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What would Larry Bird and Magic average in this Era?
I always hear people say if MJ played now he would absolutely crush.
So I was wondering what would Larry and Magic averages be if they played in today's Era?
Would they still be considered top 10 players?
Would they dominate the game?
Would they just be role players?
Discuss.
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Re: What would Larry Bird and Magic average in this Era?
Bird: something like 26-12-8 wouldn't be out of the question
Magic: 26-9-14
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[QUOTE=dh144498]Bird: something like 26-12-8 wouldn't be out of the question
Magic: 26-9-14[/QUOTE]
Les not get ahead of ourselves here.
26-9-14?
Man you must be stupid:lol :lol
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Re: What would Larry Bird and Magic average in this Era?
Magic - 22.6ppg 8.4rpg 12.2apg 51fg% 32%3P
Larry - 28.2ppg 11.0rpg 6.4apg 48%fg 40%3P
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Yeah...no, Magic wouldn't average 26 PPG.
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They would both do very well.
That is all we can assume.
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[QUOTE=KG215]Yeah...no, Magic wouldn't average 26 PPG.[/QUOTE]
not impossible. He could abuse most defenders in the post in this era.
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All numbers posted so far seem too high to me.
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LBJ in about 3/4 years will be Magic. It's what Magic looked like.
Could score on the block, had vision, could lead a break, made big plays, could make a hook shot, could hit a 3 (occasionally). Very similar bodies, except Magic NEVER flew like Lebron. When LBJ slows down, it will be Magic.
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Neither one of them were about numbers anyway, so I'm not sure why the fascination with whatever individual statistics they might have compiled.
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[QUOTE=TheReturn]All numbers posted so far seem too high to me.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I was thinking maybe I beefed Larry's PPG/RPGs too much? Maybe 27.5ppg and 9.4rpg?
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[QUOTE=ThaRegul8r]Neither one of them were about numbers anyway, so I'm not sure why the fascination with whatever individual statistics they might have compiled.[/QUOTE]
I was just wondering cause they were never considered to be athletic guys.
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[QUOTE=ThaRegul8r]Neither one of them were about numbers anyway, so I'm not sure why the fascination with whatever individual statistics they might have compiled.[/QUOTE]
The only interesting numbers to me are Bird's rebounds, and 3PA. I'm not sure what kind of style he would play (though superstars of the highest order can't really be pigeonholed into a single role, I wonder if we'd see more of the Bird from before or after McHale was featured in the offense).
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Re: What would Larry Bird and Magic average in this Era?
Both players at their peak in today's NBA...
Bird: 27/9/6
Magic: 21/6/11
Bird would be a PF in today's league, Magic's assist numbers would be down a bit considering there are less fast break opportunities and less possessions in today's league.
The usage of the 3 point shot in today's league is a plus for Bird and playing at power forward his rebounding numbers wouldn't drop so his stats pretty much look the same.
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Bird on a good team(say...the Heat in place of Lebron) 23/11/7.
Bad team? 30/8/8
Magic about 18/11/8 anywhere.
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[QUOTE=KG215]Yeah...no, Magic wouldn't average 26 PPG.[/QUOTE]
I agree. A team where Magic is the #1 scoring option he is gonna put up points in the LOW 20's. Give him a team where he has 2 guys who can create their own shot and get you 20-25 on any given night then Magic puts up around 16-18 points a game.
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In this era? The'd team up and laugh throughout the Finals as they spank LeBron/Wade/Bosh.
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The league is different now. For example. In 1988, the year Bird avg.30 ppg, the Celtics team he played on took 6905 shots. That was fourth lowest for that year. In 2013, 6905 FGA would place a team third.
Theres no way Bird would be able to get up enough shots to come close to 30 ppg. The same applies to rebounds and assists. And dont forget FTs dont count as a FGA. So a portion of the points off FTs woukd be negated as well
24/8/6 for Bird
17/6/10 for Magic
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No way he could get up enough shots?
what are you saying will stop him exactly? A lack of posessions?
You think he couldnt just...shoot on a higher percentage of them?
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[QUOTE=97 bulls]The league is different now. For example. In 1988, the year Bird avg.30 ppg, the Celtics team he played on took 6905 shots. That was fourth lowest for that year. In 2013, 6905 FGA would place a team third.
Theres no way Bird would be able to get up enough shots to come close to 30 ppg. The same applies to rebounds and assists. And dont forget FTs dont count as a FGA. So a portion of the points off FTs woukd be negated as well
24/8/6 for Bird
17/6/10 for Magic[/QUOTE]
Wtf are you talking about?:biggums:
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Re: What would Larry Bird and Magic average in this Era?
bird - 33ppg/9rpg/6apg
magic - 23ppg/8rpg/13apg
jordan - 39ppg/6rpg/5apg
prime kobe - 37ppg/6reb/5apg
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[QUOTE=juju151111]Wtf are you talking about?:biggums:[/QUOTE]
Can you count? Its all relative. The league is different now when compared to the 80s. How can he avg 30 ppg in an era where theres less shot opportunities?
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[QUOTE=97 bulls]Can you count? Its all relative. The league is different now when compared to the 80s. How can he avg 30 ppg in an era where theres less shot opportunities?[/QUOTE]
All he needs to do is take more Fga. What if he on a horrible team. He the only one taking more FGA not the team itself. He can take the same amount of shots he did before he the team and coach gives him greenlight.
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You really believe his personal shots drop at the same rate the NBA average does?
You think guys like AI who shot 25 times in a slow league in the early 2000s would take 30-32 shots a night in the 80s west?
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[QUOTE=97 bulls]Can you count? Its all relative. The league is different now when compared to the 80s. How can he avg 30 ppg in an era where theres less shot opportunities?[/QUOTE]
Kobe, LeBron, Melo, and Durant can manage to do it, why not Bird?
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Bird has talked about how the rules has made the game different, and talked about how his game would be different.
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[QUOTE=97 bulls]The league is different now. For example. In 1988, the year Bird avg.30 ppg, the Celtics team he played on took 6905 shots. That was fourth lowest for that year. In 2013, 6905 FGA would place a team third.
Theres no way Bird would be able to get up enough shots to come close to 30 ppg. The same applies to rebounds and assists. And dont forget FTs dont count as a FGA. So a portion of the points off FTs woukd be negated as well
24/8/6 for Bird
17/6/10 for Magic[/QUOTE]
There were no Charlotte Bobcats when they played.
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beard 30 ppg 8 rebs 6 assist
magic 20 12 7
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[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]You really believe his personal shots drop at the same rate the NBA average does?
You think guys like AI who shot 25 times in a slow league in the early 2000s would take 30-32 shots a night in the 80s west?[/QUOTE]
My point is exactly that. Iverson was considered a chucker. Bird wasnt. Iverson taking 25 shots in the early 00s was equivalent to taking probably 28 in the 80s. And mind you that was Birds max.
If Bird took roughly 20 shots in a league that avg about 7100 shots per team, how is he gonna get the same 20 in a league where the avg team takes about 6500?
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[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]You really believe his personal shots drop at the same rate the NBA average does?
You think guys like AI who shot 25 times in a slow league in the early 2000s would take 30-32 shots a night in the 80s west?[/QUOTE]
Yes, why is that so hard to believe? I don't think your numbers are quite right, but yes he would take more shots.
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Wouldn't have won anywhere near as much as they did in the 80's. And no way in hell does Bird win 3 straight MVPs. Maybe 1 if he's lucky.
Bird - 24/8/5 on 47-48%
Magic - 19/6/11 on 47-48%
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ITT Old people who haven't moved on since the mid 90's.
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[QUOTE=97 bulls]The league is different now. For example. In 1988, the year Bird avg.30 ppg, the Celtics team he played on took 6905 shots. That was fourth lowest for that year. In 2013, 6905 FGA would place a team third.
Theres no way Bird would be able to get up enough shots to come close to 30 ppg. The same applies to rebounds and assists. And dont forget FTs dont count as a FGA. So a portion of the points off FTs woukd be negated as well
24/8/6 for Bird
17/6/10 for Magic[/QUOTE]
So you think Bird would average the same number of rebounds as Lebron despite him being a clearly better rebounder? Larry was a 13-16% rebounder on a team with Parish, McHale, and Walton. Lebron is an 11-13% rebounder on a team with Bosh, Anderson, and Wade, yet you think those two players would average the same number of rebounds.
It should be clear that superstar numbers don't rise and fall perfectly with pace.
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[QUOTE=2010splash]Wouldn't have won anywhere near as much as they did in the 80's. And no way in hell does Bird win 3 straight MVPs. Maybe 1 if he's lucky.
Bird - 24/8/5 on 47-48%
Magic - 19/6/11 on 47-48%[/QUOTE]
:roll:
Thanks I needed a good laugh :lol
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Re: What would Larry Bird and Magic average in this Era?
magic:21-6-11, 50%fg
Bird: 27-11-6 52% fg, 41% 3pt%
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Lets stop all this old head bulls**t.
Magic would average 19/4/6
Bird would be comming off the bench.
Here, I'll post them for you. :biggums: :coleman: :facepalm
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[QUOTE=97 bulls]My point is exactly that. Iverson was considered a chucker. Bird wasnt. Iverson taking 25 shots in the early 00s was equivalent to taking probably 28 in the 80s. And mind you that was Birds max.
If Bird took roughly 20 shots in a league that avg about 7100 shots per team, [B]how is he gonna get the same 20 in a league where the avg team takes about 6500?[/B][/QUOTE]
Because he would just take more shots?
It's not like he doesn't have the skill with isos, moving without the ball, or post up. I don't think it's that big of an issue if Bird wanted to score. If other players did it in a slower pace league who played with him like Wilkins and Jordan, I don't see why Bird cannot. Bird could average 26-30 ppg if he want to.
The less FGAs would affect the role players, but not the superstars because they are your number 1 option.
Magic would probably average the similar numbers. I don't know if he'll keep his FG%, but he will still have crazy efficiency.
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[QUOTE=97 bulls]My point is exactly that. Iverson was considered a chucker. Bird wasnt. Iverson taking 25 shots in the early 00s was equivalent to taking probably 28 in the 80s. And mind you that was Birds max.
If Bird took roughly 20 shots in a league that avg about 7100 shots per team, how is he gonna get the same 20 in a league where the avg team takes about 6500?[/QUOTE]
This league would work better for Bird because he'd get calls and he's one of the best FT shooters.
30 ppg is tough to hit anymore. Still 27/28 is not out of the question.
-Smak
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They wouldn't be able to inflate stats anymore on a superior era. And Magic would announce his real sexuality like my boy Collins.