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[QUOTE=Joshumitsu]The film had something like 20-30 minutes of footage edited out.
Hopefully, the extended cut is released. TDKR did feel slightly disjointed so maybe the extra footage would help.[/QUOTE]
I read an interview with Nolan and it sounds like he has no plans to release an extended version of the movie. In the same interview, he made it sound like there wasn't that much deleted scenes. He stated that most of the editing came in the writing room before the scenes were even shot.
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[QUOTE=Joshumitsu]The film had something like 20-30 minutes of footage edited out.
Hopefully, the extended cut is released. TDKR did feel slightly disjointed so maybe the extra footage would help.[/QUOTE]
The film needed to add another 15-20 minutes tbh. They need to connect the part regarding the bane and the mobster and bane and catwoman.
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[QUOTE=Rose]I'm eager to see the footage of young Bane, and the mask he used then.[/QUOTE]
The more I read about some of the deleted scenes and behind the scenes stuff, the more it seems like Nolan edited the original story to squeeze Cotillard in last minute. She was pregnant for most of the production cycle and Nolan waited for her to give birth and then filmed her segments at the end. Movie would've been better without her character IMO, completely unnecessary and detracted from Bane. Would've been great to see this:
[INDENT][B][U]Bane Deleted Scene Details Surface[/U][/B]
The Dark Knight Rises deleted scene explains Bane's backstory. Costume designer Lindy Hemming reveals what we missed.
Clocking in at a whopping 164 minutes, The Dark Knight Rises is already a mammoth example of storytelling, but even despite its epic running time, there were a still a few key sequences that ended up on the cutting room floor.
Costume designer Lindy Hemming has been talking about one of those scenes, in which Bane's backstory was fleshed out a little, including details surrounding just how Bane came to require that mask.
[B][COLOR="Red"]"The thing that you should have seen during that sequence is [Bane] being injured in his youth," says Hemming. "So one of the fundamental things about his costume is that he has this scar from the back injury. Even if he hasn’t got the bulletproof vest on, he still has to wear the waist belt and the braces."
"In that [deleted] scene in the prison, where he’s learning to fight the same way Batman learned to fight, he’s wearing an early version of his waist belt. There’s a whole early section for Tom Hardy where he’s fighting and being taunted by people. He’s got chains on him, and he’s standing on a wooden thing while people are attacking him. And in that scene, he’s wearing a much more ragged, primitive version of the mask."[/COLOR][/B]
And there we were thinking we couldn't wring any more excitement out of The Dark Knight Rises. Hopefully, said scene will be included on the DVD package, giving us even more of an insight into what put Bane on the road to becoming "Gotham's reckoning".
[url]http://www.mania.com/bane-deleted-scene-details-surface_article_133824.html[/url][/INDENT]
But we needed that M. Night 'twist' instead though :rolleyes:
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I really loved Batman Begins and from the countless reviews I've read Batamn Begins is BY FAR the runt of the little... but I just don't see how. Not "by far" anyhow. That movie was wank material.
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[QUOTE=Legend of Josh]I really loved Batman Begins and from the countless reviews I've read Batamn Begins is BY FAR the runt of the little... but I just don't see how. Not "by far" anyhow. That movie was wank material.[/QUOTE]
For me it goes:
TDK
Rises
Begins
But I can easily see why anyone would rank Begins over Rises. It was definitely a much tighter film and they both had the same basic storyline.
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[QUOTE=Myth]I read an interview with Nolan and it sounds like he has no plans to release an extended version of the movie. In the same interview, he made it sound like there wasn't that much deleted scenes. He stated that most of the editing came in the writing room before the scenes were even shot.[/QUOTE]
I read that as well. This other article seems to contradict it.
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[QUOTE=DonDadda59]For me it goes:
TDK
Rises
Begins
But I can easily see why anyone would rank Begins over Rises. It was definitely a much tighter film and they both had the same basic storyline.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, mine is:
TDK
Begins
Rises
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[QUOTE=Legend of Josh]I really loved Batman Begins and from the countless reviews I've read Batamn Begins is BY FAR the runt of the little... but I just don't see how. Not "by far" anyhow. That movie was wank material.[/QUOTE]
If I had to post a 0.5 rating for me personally...
The Dark Knight 9.5/10.0
The Dark Knight Rises 9.0/10.0
Batman Begins 8.5/10.0
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[QUOTE=DonDadda59]For me it goes:
TDK
Rises
Begins
But I can easily see why anyone would rank Begins over Rises. It was definitely a much tighter film and they both had the same basic storyline.[/QUOTE]
I guess and more in-depth of how it "all came to be" for me was what really set the tone for it all. It put a new perspective and understanding to the whole Batman persona and the magnitude of just how massive the "Wayne Family" was to the the city of Gotham. Never before did it seem the Wayne family was that important in all of the Batman franchise.
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Just re-watched the ending again and it brought back the same exact feelings and made me tear up a bit just like it did in theaters. One of the greatest movie trilogies of all time, right up there with LOTR and Star Wars (before 1-3 were made) no doubt. Man such fu**ing good movies. Wish I had a better job then so I could have seen it multiple times in theaters.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYDlRUnTL9g[/url]
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Does anyone else think the ending might've been a bit better if the last shot was just Alfred looking up with that slight hint of satisfaction but never actually seeing Bruce? I dunno, sometimes an ambiguous ending makes for more of an emotional impact. I didn't need absolute confirmation that Bruce was still alive.
Fantastic series though. I'm holding out for the supposed "Collector's" edition Blu-ray trilogy that will come out next year.
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[QUOTE=Qwyjibo]Does anyone else think the ending might've been a bit better if the last shot was just Alfred looking up with that slight hint of satisfaction but never actually seeing Bruce? I dunno, sometimes an ambiguous ending makes for more of an emotional impact. I didn't need absolute confirmation that Bruce was still alive.
Fantastic series though. I'm holding out for the supposed "Collector's" edition Blu-ray trilogy that will come out next year.[/QUOTE]
I'm holding out for Man of Steel. Nolan about to revive another Superhero movie franchise :bowdown: .
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[QUOTE=Qwyjibo][B]Does anyone else think the ending might've been a bit better if the last shot was just Alfred looking up with that slight hint of satisfaction but never actually seeing Bruce? [/B] I dunno, sometimes an ambiguous ending makes for more of an emotional impact. I didn't need absolute confirmation that Bruce was still alive.
Fantastic series though. I'm holding out for the supposed "Collector's" edition Blu-ray trilogy that will come out next year.[/QUOTE]
Yup, a lot of people said the same thing in that massive TDKR thread that was here around the time the movie came out. The ending of Rises seemed forced and a cop out by Nolan IMO.
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Rises was a good enough movie and all, but the whole premise of Batman, the Joker, a guy who wears Darth Vader breathing apparatus and can punch through cement pillars... like SMFH. Trying SO hard to be serious and then having Batman talk like that along with everything else... like I said, good enough movies, I enjoyed them, but I laugh my ass off at Christoper Nolan trying to make people take them as a serious piece of drama.
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As a comic book flick it's almost flawless
If you have realistic perceptions on the dynamics and nature of the story , you will find it silly
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[QUOTE=Stuckey]As a comic book flick it's almost flawless
If you have realistic perceptions on the dynamics and nature of the story , you will find it silly[/QUOTE]
Right, I definitely can (and did) enjoy them for what they are. But I'm not the one trying to make it a serious drama piece; the director is. And you're right, it's silly.
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[QUOTE=johndeeregreen]Rises was a good enough movie and all, but the whole premise of Batman, the Joker, a guy who wears Darth Vader breathing apparatus and can punch through cement pillars... like SMFH. Trying SO hard to be serious and then having Batman talk like that along with everything else... like I said, good enough movies, I enjoyed them, but I laugh my ass off at Christoper Nolan trying to make people take them as a serious piece of drama.[/QUOTE]
Superhero films based on comic books tend to be unrealistic. For example, The Avengers had a massive green man and I've yet to see one in real life. I think Nolan should have made it slightly more cartoonish instead of opting for the crime/drama/action/thriller mood he eventually settled for. For example, if Selina Kyle had a tail attached to her costume/outfit, it would have been far easier for me to acknowledge her as a highly flexible thief come Catwoman.
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[QUOTE=SilkyJohnson]Superhero films based on comic books tend to be unrealistic. For example, The Avengers had a massive green man and I've yet to see one in real life. I think Nolan should have made it slightly more cartoonish instead of opting for the crime/drama/action/thriller mood he eventually settled for. For example, if Selina Kyle had a tail attached to her costume/outfit, it would have been far easier for me to acknowledge her as a highly flexible thief come Catwoman.[/QUOTE]
I'm aware that they're unrealistic. I'm not the one walking into Batman films expecting to take them seriously. Christopher Nolan is the one trying to force down our throats that these are serious dramatic pieces, and that's laughable to me. You're making a f*cking Batman movie, enough with trying to make us believe this shit is real-life.
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Now onto Superman.
Nolan's movement away from the traditional superhero Movie, toward action suspense, is going to be the catalyst for a new type of superhero film that will be popular for a long time.
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Ill still take the 2 Tim Burton/Michael Keaton Batmans over Nolan/Bale Batmans
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[QUOTE=LA Lakers]Ill still take the 2 Tim Burton/Michael Keaton Batmans over Nolan/Bale Batmans[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
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[QUOTE=LA Lakers]Ill still take the 2 Tim Burton/Michael Keaton Batmans over Nolan/Bale Batmans[/QUOTE]
You go right ahead and take them and shove them up your ass as well. No one in their right mind is taking the garbage especially the 2nd one over any of Nolan's Batman's.
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[QUOTE=Rubio2Gasol]Now onto Superman.
Nolan's movement away from the traditional superhero Movie, toward action suspense, is going to be the catalyst for a new type of superhero film that will be popular for a long time.[/QUOTE]
I cannot wait. The teaser trailer gave me goosebumps.
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[QUOTE=Qwyjibo]Does anyone else think the ending might've been a bit better if the last shot was just Alfred looking up with that slight hint of satisfaction but never actually seeing Bruce? I dunno, sometimes an ambiguous ending makes for more of an emotional impact. I didn't need absolute confirmation that Bruce was still alive.
Fantastic series though. I'm holding out for the supposed "Collector's" edition Blu-ray trilogy that will come out next year.[/QUOTE]
I would've liked that more yes.
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[QUOTE=Meticode]I would've liked that more yes.[/QUOTE]
yeh but that's too nolan predictable, especially after inception people would've lost their shit if Nolan had done it to them again. i liked the ending, because it close's off bruce waynes story, and if someone wants to come along and do a story on Robin's they're able to.
Remember there's a new Bat-lantern for Commissioner Gordon to use, Robin is given the co-ordinates to the batcave and access to all equipment, so closing off Bruce's story was the best option to allow Robin to have his own (if there ever is one)
Also if there is a deleted scene about banes mask i'll jizz everywhere.
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[QUOTE=Mamba]yeh but that's too nolan predictable, especially after inception people would've lost their shit if Nolan had done it to them again. i liked the ending, because it close's off bruce waynes story, and if someone wants to come along and do a story on Robin's they're able to.
Remember there's a new Bat-lantern for Commissioner Gordon to use, Robin is given the co-ordinates to the batcave and access to all equipment, so closing off Bruce's story was the best option to allow Robin to have his own (if there ever is one)
Also if there is a deleted scene about banes mask i'll jizz everywhere.[/QUOTE]
I can't get into movies to that extent. A 720p blu-ray rip with DTS sound on my hard-drive hooked up to my blu-ray player is all I need. I'm just glad I have the trilogy to watch whenever I want.
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As much as I loved the Dark Knight, Rises was a bit of a let down. It was still pretty well done (albeit with some annoying plot holes), and it does close off Wayne's story.
But... after TDK, it was set up wonderfully to be open to the Batman mythos. While still on the run from the cops, he could encounter riddler, penguin, hush, azrael, hugo strange, harley quinn,... joker again. It doesn't seem like a Batman thing to have him just disappear for 8 years.
And I know Nolan is supposed to be grounded in reality, but having Bruce become a hermit and quit being batman isn't the batman story i know.
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[QUOTE=bootsy]You go right ahead and take them and shove them up your ass as well. No one in their right mind is taking the garbage especially the 2nd one over any of Nolan's Batman's.[/QUOTE]
Damn. Very sensitive are we? Just an opinion man. Sorry, De Vitos take on Penguin and Michelle Pfeffier as Selena Kyle/Catwoman were transcendant. Im a Batman/Spawn guy. I just liked Burtons interpretation more. The Burton flicks had more atmosphere and I think Keaton was a better Batman. But honestly, you need to relax.
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[QUOTE=LA Lakers]Damn. Very sensitive are we? Just an opinion man. Sorry, De Vitos take on Penguin and Michelle Pfeffier as Selena Kyle/Catwoman were transcendant. Im a Batman/Spawn guy. I just liked Burtons interpretation more. The Burton flicks had more atmosphere and I think Keaton was a better Batman. But honestly, you need to relax.[/QUOTE]
De Vito's Penguin was as hammy as they come. Not to mention in accurate.
Penguin isn't a freak, he's a british arms / dealer and suave business man.
Selena Kyle isn't a timid chick, who gets licked back to life by cats and goes on a man hating revenge streak. She's Catwoman because she is a cat burglar.
As with any Burton movie, it's all atmosphere and style over substance. B89 is incredible visually, thanks to Anton Furst, and Bob Ringwood's genius idea to put Batman in all black.
But the movie is just hollow. They play the character like he was in the early pulp days, but it comes across in a very 2 dimensional way. Keaton's Batman is mysterious, but I wouldn't say it is the better performance.
I also wasn't a fan of the way B89 expresses Gotham as an almost Germanic city in it's architecture. This is an American legend, and should be set in a recognizable, albeit gritty American city. That's what Gotham is in the comics. It certainly isn't that GOTH fairy tale land from Batman Returns. Nolan's city is recognizable, gritty, real ... and visibly American as it was shot in real American cities like Chicago, Pittsburgh, New York. Gives a greater sense of scale, making these films modern mythologies on a grand and epic scale.
The film has nice atmosphere but it focuses too much on Jack Nicholson's character, leaving him no mystery or threat. His motivations as Joker are stupid (he's after Wayne's girlfriend) ...
Wayne has no true identifiable character arc, they turn Joker into the killer of the Waynes (unforgivable) and essentially turns the entire thing into a revenge story. Not an eternal war on crime, but revenge.
Batman Returns is an abomination onto itself. Not only does the surface level plot suck, all it is was a circle jerk to Goth German Expressionism from Burton. Burton had no interest in doing another Batman movie, he made a Burton movie. Even before he became a parody of himself as a film maker (he is still making the same movies about social outcasts, freaks, etc) but he makes Batman a sadistic killer in this movie for no reason. No battle within his soul to not cross the line and take the easy way out in killing.
The whole movie makes little sense, and is essentially the reason we got Shumacher. The film itself is darker, but it takes itself even less seriously than B89 did ... and there is some go awful puns / dialogue in this movie.
To even insinuate these films are better than Nolan's game changing comic book film trilogy is a slap in the face to fans of quality cinema. Even if you were disappointed in RISES it was a genius conclusion to the Wayne character arc that stretched three films.
I tip my hat to B89. It set the tone for future serious comic book movies, introduced dark atmosphere and scratched the surface on psychological motivations of mythic comic book characters, laid the foundation for the modern blockbuster / studio hype machine. But the film is a hollow shell compared to what the golden age of comic book films brought to us starting in 1998 w/ David Goyer's BLADE film.
Bruce Wayne is a driven, motivated, and obsessive character ... but he isn't merely crazy the way he's depicted in the Burton films. He's a detective, super ninja who uses fear, brute force, and martial arts to make his stamp on a city and it's underworld. None of this was accurately conveyed in Burton's films.
TDK trilogy is by far and away better than any of it's predecessors, and leaps and bounds better than anything else in the genre.
Superman: TM and B89 we owe a lot too. They're basically the George Mikan / Wilt Chamberlain of the superhero movie game.
They laid the ground work for the ultimate potential final product.
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I disagree. Im not judging their interpretations based on how Bob Kane/DC might have envisioned characters as opposed to how a filmmaker like say, Tim Burton wants to present them. I really hate this trend of pumping out comic book movies I think comic books and film is a totally different medium, and if we are going to disbute every difference between a comic book movie and the actual source material wed be writing all night. With that said, from a cinematic standpoint, I still think Nolan is very clunky with action scenes(Joker abducting Dent in Dark Knight- Gotham tunnel sequence is confusing as **** and very disorienting in how it was shot). I dont feel he draws out dramatic impact enough(Alfred crying at Waynes graveside for 5 seconds and then quick switch to Gordon/Blake is a perfect example). I think Nolan has a tendency to over edit his movies... I appreciate individual performances he gets from his actors, but as a director of action, Im not sold. With that said, yes, we finally have a trilogy, and a decent one. I think Batman Begins is the best of the new films. All just my opinion, with all art, its subjective my man...
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[QUOTE=LA Lakers]I disagree. Im not judging their interpretations based on how Bob Kane/DC might have envisioned characters as opposed to how a filmmaker like say, Tim Burton wants to present them.[/quote]
Why not? They're adaptations of a source material, correct? The vision keeper making a film about Batman needs to be respectful to the creation he's bringing to life. He can only shoe in so much artistic interpretation or agenda, without stepping on something is beloved by a lot of people. It requires Batman like levels of self control and restraint. Tell the story you want to tell, but keep it faithful, and keep it Batman.
I don't care if elements are changed to fit a cinematic universe w/ REAL people and actors, or changed to make something fresh or believable as long as the core essence of the mythos be kept in tack and be respectful. Burton pissed on the story from the point of the 1988 writer's strike when they re-wrote the 3rd act of BATMAN and started twisting the vision of the character. And then in RETURNS flat out took a dump on it.
[QUOTE=LA Lakers] that said, from a cinematic standpoint, I still think Nolan is very clunky with action scenes(Joker abducting Dent in Dark Knight- Gotham tunnel sequence is confusing as **** and very disorienting in how it was shot).[/quote]
How could you not understand what was going on? Nolan's action set pieces in TDK were utterly amazing. As was the car chase in BEGINS, and the action set pieces in RISES were equally stunning.
All practical, with little use of CGI or model effects. Gritty, 1970's era American film making. Akin to the original Star Wars, French Connection, etc. Which is amazing, and will let these films age like fine wine given their practical stunts and visual effects.
[QUOTE=LA Lakers]I dont feel he draws out dramatic impact enough(Alfred crying at Waynes graveside for 5 seconds and then quick switch to Gordon/Blake is a perfect example).[/quote]
He makes quick cuts because his stories are massive, and has a lot of ground to cover. Nolan makes EPICS. Yet they still have these fantastic intimate character moments, like when Caine's Alfred tells Bruce he has a death wish, or the intimate convo between Bane and Wayne after he imprisoned him in the pit.
Those small issues aren't forgivable for otherwise great movies, yet you find no fault on Burton's redundant themes, style over substance, over simplification of plot / mythos, lack of stunning action sequences, filming on confined sets (losing scale) and the fact his two Batman films has, NO PLOT, NO CHARACTER ARC, no pathos for the characters we're supposed to care for in this fantastic journey of a tortured young man's death wish fighting a war on crime in a corrupt city?
:oldlol:
Not to mention Nolan's films a socially, politically relevant and comment on actual real world issues, while also being entertaining blockbusters?
[QUOTE=LA Lakers]I think Batman Begins is the best of the new films. All just my opinion, with all art, its subjective my man...[/QUOTE]
I know ... I'm just discussing this with you. I still don't get your reasoning for finding the two Burton films being superior to the Nolan trilogy. All you've told me is what you didn't like about Nolan's films. Which leads me to believe you recognize they're better, but being contrarian for the sake of their popularity.
You're not expressing passionate reasoning or love for films you feel are superior. I'm giving you POSITIVES why Nolan's films are better, you're just giving me subjective quirks with a director.
TDK - 5/5
Rises - 4.5 / 5
Begins - 4/5
How are the Nolan film's NOT atmospheric, btw?
BEGINS gives you the dirty corrupt Gotham, before Batman makes his impact. Just like Burton's Gotham except less cartoony, less German architecture, grittier, more functional, on a real American City scale, and not just looped on the same set build. You've got the narrows ghetto near Arkham, a nod to the real life slums of Kowloon giving rich Blade Runner esque visuals and the grungy rusted orange hue to the film.
TDK gives you a now clean, streamlined Gotham thanks to Batman's impact cleaning up the streets, but it wreaks with atmosphere of cold modernist blue hues, contemporary American buildings ... with a growing threat of the Joker threatening to tear the serenity of it all down. The Joker's rotted, grunge, anarchist, punk street look is juxtaposed to the now cleanliness of Gotham City. Oh, CAN'T FORGET those creepy 3 AM shots of Gotham, burning fire trucks (Joker humor) ... and that HAUNTING visual of the Joker hanging his head out a cop car like a mad dog, which was beyond creepy. The entire film is the best post 9/11 War on Terror allegory seen on film, since the dawn of the age of domestic terrorism in 2001.
RISES gives you a dystopian, disaster / war film. A ghost town Gotham City, with rubble everywhere, and the film echoes death with it's black / white / grey hues. It also in it's set design shows the passage of time, given the 8 year time differences, showing a slightly more futuristic Gotham. Or at least nods to it. Whoever thought we'd see a serious Batman, and a serious Batman movie have the balls to bring the dracula-esque character into the early Gotham dawn and still make him intimidating?
Each one of these films pushed the genre and Batman on screen, while being respectful to the mythos, yet adapting it / making fresh to fit the real world they were applying it to ... and in the process made a beloved modern mythology, on a scale the character always deserved. Think about it.
From laughing stock (Batman and Robin) to legend (TDK trilogy) and :oldlol: @ Nolan's films not having atmosphere.
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[QUOTE=paperstreet]
And I know Nolan is supposed to be grounded in reality, but having Bruce become a hermit and quit being batman isn't the batman story i know.[/QUOTE]
Then you don't know the character ... AT ALL.
The most beloved and acclaimed Batman story of ALL - TIME, TDK Returns? Which this film TDK Rises is based on ...
He was retired for 10 years. 2 years longer than he was in RISES. :oldlol:
And he didn't QUIT being Batman. God, people just don't get this film at all, or they didn't pay close enough attention.
Bruce is retired out of circumstance.
A) It gives weight to the selfless act of Batman at the end of TDK, allows Dent to be the public hero, Batman the hated villain
B) Crime is WIPED OUT in Gotham thanks to the "Dent Act" which was public policy created due to Batman's sacrifice.
ex: John Blake "soon you'll have us chasing down over due library books"
Gotham on the surface for 8 years, even if based on a manipulative lie is in a good place. It's clean. No mob. Police force isn't corrupt anymore, so now they can do their job and pursue basic street crime.
Thus making the Batman NOT NEEDED, as it's stated in the film at various points through dialogue.
Gordon "We were in this together, and then you were gone."
Bruce Wayne "The Batman wasn't needed anymore, WE WON."
Gordon "Based on a lie"
C) One of the major points of TDK, and one of the longest running themes in the Batman comics is that Batman's presence in Gotham is equally negative as it is positive. He saves all these people, but his image and presence attracts crazies (copy cats, freak / theatrical villains) ... with Batman no longer in Gotham, it doesn't attract the insane copy cats or opposition.
D) Bruce WANTS to be the Batman. He has nothing to do, no chance for a life (so he assumes) w/o Rachel, as Alfred says to him
"You were just waiting for things to go bad again"
And he was. That's why he jumps at the chance to be Batman after he hears of the masked mercenary brought to Gotham by Dagget. That's why he gets excited for Fox's new toys at Wayne Enterprises.
All these two characters we love from the first two films: Wayne, Gordon are stuck at the start of this film. They get re-invigorated by the young or new characters of Selina Kyle, John Blake, and Bane.
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Just a heads up, this Bluray trilogy is $30 on Amazon. 43% off. The Dark Knight Rises alone is $25 on Bluray.
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what i did not like:
1 - Bane death... the way he died... we spent the whole movie hyping Bane as the most evil thing on the earth... then in less that 5 minutes we realize he is not the brains behind his own operation and Catwoman jumps in a kills him...
Thats the only thing i hated about the whole trilogy.... everything else would be just over picking.
Favorite parts:
1 - Training part/becoming batman thing in Batman begins... Absolutely loved it.
2 - Escape from middle east prison... "im not meant to die here... here... there... whats the difference..."
3 - The villains, all of them... Ras al ghul was superb, Joker out of this world and Bane was amazing until the... see above.
4 - Bane speech.
5 - Batman vs Bane first fight.
6 - Joker interrogation scene.
7 - Ras al ghul, "the training is nothing... the will is everything"
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[QUOTE=The Mamba]Then you don't know the character ... AT ALL.
The most beloved and acclaimed Batman story of ALL - TIME, TDK Returns? Which this film TDK Rises is based on ...
He was retired for 10 years. 2 years longer than he was in RISES. :oldlol:
And he didn't QUIT being Batman. God, people just don't get this film at all, or they didn't pay close enough attention.
Bruce is retired out of circumstance.
A) It gives weight to the selfless act of Batman at the end of TDK, allows Dent to be the public hero, Batman the hated villain
B) Crime is WIPED OUT in Gotham thanks to the "Dent Act" which was public policy created due to Batman's sacrifice.
ex: John Blake "soon you'll have us chasing down over due library books"
Gotham on the surface for 8 years, even if based on a manipulative lie is in a good place. It's clean. No mob. Police force isn't corrupt anymore, so now they can do their job and pursue basic street crime.
Thus making the Batman NOT NEEDED, as it's stated in the film at various points through dialogue.
Gordon "We were in this together, and then you were gone."
Bruce Wayne "The Batman wasn't needed anymore, WE WON."
Gordon "Based on a lie"
C) One of the major points of TDK, and one of the longest running themes in the Batman comics is that Batman's presence in Gotham is equally negative as it is positive. He saves all these people, but his image and presence attracts crazies (copy cats, freak / theatrical villains) ... with Batman no longer in Gotham, it doesn't attract the insane copy cats or opposition.
D) Bruce WANTS to be the Batman. He has nothing to do, no chance for a life (so he assumes) w/o Rachel, as Alfred says to him
"You were just waiting for things to go bad again"
And he was. That's why he jumps at the chance to be Batman after he hears of the masked mercenary brought to Gotham by Dagget. That's why he gets excited for Fox's new toys at Wayne Enterprises.
All these two characters we love from the first two films: Wayne, Gordon are stuck at the start of this film. They get re-invigorated by the young or new characters of Selina Kyle, John Blake, and Bane.[/QUOTE]
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The Mamba laying down the motha fu**in law in this thread :bowdown: :applause: . Seriously spot on with everything. You take 100 people that don't like or dislike Batman and make every single one watch the Burton ones as well as the Nolan ones and I'm 100 percent sure that AT LEAST 75 percent of the people call the new ones better.
I agree the Burton ones had cool aspects this one didn't have such as more comedy... but it's really not even a comparison. This trilogy is a flat out masterpiece that will be enshrined in movie history forever. This is a movie where the last two were up for best picture. If you said that about the Burton ones you would have been laughed at.
I disagree that the Burton ones were more in line with the original plot though. I feel the Nolan ones while altered are still far more realistic as well as "traditional" to the Batman plot.
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[QUOTE=TheFan]what i did not like:
1 - Bane death... the way he died... we spent the whole movie hyping Bane as the most evil thing on the earth... then in less that 5 minutes we realize he is not the brains behind his own operation and Catwoman jumps in a kills him...
Thats the only thing i hated about the whole trilogy.... everything else would be just over picking.
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I'd argue that the birth of Two-Face is way worse and by far the weakest plot point in the whole series. The fact that he so easily forgives the Joker for killing Rachel and throws away everything he ever stood for and becomes a crazed killer just didn't make sense in the context of the movie.
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[QUOTE=Anti Hero]I hated those campy lines from older Batmans.. Especially the one with Mr. Freeze. I hated when they came crashing through the wall and the hole that they left was in the shape of the bat signal and when they knock the gun out of Mr. Freezes hand and it lands ridiculously on top of a tyrannosaurus rex's head.[/QUOTE]
Did you mean to say corny? Because Burton's Batman movies have some of the most corny lines and situations in cinema history. Almost as corny as Mario Bros movie.
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I agree with alot of people about the ending being lame.Bane dying the way he did was lame.
The biggest part of the ending i hate 100% that other people dont really care about was Robin.Other people dont really seem to care about him being Robin but it really pissed me off when i watched it.**** that character he aint Robin you cant just create your own ****ing robin.
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[QUOTE=Anti Hero]I meant campy but yea they are corny and I wasn't just leaving it at Burtons films all of the other ones I lump into the same category. Obviously #1 isn't as bad as what followed but it was all down hill from there.
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Pick mostly and pack 20 percent of the time. You man? I don't like the fact that they said "overtime opportunities" when hired but they actually meant mandatory 55-60 hours a week for a month straight for holidays :facepalm . My body is getting beat the fu** up every day man. How about you?