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Round Mound 01-25-2013 07:45 PM

Karl Malone on Dan Patrick Show "Charles is the 3d Best PF, Duncan is a Center...
 
...Im The Best PF Ever"

http://msn.foxsports.com/topics/m/vi...arl-malone.htm

Whoah10115 01-25-2013 07:51 PM

Re: Karl Malone on Dan Patrick Show "Charles is the 3d Best PF, Duncan is a Center...
 
It's not opening and I'm not trying to listen either. Is he saying Duncan is a center but is still #2? Who does he have at #2?


It's not ridiculous if you consider full career. I'm not even sure how to rank them anymore. Duncan is a C but he didn't play C so you gotta call him a PF.

Round Mound 01-25-2013 07:57 PM

Re: Karl Malone on Dan Patrick Show "Charles is the 3d Best PF, Duncan is a Center...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Whoah10115
It's not opening and I'm not trying to listen either. Is he saying Duncan is a center but is still #2? Who does he have at #2?


It's not ridiculous if you consider full career. I'm not even sure how to rank them anymore. Duncan is a C but he didn't play C so you gotta call him a PF.


I Think Duncan has Been Playing More Center than PF in his Career. He is More a of a CF like Hakeem was. I Think he is the 2nd Best CF after The Dream.

He Said Barkley was 3rd If You Consider Duncan a PF, but He Doesnt Consider Duncan a PF. He Says He is the Best.

.

Legends66NBA7 01-25-2013 08:00 PM

Re: Karl Malone on Dan Patrick Show "Charles is the 3d Best PF, Duncan is a Center...
 
Start a team with Scottie Pippen from the rest of the 92 Dream Team and you the best PF, while Charles is a "distant" 3rd, and Duncan isn't better than you either regardless of his actual position... You're a funny guy, Karl, I'll give you that.

Didn't say who's the #2 PF is, so... I'll guess it's Rodman since he praised the man hard in that interview.

Whoah10115 01-25-2013 08:02 PM

Re: Karl Malone on Dan Patrick Show "Charles is the 3d Best PF, Duncan is a Center...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Round Mound
I Think Duncan has Been Playing More Center than PF in his Career. He is More a of a CF like Hakeem was. I Think he is the 2nd Best CF after The Dream.

He Said Barkley was 3rd If You Consider Duncan a PF, but He Doesnt Consider Duncan a PF. He Says He is the Best.

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Duncan plays like a center and he's been the starting center since 2008.


As far as Hakeem, I cannot agree. How was Olajuwon a PF? He was 6'10 and skinny. If he had a PF's game he would have played PF. He had guard moves, but he played strictly like a center.

ThaRegul8r 01-25-2013 08:02 PM

Re: Karl Malone on Dan Patrick Show "Charles is the 3d Best PF, Duncan is a Center...
 
Malone has a vested interest in eliminating Duncan from historical comparison with him. So I'm not sure why this matters.

Round Mound 01-25-2013 08:05 PM

Re: Karl Malone on Dan Patrick Show "Charles is the 3d Best PF, Duncan is a Center...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Legends66NBA7
Start a team with Scottie Pippen from the rest of the 92 Dream Team and you the best PF, while Charles is a "distant" 3rd, and Duncan isn't better than you either regardless of his actual position... You're a funny guy, Karl, I'll give you that.

Didn't say who's the #2 PF is, so... I'll guess it's Rodman since he praised the man hard in that interview.


Malone is a Bit Overrated...He Definetly Played More Seasons at a Good Level than Barkley but He NEVER REACHED THE LEVEL OF PRIME BARKLY, EVER!

His Longevity and Stat Padding Looks Nice on Paper an To The Eye (More Numbers Give the Impression of Better) but One You Analyze PER, EFF, Ws Per 48 Minutes, WS etc He Is Below Barkley in Both Their Primes.

Also, Charles calls himself the 2nd Best PF Ever in the Previous Chat With Dan Patrick I Think You Can Also See It If You Click On It

Whoah10115 01-25-2013 08:25 PM

Re: Karl Malone on Dan Patrick Show "Charles is the 3d Best PF, Duncan is a Center...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Round Mound
Malone is a Bit Overrated...He Definetly Played More Seasons at a Good Level than Barkley but He NEVER REACHED THE LEVEL OF PRIME BARKLY, EVER!

His Longevity and Stat Padding Looks Nice on Paper an To The Eye (More Numbers Give the Impression of Better) but One You Analyze PER, EFF, Ws Per 48 Minutes, WS etc He Is Below Barkley in Both Their Primes.

Also, Charles calls himself the 2nd Best PF Ever in the Previous Chat With Dan Patrick I Think You Can Also See It If You Click On It




I don't think Malone was a stat padder, but he did play in a system where a truly great player would rack up numbers. He was a finisher so absolutely ideal there.


I've heard Barkley make that claim. Barkley was easily the best who's played. I don't know how I should rank the top PF's on an all-time list tho. I have no problem with any of them being #1. Same even for KG, but I think his case is less obvious.

Myth 01-25-2013 09:17 PM

Re: Karl Malone on Dan Patrick Show "Charles is the 3d Best PF, Duncan is a Center...
 
In the modern era, most centers are the equivalent to power forwards of Malone's years. So yes, Duncan is a center now. But I had no problem seeing him as a PF for the first decade of his career.

Round Mound 01-25-2013 09:39 PM

Re: Karl Malone on Dan Patrick Show "Charles is the 3d Best PF, Duncan is a Center...
 
Malone Wasn`t a Stat Padder but When You See More Numbers More Times Padded Together Most Kids Out There Think He Would Be Better than Duncan or Barkley but When Analysis and Broken Down Stat Are Done Then He is Definetly Below Them. No Hate on Malone, I Loved Watching that Duo Work But as a Player Prime Barkley Was Way More Dominant and Duncan Prooved Himself in the Play-Offs like Barkley Did. Malone Shrunk in the Play-Offs...When It Most Mattered.

Skywalker 01-25-2013 09:42 PM

Re: Karl Malone on Dan Patrick Show "Charles is the 3d Best PF, Duncan is a Center...
 
KG > malone

Round Mound 01-25-2013 09:58 PM

Re: Karl Malone on Dan Patrick Show "Charles is the 3d Best PF, Duncan is a Center...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Skywalker
KG > malone


He Was a Better All Around Player but I Don`t Know If His Impact Was Greater.

joeyjoejoe 01-25-2013 10:09 PM

Re: Karl Malone on Dan Patrick Show "Charles is the 3d Best PF, Duncan is a Center...
 
Barkley vs malone in prime is debatable but malone has done more in his career, either way duncan will always be considered superior to both whether be prime or accomplishments

Clippersfan86 01-25-2013 10:11 PM

Re: Karl Malone on Dan Patrick Show "Charles is the 3d Best PF, Duncan is a Center...
 
According to 82 games Duncan has primarily been a center for 7 years now. I don't quite agree with him but there is truth to the idea that people constantly call Duncan a PF when in fact he's spent nearly half of his career playing center. It's just more favorable when people call him a PF. I understand he was a listed PF back when the Spurs won titles but he was usually the one guarding the opposing teams center and had the opposing center guarding him.

Myth 01-25-2013 10:19 PM

Re: Karl Malone on Dan Patrick Show "Charles is the 3d Best PF, Duncan is a Center...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Clippersfan86
I don't quite agree with him but there is truth to the idea that people constantly call Duncan a PF when in fact he's spent nearly half of his career playing center.


The thing is, Duncan's best years were at PF and he was already considered the GOAT PF before he switched to being primarily a center.

Darius 01-25-2013 10:22 PM

Re: Karl Malone on Dan Patrick Show "Charles is the 3d Best PF, Duncan is a Center...
 
This just in:

Rolling Stones consider The Beatles more of a jazz band.

TheTruth#34 01-25-2013 10:35 PM

Re: Karl Malone on Dan Patrick Show "Charles is the 3d Best PF, Duncan is a Center...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Darius
This just in:

Rolling Stones consider The Beatles more of a jazz band.



:lol

Rasheed1 01-25-2013 10:42 PM

Re: Karl Malone on Dan Patrick Show "Charles is the 3d Best PF, Duncan is a Center...
 
Charles was a better Pf than Malone.. Malone needed Stockton a lil too much..

Charles was simply a beast.. Ripping down boards and going coast to coast..

SCdac 01-25-2013 10:43 PM

Re: Karl Malone on Dan Patrick Show "Charles is the 3d Best PF, Duncan is a Center...
 
Malone is one bitter mofo. Even Jerry Sloan has said Duncan is one of the best PF's ever. Charles Barkley said it in the interview in the OP.

Either way, Karl Malone a couple years ago said he doesn't even care about rankings... dude just seems like a hater who misses being in the limelight.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Salt Lake City press
So, Mailman, are you the best ever?

"I don't know," Malone answered when asked the question during a recent KSL-TV interview.

Malone admitted that he never even thought about those types of things during his playing days.

"Being the best power forward or the best player," he said, "I will tell you without a doubt I never thought I was."

When it came to being ready to play, however, Malone definitely believes he held that advantage.

"Not one time," he said, "did I step on the floor physically and think that somebody was in better conditioning than I was."


http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7...rd.html?pg=all

Tim Duncan's prime was playing Power Forward and he's never won a title playing full time center (in 2007 Oberto/Elson battled all season for starting center), yet he's capable of shifting to the 5. He'll be categorized as a PF/C just like Pau Gasol, Jermaine Oneal, Chis Bosh, Amare Stoudemire, Al Horford, Antonio McDyess, Otis Thorpe, Kevin McHale and so many other PF's who could play the 5. This season actually, Duncan has played more PF, as Tiago Splitter is taking the reigns at center (he's definitely a natural center, much more than Duncan).

Here's Duncan hitting a game winning shot over the Jazz in 2003... WHILE Malone is guarding him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWqwvE5KVW8

Round Mound 01-25-2013 11:22 PM

Re: Karl Malone on Dan Patrick Show "Charles is the 3d Best PF, Duncan is a Center...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by joeyjoejoe
Barkley vs malone in prime is debatable but malone has done more in his career, either way duncan will always be considered superior to both whether be prime or accomplishments


Prime Barkley Was Better from 1985 to 1995. Ages 22-32 . From that Stretch Barkley Outplayed Malone, Had a Higher PER, WS, OWS, Plus/Minus, WS Per 48 Minutes and Was Seen By Most as the Best PF.

As Barkley Lost his Leaping Ability, Mobilty and His Back Injuries (same as Bird) and then Knee Injuries Appeared Malone Took Over as the Best PF around 1995-96. Charles last Year with the Suns. Charles Barkley With the Rockets was Just a Role Player and He Himself said He Could No Longer Play and Was Set To Retire in 1995 but Ainge Convinced him not Too.

Duncan is More of a CF than a PF same with Hakeem but with Better Handles and Less of an Offensive Threat.

Prime Barkley is Clearly the Best PF Ever

If You Like Longevity Over Dominance then Take Malone.

wakencdukest 01-25-2013 11:25 PM

Re: Karl Malone on Dan Patrick Show "Charles is the 3d Best PF, Duncan is a Center...
 
Karl Malone's crazy. I'd put Duncan at 1, Barkley at 2, and Malone 3 at best. he might even be tied with Garnett for third.

Whoah10115 01-25-2013 11:27 PM

Re: Karl Malone on Dan Patrick Show "Charles is the 3d Best PF, Duncan is a Center...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Myth
In the modern era, most centers are the equivalent to power forwards of Malone's years. So yes, Duncan is a center now. But I had no problem seeing him as a PF for the first decade of his career.




Duncan is a center in any era. He was only a PF because David Robinson was still on the team.

Round Mound 01-25-2013 11:27 PM

Re: Karl Malone on Dan Patrick Show "Charles is the 3d Best PF, Duncan is a Center...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SCdac
Malone is one bitter mofo. Even Jerry Sloan has said Duncan is one of the best PF's ever. Charles Barkley said it in the interview in the OP.

Either way, Karl Malone a couple years ago said he doesn't even care about rankings... dude just seems like a hater who misses being in the limelight.



http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7...rd.html?pg=all

Tim Duncan's prime was playing Power Forward and he's never won a title playing full time center (in 2007 Oberto/Elson battled all season for starting center), yet he's capable of shifting to the 5. He'll be categorized as a PF/C just like Pau Gasol, Jermaine Oneal, Chis Bosh, Amare Stoudemire, Al Horford, Antonio McDyess, Otis Thorpe, Kevin McHale and so many other PF's who could play the 5. This season actually, Duncan has played more PF, as Tiago Splitter is taking the reigns at center (he's definitely a natural center, much more than Duncan).

Here's Duncan hitting a game winning shot over the Jazz in 2003... WHILE Malone is guarding him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWqwvE5KVW8


Malone Was Like 40 Years Old When That Happened. :facepalm

Had Duncan Faced Malone and Sir Charles in Their 20s and Early-Mid 90s He Would Have Suffered On the Defensive Side More Than Them.

bdreason 01-25-2013 11:28 PM

Re: Karl Malone on Dan Patrick Show "Charles is the 3d Best PF, Duncan is a Center...
 
Duncan > Barkley > Garnett > Malone

Linspired 01-25-2013 11:31 PM

Re: Karl Malone on Dan Patrick Show "Charles is the 3d Best PF, Duncan is a Center...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bdreason
Duncan > Barkley > Garnett > Malone


switch kg and malone

malone over KG anytime anyday

ProfessorMurder 01-25-2013 11:34 PM

Re: Karl Malone on Dan Patrick Show "Charles is the 3d Best PF, Duncan is a Center...
 
Why are you all so surprised about this?

A competitive, cocky, all-time great, that thinks he's great... Stop the presses!

DatAsh 01-25-2013 11:41 PM

Re: Karl Malone on Dan Patrick Show "Charles is the 3d Best PF, Duncan is a Center...
 
Karl seems like a nice guy.

Whoah10115 01-25-2013 11:50 PM

Re: Karl Malone on Dan Patrick Show "Charles is the 3d Best PF, Duncan is a Center...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SCdac
Duncan has played more PF, as Tiago Splitter is taking the reigns at center (he's definitely a natural center, much more than Duncan).

Here's Duncan hitting a game winning shot over the Jazz in 2003... WHILE Malone is guarding him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWqwvE5KVW8




I've watched the games too, and that's not true. Duncan is the starting C. When Splitter is on the floor, they split more. But Splitter hasn't been starting all year. Not only that, but Duncan is still mostly at C when Splitter is on the floor.


Splitter is not a more natural C than Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan is a center who played alongside David Robinson. Therefore, he ended up the PF. I saw him in college too. He was a C, projected to be a C, and if Robinson hadn't gotten hurt Duncan would have played center on any team that could have drafted him...including San Antonio, had Robinson decided to retire.

Round Mound 01-25-2013 11:54 PM

Re: Karl Malone on Dan Patrick Show "Charles is the 3d Best PF, Duncan is a Center...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Whoah10115
I've watched the games too, and that's not true. Duncan is the starting C. When Splitter is on the floor, they split more. But Splitter hasn't been starting all year. Not only that, but Duncan is still mostly at C when Splitter is on the floor.


Splitter is not a more natural C than Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan is a center who played alongside David Robinson. Therefore, he ended up the PF. I saw him in college too. He was a C, projected to be a C, and if Robinson hadn't gotten hurt Duncan would have played center on any team that could have drafted him...including San Antonio, had Robinson decided to retire.


True but Duncan Fans Wan`t To Force the Powerfoward Issue So He Can Rank Nš1 at PF Because of his Titles (Team Accomplishment).

bdreason 01-26-2013 12:06 AM

Re: Karl Malone on Dan Patrick Show "Charles is the 3d Best PF, Duncan is a Center...
 
Spurs have started other guys at Center besides Robinson over the years. They were just scrubby, big-body guys like Nesterovic, Muhammed, Willis, Oberto, and Elson... so nobody remembers them. :oldlol:




I'd say Duncan has played Center since maybe 2007-2008. That was more out of necessity though, as the league changed, and it became all about spreading the floor and getting the rim (and the FT line). I mean, can you imagine an early 2000's Popovich team playing like they do now? Shooting all these 3's? Pop would probably have had a heart attack.




And I have no problem with Malone over KG. I just feel like KG has both the higher peak and better accolades.

ThaRegul8r 01-26-2013 12:14 AM

Re: Karl Malone on Dan Patrick Show "Charles is the 3d Best PF, Duncan is a Center...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wakencdukest
Karl Malone's crazy. I'd put Duncan at 1, Barkley at 2, and Malone 3 at best. he might even be tied with Garnett for third.


Again, people were calling Malone the GOAT power foward before Duncan. Malone would have a vested interest in disqualifying Duncan in order to proclaim himself the GOAT power forward. Why in the world is this a surprise? It's utterly baffling to me that no one else can understand this. It's purely self-interest.

Anaximandro1 01-26-2013 12:22 AM

Re: Karl Malone on Dan Patrick Show "Charles is the 3d Best PF, Duncan is a Center...
 
Duncan can play either the PF or C position extremely well


GM Survey 2002

Who is the NBA's best power forward?
Quote:

Tim Duncan - 80.8%
*Kevin Garnett - 11.5%
*Dirk Nowitzki - 7.7%


GM Survey 2007

Who is the best power forward in the NBA?

Quote:

1. Tim Duncan, San Antonio 48.1%
2. Kevin Garnett, Boston 25.9%
3. Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas 18.5%

Who is the best center in the NBA?
Quote:

1. Tim Duncan, San Antonio 48.1%
2. Yao Ming, Houston Rockets 33.3%
3. Dwight Howard, Orlando 7.4%
Shaquille O'Neal, Miami 7.4%
5. Amare Stoudemire, Phoenix 3.7%


However,Duncan in his prime was first and foremost a PF.He had good handles,solid first step and mid-range game for a big man.Tim could score in a variety of ways.He was a very versatile player.

Tim Duncan 2001 Playoffs: 40pts, Gm 2 vs. LA Lakers

Round Mound 01-26-2013 12:37 AM

Re: Karl Malone on Dan Patrick Show "Charles is the 3d Best PF, Duncan is a Center...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaRegul8r
Again, people were calling Malone the GOAT power foward before Duncan. Malone would have a vested interest in disqualifying Duncan in order to proclaim himself the GOAT power forward. Why in the world is this a surprise? It's utterly baffling to me that no one else can understand this. It's purely self-interest.


And People Where Calling Barkley the 2nd Best Player in the Game after Michael in 1992 but Few Remember This. But So?

In My Way Off Seeing It:

Duncan is the 2nd Best CF after Hakeem.
Barkley is the Best Peek and Prime Powerfoward Ever
Malone is after Kareem...The Player That Had The Best Longevity and The Best PF if You Take Into Count Longevity

Whoah10115 01-26-2013 12:38 AM

Re: Karl Malone on Dan Patrick Show "Charles is the 3d Best PF, Duncan is a Center...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bdreason
Spurs have started other guys at Center besides Robinson over the years. They were just scrubby, big-body guys like Nesterovic, Muhammed, Willis, Oberto, and Elson... so nobody remembers them. :oldlol:




I'd say Duncan has played Center since maybe 2007-2008. That was more out of necessity though, as the league changed, and it became all about spreading the floor and getting the rim (and the FT line). I mean, can you imagine an early 2000's Popovich team playing like they do now? Shooting all these 3's? Pop would probably have had a heart attack.




And I have no problem with Malone over KG. I just feel like KG has both the higher peak and better accolades.




I remember all those guys. They sucked. Duncan said publicly that he wanted to stay at PF.

I'm guessing that the Clippers would have matched, but the Spurs could have pursued Elton Brand. He was a RFA the Summer after Robinson retired. They could also have pursued Karl Malone, even for one season. He was interested in them. But Duncan would have had to move to C and he didn't want to.


Duncan played PF and of that there should be no doubt. In 07/08 Oberto wa still the starting C. But Duncan moved there the next year. McDyess was never playing C.

fpliii 01-26-2013 01:03 AM

Re: Karl Malone on Dan Patrick Show "Charles is the 3d Best PF, Duncan is a Center...
 
If we're sticking to positional designations, on the GOAT list:

Duncan>KG>Pettit>Barkley>Malone>McHale

but separating 4's and 5's is more of an art than a science. Bigs are bigs IMO.

Whoah10115 01-26-2013 01:08 AM

Re: Karl Malone on Dan Patrick Show "Charles is the 3d Best PF, Duncan is a Center...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fpliii
If we're sticking to positional designations, on the GOAT list:

Duncan>KG>Pettit>Barkley>Malone>McHale

but separating 4's and 5's is more of an art than a science. Bigs are bigs IMO.



Petit? OOOOH. I don't know about all that. You have Dirk #7, I'd assume? That's a bit low.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Round Mound
True but Duncan Fans Wan`t To Force the Powerfoward Issue So He Can Rank Nš1 at PF Because of his Titles (Team Accomplishment).



I do believe this. Duncan should be ranked at PF tho. The problem is not that but that a lot of people argue that he isn't a natural C. I don't understand that. I hear talk of his ball-handling, how athletic and quick and agile he was. Robinson had more of all those physical qualities and could handle the ball just as well!


Quote:

Originally Posted by Round Mound
KG over Barkley, McHale and Malone?

Funny....:roll:



Garnett is way ahead of McHale.

Round Mound 01-26-2013 01:09 AM

Re: Karl Malone on Dan Patrick Show "Charles is the 3d Best PF, Duncan is a Center...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fpliii
If we're sticking to positional designations, on the GOAT list:

Duncan>KG>Pettit>Barkley>Malone>McHale

but separating 4's and 5's is more of an art than a science. Bigs are bigs IMO.


KG over Barkley, McHale and Malone?

Funny....:roll:

Rasheed1 01-26-2013 01:24 AM

Re: Karl Malone on Dan Patrick Show "Charles is the 3d Best PF, Duncan is a Center...
 
Quote:

Garnett is way ahead of McHale.

I dont know about that.. McHale was nasty dude.. He had like 15 moves on the block.. He practically invented the up and under move..

I would probably give McHale the edge between him and KG..

KG is a hall of famer.... But I would take prime Mchale simply due to his ability to go to work down on the block..

ThaRegul8r 01-26-2013 01:27 AM

Re: Karl Malone on Dan Patrick Show "Charles is the 3d Best PF, Duncan is a Center...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Round Mound
And People Where Calling Barkley the 2nd Best Player in the Game after Michael in 1992 but Few Remember This. But So?


I'm not one of the "many who don't remember," as I was watching basketball during that time, and I've also posted articles on this very board on how Barkley was regarded during that time. So you can save your spiel with me because I lived and watched it, and thus don't need people telling me what I already know.

Whoah10115 01-26-2013 01:29 AM

Re: Karl Malone on Dan Patrick Show "Charles is the 3d Best PF, Duncan is a Center...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rasheed1
I dont know about that.. McHale was nasty dude.. He had like 15 moves on the block.. He practically invented the up and under move..

I would probably give McHale the edge between him and KG..

KG is a hall of famer.... But I would take prime Mchale simply due to his ability to go to work down on the block..




I couldn't agree. McHale is an all-time defender, but KG has him there. Just as he does in rebounding, passing, playmaking, making others better.


McHale has been called the best post player ever. And he's up there. He's also got that crazy FG% and he has more titles and appearances. But KG did more.


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