Can't be traded for 30 days now. These fools better keep him.
[QUOTE]Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA 41s
Cavaliers signed No. 1 overall pick Andrew Wiggins today. He can't be traded for 30 days.[/QUOTE]
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Can't be traded for 30 days now. These fools better keep him.
[QUOTE]Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA 41s
Cavaliers signed No. 1 overall pick Andrew Wiggins today. He can't be traded for 30 days.[/QUOTE]
So I guess it's going to be Waiters+Bennett for Love instead?
[I]"Love is never lost. If not reciprocated, it will flow back and soften and purify the heart. "[/I]
People don't know what's going on. Someone on RCF said that if a trade is going to happen, it's going to happen soon now, if not soon, then not ever. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=fpliii]So I guess it's going to be Waiters+Bennett for Love instead?[/QUOTE]
Latest rumor was Waiters to Philly, Philly trades Thaddeus Young to Minnesota. Cleveland sends Bennett to Minnesota.
[QUOTE=fpliii]So I guess it's going to be Waiters+Bennett for Love instead?[/QUOTE]
Wolves aren't gonna bite if Wiggins isn't included, pretty sure.
[QUOTE=Meticode]Latest rumor was Waiters to Philly, Philly trades Thaddeus Young to Minnesota. Cleveland sends Bennett to Minnesota.[/QUOTE]
Ah I see.
Nothing against Thad Young, but why would Minny prefer him over Dion?
[QUOTE=fpliii]So I guess it's going to be Waiters+Bennett for Love instead?[/QUOTE]
I think it means there won't be a trade for 30 days (and Wiggings will be included), or that they are not getting Love. If Wiggins is not involved, then it would be Waiters+Bennett+picks+cap relief, so it doesn't make sense for Cleveland to tie up their cap space with this signing before the trade. They should be able to absorb bad contracts if Wiggins is not involved.
[QUOTE=KendrickPerkins]Wolves aren't gonna bite if Wiggins isn't included, pretty sure.[/QUOTE]
Do they take the Bulls offer then? Or is this going to go to the trade deadline?
[QUOTE=pegasus]I think it means there won't be a trade for 30 days (and Wiggings will be included), or that they are not getting Love. If Wiggins is not involved, then it would be Waiters+Bennett+picks+cap relief, so it doesn't make sense for Cleveland to tie up their cap space with this signing before the trade. They should be able to absorb bad contracts if Wiggins is not involved.[/QUOTE]
As much as I like FA, 30 more days of speculation would be insane.
[QUOTE=Meticode]Latest rumor was Waiters to Philly, Philly trades Thaddeus Young to Minnesota. Cleveland sends Bennett to Minnesota.[/QUOTE]
I'd be ****ing raging if I was a Minny fan and that went through. Thad Young and Bennett basically play the same position right? Except Bennett can shoot
[QUOTE=fpliii]Ah I see.
Nothing against Thad Young, but why would Minny prefer him over Dion?[/QUOTE]
Flip likes Young, and if they do the trade it feels like 2-3 immediate needs. Flip doesn't want to rebuild apparently, he wants to field a competitive team after the Love trade.
[QUOTE=fpliii]Do they take the Bulls offer then? [B]Or is this going to go to the trade deadline?[/B][/QUOTE]
Most likely will, IMO.
[QUOTE=BlackWhiteGreen]I'd be ****ing raging if I was a Minny fan and that went through. Thad Young and Bennett basically play the same position right? Except Bennett can shoot[/QUOTE]
Like I said, it's a rumor. Waiters is a Philly native, Philly has interest in him, Flip likes Young. I'm sure there would be a ton more players involved.
[QUOTE=fpliii]As much as I like FA, 30 more days of speculation would be insane.[/QUOTE]
Not much else is happening now that the majority of the FA's are signed. We got 36 days before the world cup starts.
[QUOTE=BlackWhiteGreen]I'd be ****ing raging if I was a Minny fan and that went through. Thad Young and Bennett basically play the same position right? Except Bennett can shoot[/QUOTE]
Flip Saunders is an idiot...
I don't see how one can read this deal one way or the other.
The teams could agree on a trade in principle with Wiggins and just make it official in 30 days.
Actually kind of see this as more of a sign that Wiggins is involved in the trade potentially because it makes any deal for Love far easier...especially if the Wolves are demanding a Martin dump.
I've said it the whole time.
Wiggins/Bennett/a pick or two/cap filler for Love/Martin/Dieng is the most fair trade. In order to make that deal...the Cavs have to get to like 19 million in outgoing money. Wiggins and Bennett combine for 11 million. I think they have like 3.5 million in unguaranteed money. Haywood is worth 2. So they aren't far off...
Hopefully that is what happens.
Welcome to the Wolves, Mr. Andrew Wiggins:banana:
I think it is fair to assume that the deal is done and Wiggins is involved at this point. The complete inaction by both the TWolves and the Cavs over the last few days speaks volumes. Damn shame.
I'll wait to see the deal before I levy a firm opinion, but I have a feeling this is going to be a thorough reaming.
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]I think it is fair to assume that the deal is done and Wiggins is involved at this point. The complete inaction by both the TWolves and the Cavs over the last few days speaks volumes. Damn shame.
I'll wait to see the deal before I levy a firm opinion, but I have a feeling this is going to be a thorough reaming.[/QUOTE]
I know a few posters have suggested it's not the case, but from the start it seemed like Cleveland had 100% of the leverage, and Minny had none whatsoever. Now, the TWolves have complete negotiating power somehow. What changed?
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]I think it is fair to assume that the deal is done and Wiggins is involved at this point. The complete inaction by both the TWolves and the Cavs over the last few days speaks volumes. Damn shame.
I'll wait to see the deal before I levy a firm opinion, but I have a feeling this is going to be a thorough reaming.[/QUOTE]
I agree with this.
Only hope for you is now that you either get back Dieng...or the Cavs have decided not to go after Love.
The signing makes it far easier to facilitate a deal...and this should be seen the way you did. Don't get what other people are smoking. The Cavs also signed Joe Harris as well...which is just more money to throw in.
Hopefully it's not as bad as those initial reports of absorbing Martin and facilitating Barea to a 3rd team with a pick as well. This could get ugly...or, even though I know you don't want to lose Wiggins...if they get back Dieng and don't mess around with Barea and a 3rd team...could actually be a good deal emotions aside.
Poor guy.
Dude can't even celebrate being the top pick because bran came in and didnt even mention his name in the letter & basically made wiggins look like nothing but an expendable item with enough trade value to help build his super team.
Brans a douche for that. Imagine Kobe going to the cavs in 03
& demanding they trade for Dirk at all cost including trading Lebron.
I really want the Cavs to be awesome and win a championship but it would almost be too perfect if they make a horrible trade and **** themselves. Get 3 number 1 picks in 4 years, have Lebron fall in your lap, and then proceed to **** it all up in less than a month. :lol
[QUOTE=fpliii]I know a few posters have suggested it's not the case, but from the start it seemed like Cleveland had 100% of the leverage, and Minny had none whatsoever. Now, the TWolves have complete negotiating power somehow. What changed?[/QUOTE]
Nothing changed, Wolves always had the leverage. Cavs couldn't outright sign Love next year so trading for him is the only option for them.
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]I agree with this.
Only hope for you is now that you either get back Dieng...or the Cavs have decided not to go after Love.
The signing makes it far easier to facilitate a deal...and this should be seen the way you did. Don't get what other people are smoking. The Cavs also signed Joe Harris as well...which is just more money to throw in.
Hopefully it's not as bad as those initial reports of absorbing Martin and facilitating Barea to a 3rd team with a pick as well. This could get ugly...or, even though I know you don't want to lose Wiggins...if they get back Dieng and don't mess around with Barea and a 3rd team...could actually be a good deal emotions aside.[/QUOTE]
LeBron's All-Star block party... coming to a town near you. :facepalm
[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]Poor guy.
Dude can't even celebrate being the top pick because bran came in and didnt even mention his name in the letter & basically made wiggins look like nothing but an expendable item with enough trade value to help build his super team.
Brans a douche for that. Imagine Kobe going to the cavs in 03
& demanding they trade for Dirk at all cost including trading Lebron.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKI8K7GP3NM[/url]
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]LeBron's All-Star block party... coming to a town near you. :facepalm[/QUOTE]
If they end up taking back Martin...and sending a pick to a 3rd team so Barea can be sent there. And don't get back Dieng...
Holy shit! This could get so bad...
Really pulling for you here buddy. :cheers:
Kevin Martin's contract is not even that bad...great sixth man for 7 mil per?
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]If they end up taking back Martin...and sending a pick to a 3rd team so Barea can be sent there. And don't get back Dieng...
Holy shit! This could get so bad...
Really pulling for you here buddy. :cheers:[/QUOTE]
:oldlol:
You are really helping to build a sense of dread for RBA.
[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]Kevin Martin's contract is not even that bad...great sixth man for 7 mil per?[/QUOTE]
It's actually good...it's about what it's costing the Cavs to facilitate that.
And it's not like he's a huge asset or something. Especially with Ray Allen coming to the Cavs. They'd much rather just have more cap room next summer.
This would be part of the deal in favor of the Wolves.
In order to fit Martin in...the Cavs have to include Haywood's great contract...and like 5 million of cap filler. Not the end of the world, but not only does it thin out their front line, but it kills their ability to make trades and hurts their cap the next few years.
That's bad enough, but if they have to give up another first rounder to get Barea to another team...while not getting back Dieng...it would be horrid.
[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb][url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKI8K7GP3NM[/url][/QUOTE]
Okay?
Totally differerent situation with a fringe lottery pick who had already played a season in the NBA vs the top pick in the draft who just signed his contract today & is the most hyped prospect of this era
If I had said "poor Bennett" then maybe your video would have been relevant.
[QUOTE=fpliii]I know a few posters have suggested it's not the case, but from the start it seemed like Cleveland had 100% of the leverage, and Minny had none whatsoever. Now, the TWolves have complete negotiating power somehow. What changed?[/QUOTE]
wolves had all the leverage from the moment lebron asked publicly for love
[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]Okay?
Totally differerent situation with a fringe lottery pick who had already played a season in the NBA vs the top pick in the draft who just signed his contract today [B]& is the most hyped prospect of this era[/B]
If I had said "poor Bennett" then maybe your video would have been relevant.[/QUOTE]
not really...anthony davis was a better prospect
The worst part is how pathetically bad their other offers are. :oldlol:
Cavs 'bout to give up the farm, essentially bidding against themselves.
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Amico: "I can tell you within the last 24-48 hours, Dan Gilbert and the owner of the #Timberwolves talked."
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[QUOTE=robert de niro]wolves had all the leverage from the moment lebron asked publicly for love[/QUOTE]
He actually never publicly asked for Love. So, I guess they don't have the leverage? :confusedshrug:
If they want Wiggins, Cavs should only give them Wiggins and nothing else. Don't lose the depth.
[QUOTE=robert de niro]wolves had all the leverage from the moment lebron asked publicly for love[/QUOTE]
cavs reportedly offered the #1 overall pick for Love before the draft but Love said he wouldn't sign..
[QUOTE=Nash]If they want Wiggins, Cavs should only give them Wiggins and nothing else. Don't lose the depth.[/QUOTE]
Not possible. There have to be other pieces involved for salary to match.
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]Not possible. There have to be other pieces involved for salary to match.[/QUOTE]
would Wiggins+Fillers from Utah work?
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]The worst part is how pathetically bad their other offers are. :oldlol:
Cavs 'bout to give up the farm, essentially bidding against themselves.
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Amico: Flip Saunders has a real crush on Andrew Wiggins. Maybe that's why (Cavs) drafted Wiggins, they'd get Kevin Love out of it."
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Amico: "I can tell you within the last 24-48 hours, Dan Gilbert and the owner of the #Timberwolves talked."
:facepalm[/QUOTE]
I hear you, but it's the other stuff that makes this a bad deal.
If it was the ONLY way to get Love. Wiggins/Bennet is worth it. I know you don't think that, but I could not feel more strongly he is.
It's the other shit that makes me want to throw up. Wasting valuable cap on Martin. Losing the Haywood contract. Not getting back Dieng. Including a first rounder....or potentially two in order to get Barea to a 3rd team. Losing future pick and assets to get unguaranteed money.
It's all that other stuff that is the problem.
If it was Love for Wiggins/Bennet/Lucas (which works money wise)...and that's it? No picks. That is easily worth it.