bucket.

I've heard it referred to as the Mark Jackson rule as well (more prominently FWIW). He backed down opposing points for large chunks of the shot clock in his day.

[QUOTE=fpliii]I've heard it referred to as the Mark Jackson rule as well (more prominently FWIW). He backed down opposing points for large chunks of the shot clock in his day.[/QUOTE]

That's because Mark Jackson backed opponents up from half-court :roll:

Is a dumb rule. It's like saying you can't dribble the ball for a certain amount of time. You should (especially since they changed illegal D) be able to post up as much as you want.

-Smak

they should remove that rule, now that you can double team

Barkley got it from Dantley.

[QUOTE=Droid101] Rules back then meant you couldn't leave your man or it was illegal defense, [/QUOTE]

No, illegal D was (when it was called) when you double-teamed a player without the ball from the weak side.

i thought it's the mark jackson rule?

[QUOTE=DuMa]Dude had a body built to play in the post. He could post up anyone. If he had a bigger body against him, he would use his superior face up game and make a bucket. If he had a smaller body against him, [B]he would mash that big ass butt and pound away for as long as it takes to get to the bucket.[/B][/QUOTE]

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[quote=SHAQisGOAT]No, illegal D was (when it was called) when you double-teamed a player without the ball from the weak side.[/quote]This is what I recall too. You could double on the ball, but not a player off the ball.

I've been watching NBA basketball my entire life and I've never once heard the 5 sec back-to-the-basket rule be referred to as the "Charles Barkley rule." I have heard the "Mark Jackson rule," though.

[QUOTE=SHAQisGOAT]No, illegal D was (when it was called) when you double-teamed a player without the ball from the weak side.[/QUOTE]
Right, that's what I'm saying. Nobody is going to run across the entire court to double. That's too much time with four men with only three defenders. Easy cut for a basket.

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You]Barkley got it from Dantley.[/QUOTE]


exactly


AD had a post-friendly body also

and for a guy with ZERO athleticism...no defender had a chance against him

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]
Mark Jackson was probably worse. He might post up for 15 seconds...starting at halfcourt. But he didnt even really have a reason. HE wasnt always even trying to score. Just protect the ball.[/QUOTE]
Now that i think about it, didn't Jesus have his back? Why so worried?

[QUOTE=Droid101]He would get the ball on a side pretty far from the basket and the other four teammates would be on the other side of the court. Rules back then meant you couldn't leave your man or it was illegal defense, so he'd just pound the ball, backing the guy down slowly, for like 15-20 seconds, then make a close hook shot or whatever.

Really boring to watch.[/QUOTE]

Yes they could. That's what's called a double team. Illegal defense was doubling a player without the ball. That arms length was as hard a rule to call as any rule in the book.

It's the most retarded rule ever created in the NBA to date. If you don't want a guy to post up for more than 5 seconds, then stop him from posting up. Why isn't there a rule for guys who stand at the top of they key dribbling for 15 seconds? How is that any more "exciting" than a player doing the same thing on the post? The fact that an arbitrary rule would even be created with the subjective argument of it's "boring" is ridiuclous.

The truth is, it's just another way for the NBA to emphasize perimeter play, in Stern's never ending attempt to create the next Michael Jordan.

[QUOTE=bdreason]It's the most retarded rule ever created in the NBA to date. If you don't want a guy to post up for more than 5 seconds, then stop him from posting up. Why isn't there a rule for guys who stand at the top of they key dribbling for 15 seconds? How is that any more "exciting" than a player doing the same thing on the post? The fact that an arbitrary rule would even be created with the subjective argument of it's "boring" is ridiuclous.

The truth is, it's just another way for the NBA to emphasize perimeter play, in Stern's never ending attempt to create the next Michael Jordan.[/QUOTE]

Preach!

And you could double the post with the old rules, it was just more difficult. The defender had to wait until the pass to the post was made before he could double, which made not only doubling harder, but recovering from the double insanely more difficult.

These days, you can double a player without the ball, which makes doubling the post easier, and more important, makes recovering from the double much easier. That's why teams like the Heat can play great half court defense without any good post defenders.

[QUOTE=bdreason]It's the most retarded rule ever created in the NBA to date. If you don't want a guy to post up for more than 5 seconds, then stop him from posting up. Why isn't there a rule for guys who stand at the top of they key dribbling for 15 seconds? How is that any more "exciting" than a player doing the same thing on the post? The fact that an arbitrary rule would even be created with the subjective argument of it's "boring" is ridiuclous.

The truth is, it's just another way for the NBA to emphasize perimeter play, in Stern's never ending attempt to create the next Michael Jordan.[/QUOTE]

:applause: :applause:

[QUOTE=bdreason]It's the most retarded rule ever created in the NBA to date. If you don't want a guy to post up for more than 5 seconds, then stop him from posting up. Why isn't there a rule for guys who stand at the top of they key dribbling for 15 seconds? How is that any more "exciting" than a player doing the same thing on the post? The fact that an arbitrary rule would even be created with the subjective argument of it's "boring" is ridiuclous.

The truth is, it's just another way for the NBA to emphasize perimeter play, in Stern's never ending attempt to create the next Michael Jordan.[/QUOTE]

Defensive 3 seconds and the restricted area are worse, but the Mark Jackson rule is #3 on my dumb rule list.

Defensive 3 just pisses me off beyond belief. You're objective is to keep the person on the other team from scoring, but you can't protect the basket for more than 3 seconds at a time without someone around you.

[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]Defensive 3 seconds and the restricted area are worse, but the Mark Jackson rule is #3 on my dumb rule list.

Defensive 3 just pisses me off beyond belief. You're objective is to keep the person on the other team from scoring, but you can't protect the basket for more than 3 seconds at a time without someone around you.[/QUOTE]


Just another rule created to make the game more difficult for bigmen, and easier for perimeter players.


Adding all of these arbitrary rules has also had a negative effect on officiating. Refs now have to count every time on a post up, count every time someone enters the paint, and watch for handchecks when they should be watching these players feet and calling them for all the ridiculous traveling violations.

I wouldn't be shocked if the NBA just eventually made it legal to take 3 steps. Anything to create more exciting dunks, am i rite?

[B]Barkley

[QUOTE=Scholar]I've been watching NBA basketball my entire life and I've never once heard the 5 sec back-to-the-basket rule be referred to as the "Charles Barkley rule." I have heard the "Mark Jackson rule," though.[/QUOTE]

I've been watching since the mid-80s, and I've heard it referred to as both. Chuck and Jax were notorious for eating up chunks of the clock.

Still, it's a stupid-ass rule. Always has been. If a team wants to use up most of its possession on one player using up most of the shot clock, that's on them.

Back in the day, the Chuckster used to take 10-15s to back down his defender.