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As far as careers it won't even be close Steph is already 31 and will begin his decline soon. Offensively mj's destroys curry at the same age up until this point.
Even if you want to look at Steph's best season it's still doesn't compare to mj when you factor in playoffs and finals. Regular season yes Curry's 2016 was up there with mj.
Curry 2015 regular season
30.1 pts/ 6.7 ass/ 45% 3pt / 56% 2pt
Mj 1990 regular season
31.5% pts/ 5.5 ass/ 31% 3pt/ 53% 2 pt
I won't even harp on the easier scoring era and mj having to score in iso more. If u just look at there regular seasons offensively Steph was a little better.
The post season and finals which are tougher scoring conditions is a different story.
Curry 2016 playoffs
25.1/5.2 ass/40% 3pt/48% 2 pt
Mj 1991 playoffs
31.1/8.4 ass/39% 3 pt/ 53% 2 pt
So in the playoffs where teams and defences are better and refs let players play more you can see that Steph gets worse while mj gets better. In the finals there's even a bigger disparity as curry continues to get worse while mj gets even better.
Curry 2016 finals
22.6/3.7ass/40% 3pt/ 40% 2pt
Mj 1991 finals
31.2 pts/11.4 ass/ 50% 3 pt/59% 2pt
Again it's not close mj crushes Steph. So if you guys want to clarify and just compare regular season offensive impact for that one year than that's fair but as far as a whole season goes which includes post season, mj is on another level.
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[QUOTE=Bronbron23]
The post season and finals which are tougher scoring conditions is a different story.
Curry 2016 playoffs
25.1/5.2 ass/40% 3pt/48% 2 pt
Mj 1991 playoffs
31.1/8.4 ass/39% 3 pt/ 53% 2 pt
So in the playoffs where teams and defences are better and refs let players play more you can see that Steph gets worse while mj gets better. In the finals there's even a bigger disparity as curry continues to get worse while mj gets even better.
Curry 2016 finals
22.6/3.7ass/40% 3pt/ 40% 2pt
Mj 1991 finals
31.2 pts/11.4 ass/ 50% 3 pt/59% 2pt
Again it's not close mj crushes Steph. So if you guys want to clarify and just compare regular season offensive impact for that one year than that's fair but as far as a whole season goes which includes post season, mj is on another level.[/QUOTE]
You choose 2016 for comparison when Curry suffered 2 separate injuries leading to him missing games? How convincing.
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Curry is definitely the GOAT of the '10s decade, no doubt about it.
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[QUOTE=Stephonit]You choose 2016 for comparison when Curry suffered 2 separate injuries leading to him missing games? How convincing.[/QUOTE]
I was arguing with Manny who said Steph's 16 was his best season ever but go ahead and chose any season u want. None of them are better than mj's best
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[QUOTE=superduper]Curry is definitely the GOAT of the '10s decade, no doubt about it.[/QUOTE]
Nah, Stephs not better than Bron man. Bron has the same amount of chips plus better stats and achievements. 3 mvp's to 2. 3 fmvps to 0. 4 NBA defensive teams to 0.
It's really not close actually
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[QUOTE=Bronbron23]As far as careers it won't even be close Steph is already 31 and will begin his decline soon. Offensively mj's destroys curry at the same age up until this point.
Even if you want to look at Steph's best season it's still doesn't compare to mj when you factor in playoffs and finals. Regular season yes Curry's 2016 was up there with mj.
Curry 2015 regular season
30.1 pts/ 6.7 ass/ 45% 3pt / 56% 2pt
Mj 1990 regular season
31.5% pts/ 5.5 ass/ 31% 3pt/ 53% 2 pt
I won't even harp on the easier scoring era and mj having to score in iso more. If u just look at there regular seasons offensively Steph was a little better.
The post season and finals which are tougher scoring conditions is a different story.
Curry 2016 playoffs
25.1/5.2 ass/40% 3pt/48% 2 pt
Mj 1991 playoffs
31.1/8.4 ass/39% 3 pt/ 53% 2 pt
So in the playoffs where teams and defences are better and refs let players play more you can see that Steph gets worse while mj gets better. In the finals there's even a bigger disparity as curry continues to get worse while mj gets even better.
Curry 2016 finals
22.6/3.7ass/40% 3pt/ 40% 2pt
Mj 1991 finals
31.2 pts/11.4 ass/ 50% 3 pt/59% 2pt
Again it's not close mj crushes Steph. So if you guys want to clarify and just compare regular season offensive impact for that one year than that's fair but as far as a whole season goes which includes post season, mj is on another level.[/QUOTE]
So you take Steph's worst Finals series and compare it to MJ's best to make a point?
Steph got injured early in the 2016 Playoffs (twice, I might add), so his Playoff averages already tank because he had to leave early in his first two games and the injury was significant enough that he played a total of 38 minutes in the first 8 Playoff games. Not only are the injuries a factor, but the first 3 games of the Finals were all blowouts, where he either played a low amount of minutes or barely shot the basketball due to the games being decided in the first half. As bad as his series was overall, he still broke the Finals 3-Point record while shooting 40% from three at 11.4 attempts per game. His team was up 3 - 1 with him hobbling and then his best teammate in that series gets suspended for a closeout game at home, where his starting Center suffers a series-ending injury. Not only that, but in the next game Iguodala gets injured and is left hobbling for the rest of the series as well. A healthy, non-suspended Warriors squad closes the series out in 5 games and we don't have this stupid discussion.
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[QUOTE=ImKobe]So you take Steph's worst Finals series and compare it to MJ's best to make a point?
Steph got injured early in the 2016 Playoffs (twice, I might add), so his Playoff averages already tank because he had to leave early in his first two games and the injury was significant enough that he played a total of 38 minutes in the first 8 Playoff games. Not only are the injuries a factor, but the first 3 games of the Finals were all blowouts, where he either played a low amount of minutes or barely shot the basketball due to the games being decided in the first half. As bad as his series was overall, he still broke the Finals 3-Point record while shooting 40% from three at 11.4 attempts per game. His team was up 3 - 1 with him hobbling and then his best teammate in that series gets suspended for a closeout game at home, where his starting Center suffers a series-ending injury. Not only that, but in the next game Iguodala gets injured and is left hobbling for the rest of the series as well. A healthy, non-suspended Warriors squad closes the series out in 5 games and we don't have this stupid discussion.[/QUOTE]
I used 16 because I was arguing with Manny and that's the season he used. It doesn't matter what season u use though none of the are as good as mj's best
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[QUOTE=Bronbron23]I used 16 because I was arguing with Manny and that's the season he used. It doesn't matter what season u use though none of the are as good as mj's best[/QUOTE]
OP is a retard for comparing Curry to MJ anyways, Steph's really underrated as far as all-time talks go though, his RS/Playoff numbers from 2017-19 are on par with almost any all-time great and he proved just in these Finals that he could produce at the highest level with half of his team injured.
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[QUOTE=ImKobe]OP is a retard for comparing Curry to MJ anyways, Steph's really underrated as far as all-time talks go though, his RS/Playoff numbers from 2017-19 are on par with almost any all-time great and he proved just in these Finals that he could produce at the highest level with half of his team injured.[/QUOTE] u just got trolled :lol didnt u realize that this is a troll thread? :roll:
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[QUOTE=Turbo Slayer]u just got trolled :lol didnt u realize that this is a troll thread? :roll:[/QUOTE]
Nah. You were clearly not trolling in the OP but got embarrassed so badly that now you cower behind the lamest excuse online.
If you feel like Curry's the GOAT, make your case and don't let people convince you otherwise. He's arguably the GOAT of his era so don't feel ashamed about it.
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[QUOTE=ImKobe]OP is a retard for comparing Curry to MJ anyways, Steph's really underrated as far as all-time talks go though, his RS/Playoff numbers from 2017-19 are on par with almost any all-time great and he proved just in these Finals that he could produce at the highest level with half of his team injured.[/QUOTE]
Yes his 17-19 was very good and on par with alot of atg players but not all. Mj had several better. Magics 86-87 was also better. Lebron, Shaq and Kareem also had better seasons.
And Steph wasn't missing half his team. Klay only missed a game. Kd being out hurt but he was just icing on the cake anyway. They were still a great team without him.
Steph is amazing. He's the best shooter ever and will go down a top 20 player. He's far from the goat is all I'm saying.
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[QUOTE=Bronbron23]Yes his 17-19 was very good and on par with alot of atg players but not all. Mj had several better. Magics 86-87 was also better. Lebron, Shaq and Kareem also had better seasons.
And Steph wasn't missing half his team. Klay only missed a game. Kd being out hurt but he was just icing on the cake anyway. They were still a great team without him.
Steph is amazing. He's the best shooter ever and will go down a top 20 player. He's far from the goat is all I'm saying.[/QUOTE]
Magic's 1987 wasn't better than Curry's 2017
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[QUOTE=Stephonit]Magic's 1987 wasn't better than Curry's 2017
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[QUOTE=Bronbron23]Yes his 17-19 was very good and on par with alot of atg players but not all. Mj had several better. Magics 86-87 was also better. Lebron, Shaq and Kareem also had better seasons.
And Steph wasn't missing half his team. Klay only missed a game. Kd being out hurt but he was just icing on the cake anyway. They were still a great team without him.
Steph is amazing. He's the best shooter ever and will go down a top 20 player. He's far from the goat is all I'm saying.[/QUOTE]
He had his greatest individual Finals/Playoff game of his career with KD, Klay, Looney all injured. Raptors ran 2-3 guys at him on every possession and he still dropped 47/8/7.
Klay, Looney, Cousins, Iguodala were all playing hurt and sustained major injuries either in the Finals or leading up to it. Iggy shouldn't have even played in his condition, Looney was in terrible pain and Thompson injured and went out early in two of the 6 games, including missing one completely. Durant obviously only played like 12 minutes in that series as well.
That's 5 guys dealing with serious injuries. Steph still made it a close series but got little to no respect after it while people were ready to give Lebron Finals MVP in 2015 for taking 32 shots a game to score his 35 inefficient points lol.
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[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents]Don't you legit believe Curry's the GOAT?[/QUOTE]
What I know is that Curry's career isn't over yet. He has a claim to one of the best if not the best regular seasons ever. He has a claim to one of the best if not the best playoffs ever. He was on a team that was historically great by certain measures
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[QUOTE=ImKobe]He had his greatest individual Finals/Playoff game of his career with KD, Klay, Looney all injured. Raptors ran 2-3 guys at him on every possession and he still dropped 47/8/7.
Klay, Looney, Cousins, Iguodala were all playing hurt and sustained major injuries either in the Finals or leading up to it. Iggy shouldn't have even played in his condition, Looney was in terrible pain and Thompson injured and went out early in two of the 6 games, including missing one completely. Durant obviously only played like 12 minutes in that series as well.
That's 5 guys dealing with serious injuries. Steph still made it a close series but got little to no respect after it while people were ready to give Lebron Finals MVP in 2015 for taking 32 shots a game to score his 35 inefficient points lol.[/QUOTE]
It's the end of the year alot if teams have guys that are banged up. Mj won a finals with a hobbled Scottie pip and no other help. Look what magic did as a rookie when Kareem went down. Yes curry was amazing in the game you speak of but it's one game. Hes never had a whole season as good as mj's. He just hasn't. Mj's numbers crush Steph's in the post season. Regular season sure but not playoffs and especially not the finals.
And yes LeBron wasnt very good in 15. I'm probably one of the few LeBron fans to acknowledge that. He scored alot but he was inefficient and couldn't hit a wide open mid-range to save his life. I'm not sure what that has to do with Steph not being the goat though
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[QUOTE=Stephonit]What I know is that Curry's career isn't over yet. He has a claim to one of the best if not the best regular seasons ever. He has a claim to one of the best if not the best playoffs ever. He was on a team that was historically great by certain measures—and that was before another all-time great teamed up with him. Curry plays in the modern era. He's been playing in the tougher conference. I'm more impressed with Curry than LeBron who many say they believe is the best player they've ever seen. Curry isn't as reliant as other greats on getting a favorable whistle. Curry changed the game.[/QUOTE]
See this is what I mean. Steph fans just make up shit when it come to his career. I'll give u the regular season claim. It's a fair one. He dosnt have a claim to one of the best playoffs ever. Mj's, Kareems, magic LeBron and Shaq all had better.
The pre kd warriors we're not historically great. The only had one chip and it was against a heavily depleted Cavs team that still won 2 games and beat them with the same squad the following year when fully healthy. Yeah they had the greatest regular season ever but they didn't win and like pip said it don't mean a thing without the ring.
Curry didn't change the game. Teams shoot more threes now because of Morey and the rockets. They came up with the analytics of why it makes sense and they implemented it first and other teams like the warriors followed. That's a fact. So how did Steph change the game exactly? He didnt.
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[QUOTE=Bronbron23]See this is what I mean. Steph fans just make up shit when it come to his career. I'll give u the regular season claim. It's a fair one. He dosnt have a claim to one of the best playoffs ever. Mj's, Kareems, magic LeBron and Shaq all had better.[/quote]
I disagreed above with Magic having had a better year and I'll disagree again now.
One of these is Curry 2017, one is Larry Bird 1986, and the other one is Magic Johnson 1987:
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1 42.8 9.5 18.4 .517 1.3 .411 8.2 15.3 .538 .551 5.6 6.1 .927 1.9 7.4 9.3 8.2 2.1 0.6 2.6 3.1 25.9
2 35.4 8.9 18.4 .484 4.2 .419 4.6 8.2 .564 .599 6.1 6.7 .904 1.3 4.9 6.2 6.7 2.0 0.2 3.4 2.2 28.1
3 37.0 8.1 15.1 .539 0.1 .200 8.0 14.5 .552 .542 5.4 6.6 .831 1.6 6.2 7.7 12.2 1.7 0.4 2.8 2.1 21.8
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1 23.9 .615 .169 .329 5.3 18.0 12.1 28.1 2.3 0.8 11.0 23.3 2.7 1.5 4.2 .263 6.8 3.5 10.3 2.4
2 27.1 .659 .551 .365 4.2 14.1 9.5 29.5 2.7 0.5 13.8 30.0 2.3 1.1 3.4 .272 9.1 1.7 10.8 2.0
3 26.2 .607 .037 .435 5.2 17.0 11.7 46.1 2.2 0.6 13.6 23.1 2.6 1.1 3.7 .265 6.7 3.1 9.7 2.0
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[QUOTE=Bronbron23]
The pre kd warriors we're not historically great. The only had one chip and it was against a heavily depleted Cavs team that still won 2 games and beat them with the same squad the following year when fully healthy. Yeah they had the greatest regular season ever but they didn't win and like pip said it don't mean a thing without the ring.[/quote]
[url]https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-year-of-the-warriors/[/url]
[url]https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-best-nba-teams-of-all-time-according-to-elo/[/url]
[QUOTE=Bronbron23]
Curry didn't change the game. Teams shoot more threes now because of Morey and the rockets. They came up with the analytics of why it makes sense and they implemented it first and other teams like the warriors followed. That's a fact. So how did Steph change the game exactly? He didnt.[/QUOTE]
Morey had theories he borrowed from D'Antoni who could have borrowed them from Don Nelson. Unproven theories. What Curry did was show what could happen when they were applied to reality by someone capable of doing so.
[url]https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/stephen-curry-is-the-revolution/[/url]
With such a commanding showing Curry gave 3-point shooting and jumpshooting teams the legitimacy they previously lacked. The Warriors' success allowed Morey to go all in and gave D'Antoni's career which had been consigned to oblivion a new lease on life.
3-point shooting, the rise of defensive switching, and the fall in importance of the traditional big man are all trends that have followed in Curry's wake.
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[QUOTE=Stephonit]I disagreed above with Magic having had a better year and I'll disagree again now.
One of these is Curry 2017, one is Larry Bird 1986, and the other one is Magic Johnson 1987:
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Rk MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% eFG% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
1 42.8 9.5 18.4 .517 1.3 .411 8.2 15.3 .538 .551 5.6 6.1 .927 1.9 7.4 9.3 8.2 2.1 0.6 2.6 3.1 25.9
2 35.4 8.9 18.4 .484 4.2 .419 4.6 8.2 .564 .599 6.1 6.7 .904 1.3 4.9 6.2 6.7 2.0 0.2 3.4 2.2 28.1
3 37.0 8.1 15.1 .539 0.1 .200 8.0 14.5 .552 .542 5.4 6.6 .831 1.6 6.2 7.7 12.2 1.7 0.4 2.8 2.1 21.8
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1 23.9 .615 .169 .329 5.3 18.0 12.1 28.1 2.3 0.8 11.0 23.3 2.7 1.5 4.2 .263 6.8 3.5 10.3 2.4
2 27.1 .659 .551 .365 4.2 14.1 9.5 29.5 2.7 0.5 13.8 30.0 2.3 1.1 3.4 .272 9.1 1.7 10.8 2.0
3 26.2 .607 .037 .435 5.2 17.0 11.7 46.1 2.2 0.6 13.6 23.1 2.6 1.1 3.7 .265 6.7 3.1 9.7 2.0
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[url]https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-year-of-the-warriors/[/url]
[url]https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-best-nba-teams-of-all-time-according-to-elo/[/url]
Morey had theories he borrowed from D'Antoni who could have borrowed them from Don Nelson. Unproven theories. What Curry did was show what could happen when they were applied to reality by someone capable of doing so.
[url]https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/stephen-curry-is-the-revolution/[/url]
With such a commanding showing Curry gave 3-point shooting and jumpshooting teams the legitimacy they previously lacked. The Warriors' success allowed Morey to go all in and gave D'Antoni's career which had been consigned to oblivion a new lease on life.
3-point shooting, the rise of defensive switching, and the fall in importance of the traditional big man are all trends that have followed in Curry's wake.[/QUOTE]
Post the playoffs for those years too.
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[QUOTE=Manny98]Nope 2016 Curry is better than any MJ or Wade season. first and only unanimous MVP GOAT shit and his playoff run in 2017 is as good or better than any playoff run ever
28/6/7 off 66% TS 16-1 record when has MJ ever had a playoff run that dominant[/QUOTE]
Why don't you take the whole year. 91Mj with Playoffs> Curry in 2016
Stop doing half things to try to make Curry look good.
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[QUOTE=Stephonit]What I know is that Curry's career isn't over yet. He has a claim to one of the best if not the best regular seasons ever. [B]He has a claim to one of the best if not the best playoffs ever.[/B] He was on a team that was historically great by certain measures
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[QUOTE=juju151111]Post the playoffs for those years too.[/QUOTE]
Those are playoffs numbers.
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents]:roll: Curry having claim for the greatest playoff run ever, imagine legitimately believing this shit[/QUOTE]
Imagine thinking going to the finals 5 straight years through the Western Conference doesn't count towards playoff runs!
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[QUOTE=Stephonit]Those are playoffs numbers.
Imagine thinking going to the finals 5 straight years through the Western Conference doesn't count towards playoff runs![/QUOTE]
Curry has never had a year better then 90 or 91 MJ. He would have a good regular season then struggle in the playoffs or he would do the opposite.
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[QUOTE=Stephonit]I disagreed above with Magic having had a better year and I'll disagree again now.
One of these is Curry 2017, one is Larry Bird 1986, and the other one is Magic Johnson 1987:
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Rk MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% eFG% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
1 42.8 9.5 18.4 .517 1.3 .411 8.2 15.3 .538 .551 5.6 6.1 .927 1.9 7.4 9.3 8.2 2.1 0.6 2.6 3.1 25.9
2 35.4 8.9 18.4 .484 4.2 .419 4.6 8.2 .564 .599 6.1 6.7 .904 1.3 4.9 6.2 6.7 2.0 0.2 3.4 2.2 28.1
3 37.0 8.1 15.1 .539 0.1 .200 8.0 14.5 .552 .542 5.4 6.6 .831 1.6 6.2 7.7 12.2 1.7 0.4 2.8 2.1 21.8
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1 23.9 .615 .169 .329 5.3 18.0 12.1 28.1 2.3 0.8 11.0 23.3 2.7 1.5 4.2 .263 6.8 3.5 10.3 2.4
2 27.1 .659 .551 .365 4.2 14.1 9.5 29.5 2.7 0.5 13.8 30.0 2.3 1.1 3.4 .272 9.1 1.7 10.8 2.0
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[url]https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-year-of-the-warriors/[/url]
[url]https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-best-nba-teams-of-all-time-according-to-elo/[/url]
Morey had theories he borrowed from D'Antoni who could have borrowed them from Don Nelson. Unproven theories. What Curry did was show what could happen when they were applied to reality by someone capable of doing so.
[url]https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/stephen-curry-is-the-revolution/[/url]
With such a commanding showing Curry gave 3-point shooting and jumpshooting teams the legitimacy they previously lacked. The Warriors' success allowed Morey to go all in and gave D'Antoni's career which had been consigned to oblivion a new lease on life.
3-point shooting, the rise of defensive switching, and the fall in importance of the traditional big man are all trends that have followed in Curry's wake.[/QUOTE]
I'm not gonna keep arguing about currys best season compared to others. There all pretty close other than mj and maybe Kareem. We'll have to just agree to disagree. As far as changing the game what you said just isn't true. Whether it was Morey, Dantoni or Don Nelson the three ball craziness didn't start at all with Steph and the warriors. Houston has always shot way more threes than the warriors. Yes Steph and the warriors made it sexy and did it better but they didn't start it or change the game. Teams still draft big athletic players over small shooting gaurds. The top players in the league are still for the most part big and athletic. Steph is the exception because of his insane shooting. The warriors success didn't allow Houston to do anything. Houston shot way more threes before the warriors and Steph started winning. Stop making stuff up
3 point attempts
2012-13
Houston 30
Warriors 20
2013-14
Houston 27
Warriors 26
2014-15
Houston 32
Warriors 28
2015-16
Houston 31
Warriors 32
2016-17
Houston 40
Warriors 31
2017-18
Houston 42
Warriors 30
So if Houston is responsible for for teams shooting more three balls and teams still still look to build around big athletic players how exactly did Steph change the game?
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[QUOTE=Bronbron23]I'm not gonna keep arguing about currys best season compared to others. There all pretty close other than mj and maybe Kareem. We'll have to just agree to disagree. As far as changing the game what you said just isn't true. Whether it was Morey, Dantoni or Don Nelson the three ball craziness didn't start at all with Steph and the warriors. Houston has always shot way more threes than the warriors. Yes Steph and the warriors made it sexy and did it better but they didn't start it or change the game. Teams still draft big athletic players over small shooting gaurds. The top players in the league are still for the most part big and athletic. Steph is the exception because of his insane shooting. The warriors success didn't allow Houston to do anything. Houston shot way more threes before the warriors and Steph started winning. Stop making stuff up
3 point attempts
2012-13
Houston 30
Warriors 20
2013-14
Houston 27
Warriors 26
2014-15
Houston 32
Warriors 28
2015-16
Houston 31
Warriors 32
2016-17
Houston 40
Warriors 31
2017-18
Houston 42
Warriors 30
[B]So if Houston is responsible for for teams shooting more three balls and teams still still look to build around big athletic players how exactly did Steph change the game?[/B][/QUOTE]
Because nobody was copying the style until Steph and the Warriors had success with it. And Steph was, in his first two peak years, displaying that he is the greatest 3pt shooter the history of the game has ever seen.
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[QUOTE=superduper]Because nobody was copying the style until Steph and the Warriors had success with it. And Steph was, in his first two peak years, displaying that he is the greatest 3pt shooter the history of the game has ever seen.[/QUOTE]
Nobody was copying it? Houston was already doing it. Warriors copied them. What are u talking about
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[QUOTE=Bronbron23]Nobody was copying it? Houston was already doing it. Warriors copied them. What are u talking about[/QUOTE]
They weren't just mindlessly chucking and missing 27 3pt in a row blindly like morons the Warriors actually had a sophisticated system with Steph as the catalyst and everything done intelligently. The Warriors had their own style, they didn't copy anyone. They mixed plays yes, but made it their own identity.
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[QUOTE=superduper]They weren't just mindlessly chucking and missing 27 3pt in a row blindly like morons the Warriors actually had a sophisticated system with Steph as the catalyst and everything done intelligently. The Warriors had their own style, they didn't copy anyone. They mixed plays yes, but made it their own identity.[/QUOTE]
I never said they mindlessly chucked them up. I already said they did it better than Houston. They had two of the best shooters ever and utilized ball movement and off ball movement much better. The point is warriors didn't start the while three ball madness. Houston and Orlando did. Teams started shooting more threes after Morey and the rockets came up with the analytics on why shooting more threes is good. This is a fact. So if Steph and the warriors arnt responsible for the three ball increasing and teams arnt drafting small shooting gaurds over big athletic players. How did Steph change the game?
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[QUOTE=Bronbron23]I'm not gonna keep arguing about currys best season compared to others. There all pretty close other than mj and maybe Kareem. We'll have to just agree to disagree. As far as changing the game what you said just isn't true. Whether it was Morey, Dantoni or Don Nelson the three ball craziness didn't start at all with Steph and the warriors. Houston has always shot way more threes than the warriors. Yes Steph and the warriors made it sexy and did it better but they didn't start it or change the game. Teams still draft big athletic players over small shooting gaurds. The top players in the league are still for the most part big and athletic. Steph is the exception because of his insane shooting. The warriors success didn't allow Houston to do anything. Houston shot way more threes before the warriors and Steph started winning. Stop making stuff up
3 point attempts
2012-13
Houston 30
Warriors 20
2013-14
Houston 27
Warriors 26
2014-15
Houston 32
Warriors 28
2015-16
Houston 31
Warriors 32
2016-17
Houston 40
Warriors 31
2017-18
Houston 42
Warriors 30
So if Houston is responsible for for teams shooting more three balls and teams still still look to build around big athletic players how exactly did Steph change the game?[/QUOTE]
But Houston isn't responsible for teams shooting more three balls. You haven't established causality. Houston could have been shooting 30 3s on average for many more years and who knows if the league would follow. The Warriors, however, had Curry and Klay and it made sense for them to increase 3s. When they won that is what catapulted 3-pointers from niche strategy to strategic imperative.
Your numbers very clearly show a jump in Houston's 3-point attempts from around 30 to 40 in 2016-2017. That was clearly a reaction to Golden State's success. Also as I've stated already 3-pointers aren't the only development spurred on by the Warriors.
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[QUOTE=Stephonit]But Houston isn't responsible for teams shooting more three balls. You haven't established causality. Houston could have been shooting 30 3s on average for many more years and who knows if the league would follow. The Warriors, however, had Curry and Klay and it made sense for them to increase 3s. When they won that is what catapulted 3-pointers from niche strategy to strategic imperative.
Your numbers very clearly show a jump in Houston's 3-point attempts from around 30 to 40 in 2016-2017. That was clearly a reaction to Golden State's success. Also as I've stated already 3-pointers aren't the only development spurred on by the Warriors.[/QUOTE]
Are u joking? If u look at 3 point attempts by teams by year you'll see that Orlando and then Houston were always the ones ahead of the curve when it comes to the three ball. Where were the warriors at? Where's the causality with the warriors?
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[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents]:roll: Curry having claim for the greatest playoff run ever, imagine legitimately believing this shit[/QUOTE]
2017
16 - 1 record
28/6/7 66%TS, 27/8/9 62%TS Finals
16 - 1 is the greatest Playoff run next to the Lakers' 15 - 1 run in 2001. Lakers' run might be more impressive because GSW wouldn't have had the run had Kawhi not gone down first game of the WCF up 23 points.
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[QUOTE=Bronbron23]Are u joking? If u look at 3 point attempts by teams by year you'll see that Orlando and then Houston were always the ones ahead of the curve when it comes to the three ball. Where were the warriors at? Where's the causality with the warriors?[/QUOTE]
Are you joking?
[url]https://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/12/23/daryl-morey-rockets-obsessed-with-warriors-steve-kerr-we-dont-think-about-them/[/url]
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[QUOTE=Stephonit]Are you joking?
[url]https://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/12/23/daryl-morey-rockets-obsessed-with-warriors-steve-kerr-we-dont-think-about-them/[/url][/QUOTE]
That article didn't support what your saying. I already said the warriors do it better. Of course Morey and the rockets are obsessed with the warriors. The warriors took the rockets and philosophy and did it better than they did. I'd be pissed to
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[QUOTE=ImKobe]2017
16 - 1 record
28/6/7 66%TS, 27/8/9 62%TS Finals
16 - 1 is the greatest Playoff run next to the Lakers' 15 - 1 run in 2001. Lakers' run might be more impressive because GSW wouldn't have had the run had Kawhi not gone down first game of the WCF up 23 points.[/QUOTE]
Why do u attribute that record to just curry though? He had the second best player in the league on his team. Warriors were already a three all star great team without kd. Without kd and with 2 other all stars curry never came close to going 16-1. You add kd to any atg team and they go 16-1 easily.
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[QUOTE=Bronbron23]That article didn't support what your saying. I already said the warriors do it better. Of course Morey and the rockets are obsessed with the warriors. The warriors took the rockets and philosophy and did it better than they did. I'd be pissed to[/QUOTE]
But the Warriors didn't take the Rockets' philosophy.
[url]https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2775879-rockets-warriors-torch-opponents-with-drastically-different-approaches[/url]
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[QUOTE=Stephonit]But the Warriors didn't take the Rockets' philosophy.
[url]https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2775879-rockets-warriors-torch-opponents-with-drastically-different-approaches[/url][/QUOTE]
Yes they did. As I said they did it better and different but they certainly followed there basic philosophy that shooting more threes is beneficial. Most of the league did. Either way the warriors definitely didn't start it so how could they have changed the game? It can't be because of there beautiful ball movement because Kerr got that from pop And most teams still don't move on and off ball like the warriors so how has curry and the warriors changed the game that way?
Steph is amazing but this notion that he's changed the game isn't true. None of the top teams play like the warriors and all of those top teams stars don't resemble Curry's game at all. So in what way has he changed the game?
If anything by no fault of his own curry will impact the game in a negative way because all of these Steph fans want to copy his game but no one can shoot like him. He's a freak that only comes a long once in a lifetime. For anyone else his attempts are bad shots
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[QUOTE=Bronbron23]Yes they did. As I said they did it better and different but they certainly followed there basic philosophy that shooting more threes is beneficial. Most of the league did. Either way the warriors definitely didn't start it so how could they have changed the game? It can't be because of there beautiful ball movement because Kerr got that from pop And most teams still don't move on and off ball like the warriors so how has curry and the warriors changed the game that way?
Steph is amazing but this notion that he's changed the game isn't true. None of the top teams play like the warriors and all of those top teams stars don't resemble Curry's game at all. So in what way has he changed the game?
If anything by no fault of his own curry will impact the game in a negative way because all of these Steph fans want to copy his game but no one can shoot like him. He's a freak that only comes a long once in a lifetime. For anyone else his attempts are bad shots[/QUOTE]
Which player was the poster child for 3-pointers prior to Curry? It wasn't Harden. The guys who epitomized 3-point shooting before Curry was the likes of Ray Allen and Kyle Korver. How do Allen and Korver differ from the 3-point shooters of today? They shot assisted catch and shoot 3s which is the higher percentage shot for most people. That was where prior to Curry's explosion the analytics was pointing. Then Curry comes along and creates his 3s often off the dribble and reveals to everyone how potent self-created 3s can be in the hands of a master. His pull-up 3 is the game changer that set off the increase in 3-point attempts. Now you have Harden with his step-back threes and Lillard with his long range bombs with no one pulling them aside and telling them to stop.
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[QUOTE=Stephonit]Which player was the poster child for 3-pointers prior to Curry? It wasn't Harden. The guys who epitomized 3-point shooting before Curry was the likes of Ray Allen and Kyle Korver. How do Allen and Korver differ from the 3-point shooters of today? They shot assisted catch and shoot 3s which is the higher percentage shot for most people. That was where prior to Curry's explosion the analytics was pointing. Then Curry comes along and creates his 3s often off the dribble and reveals to everyone how potent self-created 3s can be in the hands of a master. His pull-up 3 is the game changer that set off the increase in 3-point attempts. Now you have Harden with his step-back threes and Lillard with his long range bombs with no one pulling them aside and telling them to stop.[/QUOTE]
Nah man Houston has always lead the three point charge. The numbers don't lie.
And Lillard only shoots one more three a game than he did before curry and the rockets were winning and jacking threes so curry isn't responsible for that.
And harden and curry use the three ball much differently. Harden shoots the three ball off of almost all iso while curry gets a shit ton of screens. You say curry shoots the three off the dribble but you fail to mention he gets more screens than anyone in the history of the game other than maybe Reggie Miller.
That said I agree curry is the face of the three ball. He's the best to ever do it but that doesn't mean he changed the game. In 2014-15 Houston was the first team to shoot more than 30 threes a game(31.8) warriors that year shot 27.7. the following year the warriors followed the rockets three ball philosophy and shot the same amount as Houston did the year before (31.8). In 2016-17 the rockets shot even more and were the first team to shoot 40 threes a game. The warriors actually shot a little less(31.5). There were only 6 teams that shot the three more than 30 times this year. The following year houston led the charge again and shot even more (41.9) while the warriors shot less(29.4). More teams followed the rockets lead that season and now 11 teams shot more than 30 a game. Last year the rockets again led the charge and shot even more threes(45). Even more teams followed the rockets lead and 18 teams last year shot more than 30 threes.
So as you can see This notion that curry is responsible for the Increase in the three ball is just false. The rockets were and are the ones responsible.
The NBA has always been dominated by either big men or big athletic gaurds. Curry hasn't " changed" this. So I ask again. If teams shoot more threes because of the rockets and teams still look to build around big men or big gaurds how has curry changed the game?
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[QUOTE=Bronbron23]Nah man Houston has always lead the three point charge. The numbers don't lie.
And Lillard only shoots one more three a game than he did before curry and the rockets were winning and jacking threes so curry isn't responsible for that.
And harden and curry use the three ball much differently. Harden shoots the three ball off of almost all iso while curry gets a shit ton of screens. You say curry shoots the three off the dribble but you fail to mention he gets more screens than anyone in the history of the game other than maybe Reggie Miller.
That said I agree curry is the face of the three ball. He's the best to ever do it but that doesn't mean he changed the game. In 2014-15 Houston was the first team to shoot more than 30 threes a game(31.8) warriors that year shot 27.7. the following year the warriors followed the rockets three ball philosophy and shot the same amount as Houston did the year before (31.8). In 2016-17 the rockets shot even more and were the first team to shoot 40 threes a game. The warriors actually shot a little less(31.5). There were only 6 teams that shot the three more than 30 times this year. The following year houston led the charge again and shot even more (41.9) while the warriors shot less(29.4). More teams followed the rockets lead that season and now 11 teams shot more than 30 a game. Last year the rockets again led the charge and shot even more threes(45). Even more teams followed the rockets lead and 18 teams last year shot more than 30 threes.
So as you can see This notion that curry is responsible for the Increase in the three ball is just false. The rockets were and are the ones responsible.
The NBA has always been dominated by either big men or big athletic gaurds. Curry hasn't " changed" this. So I ask again. If teams shoot more threes because of the rockets and teams still look to build around big men or big gaurds how has curry changed the game?[/QUOTE]
Even if you want to say Curry didn
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[QUOTE=warriorfan]Even if you want to say Curry didn’t change the game (which is trolling)...There is no denying he legitimized the “new game”[/QUOTE]
It's not trolling at all. It's a fact that the rockets with Morey's analytics are responsible for the Increase in threes. As far as legitimizing the three ball because they won I guess that's probably a better word for it although I would argue that the game isn't new at all. Yeah teams shoot more threes but the NBA is dominated by big athletic players. Look at the last 10 fmvps. As a matter of fact the last time a small unathletic player won was Tony Parker in 07. there were only three guys in history really. Dumars, Isiah and Parker. Guys like Isiah Thomas and curry are just exceptions. The don't change the game or even legitimize anything. Teams didn't go out dying to draft small point gaurds with isiahs game anymore then there doing the same with curry now. They still want the LeBron's and mj,s of the world.