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Bronbron23 09-12-2019 01:00 PM

Re: Steph Curry is the GOAT
 
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Originally Posted by Gileraracer
Probably higher than Lebrons finals win %

Yeah maybe but at the end of the day Steph will still end up with the same amount of chips as LeBron but with 0 fmvp's. Even Kobe has 2. Both are way better than Steph's fmvp % which is 0%

Manny98 09-12-2019 01:03 PM

Re: Steph Curry is the GOAT
 
Curry is the greatest player ever under 6'8 :applause:

Bronbron23 09-12-2019 01:07 PM

Re: Steph Curry is the GOAT
 
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Originally Posted by Manny98
Curry is the greatest player ever under 6'8

Nope prime Wade was better especially in the finals. He was just as impactful on the offensive end and way more impactful on the defensive side of the ball. I won't even bother going in about how he pails compared to mj. Curry is not even in that conversation

Stephonit 09-12-2019 01:10 PM

Re: Steph Curry is the GOAT
 
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Originally Posted by 3ball
Common knowledge: today's spacing strategy gives defenses no chance to cover the ground (hence the open threes)


The "spacing strategy" is only possible if you have guys that can stretch the floor—someone like Curry.

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Originally Posted by 3ball
Curry shoots 29% on tightly contested two's outside of 10 feet, and 39% on contested - so he shoots bad at contested mid-range, which means he's bad at contested jumpers overall because 80% of his threes are open (see #1 above).

So MJ is a better jumpshooter than Curry because he's better at contested jumpers, while being the goat mid-range shooter..

and MJ shot 40% on threes on 4 attempts during a championship run and in the Finals without practicing threes like today's player, so just naturally because his form is goat and he has goat fundamentals


Another way of interpreting this is that Curry can shoot from farther away so he had more options and took them. Jordan not having that same ability had to settle for harder shots.

Manny98 09-12-2019 01:15 PM

Re: Steph Curry is the GOAT
 
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Originally Posted by Bronbron23
Nope prime Wade was better especially in the finals. He was just as impactful on the offensive end and way more impactful on the defensive side of the ball. I won't even bother going in about how he pails compared to mj. Curry is not even in that conversation

Nope 2016 Curry is better than any MJ or Wade season. first and only unanimous MVP GOAT shit and his playoff run in 2017 is as good or better than any playoff run ever

28/6/7 off 66% TS 16-1 record when has MJ ever had a playoff run that dominant

superduper 09-12-2019 01:20 PM

Re: Steph Curry is the GOAT
 
Hey Manny I noticed you started stanning Curry recently out of nowhere.

Where do you have him on your top 11 all time list? Just a reminder of your current list, here it is:

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Originally Posted by Manny98
1. MJ
2.Kareem
3. Shaq
4. Hakeem
5. Russell
6. Wilt
7. Duncan
8. Magic
9. Bird
10. Kobe
11. Lebron

He's not top 10 but definitely top 20


3ball 09-12-2019 02:27 PM

Re: Steph Curry is the GOAT
 
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Originally Posted by Stephonit

The "spacing strategy" is only possible if you have guys that can stretch the floor—someone like Curry.


89% of the entire league's threes are taken with 4+ feet of room - so the entire league is getting open threes just like Curry - again, it's today's spacing strategy that stretches the defense out so defenders can't recover in time


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Originally Posted by Stephonit

Another way of interpreting this is that Curry can shoot from farther away so he had more options and took them. Jordan not having that same ability had to settle for harder shots.


When Curry "decided" to shoot closer and more contested shots, he shot poorly - that's the point - he shoots poorly on contested mid-range and most of his threes are open - he simply isn't a good contested jumpshooter, which makes MJ the superior jumpshooter

And btw - MJ has championship runs where he shot at today's standard (40%+ on 4+ attempts), and shot 35.2% on 2.2 attempts in the 85-93' playoffs (thru 3 championship rings).. He simply chose to be a low-volume 3-point shooter/higher-caliber basketball player
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Stephonit 09-12-2019 05:36 PM

Re: Steph Curry is the GOAT
 
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Originally Posted by 3ball
89% of the entire league's threes are taken with 4+ feet of room - so the entire league is getting open threes just like Curry - again, it's today's spacing strategy that stretches the defense out so defenders can't recover in time

When Curry "decided" to shoot closer and more contested shots, he shot poorly - that's the point - he shoots poorly on contested mid-range and most of his threes are open - he simply isn't a good contested jumpshooter, which makes MJ the superior jumpshooter


A good shooter will move so that he gets shots that are more open. Compare Curry to Kyrie Irving for example. Irving has some awesome finishes, one might even be tempted to say it's proof he is a better shooter than Curry. Look more closely though and you will notice Curry gets open better. It is a skill in its own right. It's not as flashy but it is more effective.

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Originally Posted by 3ball
And btw - MJ has championship runs where he shot at today's standard (40%+ on 4+ attempts), and shot 35.2% on 2.2 attempts in the 85-93' playoffs (thru 3 championship rings).. He simply chose to be a low-volume 3-point shooter/higher-caliber basketball player.


From what I can see MJ had one year where he attempted 3.8 3-pointers per game at a rate of 38.9% in 1993. That's pretty much it unless you also count a year when the 3-point line was moved closer. But on another year with the closer 3-point line MJ shot at a rate of 19.4%. MJ is terrific at many things but any suggestion he is in Curry's class as a 3-point shooter is absurd.

Bronbron23 09-12-2019 09:03 PM

Re: Steph Curry is the GOAT
 
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Originally Posted by Manny98
Nope 2016 Curry is better than any MJ or Wade season. first and only unanimous MVP GOAT shit and his playoff run in 2017 is as good or better than any playoff run ever

28/6/7 off 66% TS 16-1 record when has MJ ever had a playoff run that dominant

Stop it with this ts garbage. You can be crap from the field and go 3/3 from the foul line and it will boost your true shooting to respectable. Curry's 2016 season is nowhere close to the best ever. Mj had multiple seasons that were better. His 87-88 he won MVP and dpoy. He scored 35 a game on 54% shooting. The following year mj went 33/8/8 on 54% shooting while still playing elite defence.

As far as playoffs goes. 28/6/7 is really good but Steph wasn't even the best player on his team that year in the playoffs. Kd had the exact same playoff stats( while playing defence mind you) while having a way better finals. Scored almost 9 more points a game on way better efficiency again while playing elite defence.

Steph is nowhere near mj man but good try

Turbo Slayer 09-12-2019 09:13 PM

Re: Steph Curry is the GOAT
 
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Originally Posted by 3ball
1.)

2019 Regular Season "closest defender" stats on 3-pointers


Curry





Total 3-point attempts per game:. 11.6
Attempts that are "open" (4-6 feet) or "wide open" (6+ feet):. 9.3
__________________________________________________ ___________
Percentage of attempts that are "open" or "wide open":. 80.2%

Conclusion on Curry - he needs space to shoot threes, thus hurting him in the clutch compared to good mid-range players, who don't need any room and can get the shot whenever they want




TLDR: 80% of Curry's threes are open... The league average is 89%

Common knowledge: today's spacing strategy gives defenses no chance to cover the ground (hence the open threes)




2.)


Curry is bad at contested mid-range:

2019 Playoffs




https://stats.nba.com/player/201939/...nType=Playoffs


TLDR:. Curry shoots 29% on tightly contested two's outside of 10 feet, and 39% on contested - so he shoots bad at contested mid-range, which means he's bad at contested jumpers overall because 80% of his threes are open (see #1 above).

So MJ is a better jumpshooter than Curry because he's better at contested jumpers, while being the goat mid-range shooter..

and MJ shot 40% on threes on 4 attempts during a championship run and in the Finals without practicing threes like today's player, so just naturally because his form is goat and he has goat fundamentals

NEVAAA!!!!! Curry is GOATTTT!!!!!!!!

Turbo Slayer 09-12-2019 09:19 PM

Re: Steph Curry is the GOAT
 
Troll thread srry folks:roll:

Manny98 09-12-2019 09:27 PM

Re: Steph Curry is the GOAT
 
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Originally Posted by Bronbron23
Stop it with this ts garbage. You can be crap from the field and go 3/3 from the foul line and it will boost your true shooting to respectable. Curry's 2016 season is nowhere close to the best ever. Mj had multiple seasons that were better. His 87-88 he won MVP and dpoy. He scored 35 a game on 54% shooting. The following year mj went 33/8/8 on 54% shooting while still playing elite defence.

As far as playoffs goes. 28/6/7 is really good but Steph wasn't even the best player on his team that year in the playoffs. Kd had the exact same playoff stats( while playing defence mind you) while having a way better finals. Scored almost 9 more points a game on way better efficiency again while playing elite defence.

Steph is nowhere near mj man but good try

Your such a Hater

Currys 2016 season is literally the best ever in virtually every single metric. He led a team to 73 wins ffs and orchestrated one of the greatest NBA offense ever with only Klay as the only other decent scoring threat

Only LeBron and MJ had seasons better than Curry in 2016 in the 3 point era

Curry is at least on par with MJ on offense and arguably better

"Not close" my ass

Bronbron23 09-12-2019 09:46 PM

Re: Steph Curry is the GOAT
 
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Originally Posted by Manny98
Your such a Hater

Currys 2016 season is literally the best ever in virtually every single metric. He led a team to 73 wins ffs and orchestrated one of the greatest NBA offense ever with only Klay as the only other decent scoring threat

Only LeBron and MJ had seasons better than Curry in 2016 in the 3 point era

Curry is at least on par with MJ on offense and arguably better

"Not close" my ass

I'm not a hatter at all. I've said many times Steph is amazing. He's just no mj is all. Yeah his 2016 "regular season" was close offensively to mj's best but the NBA season includes the playoffs also. The playoffs and finals given the competition and importance is more important than the regular season even though it's less games. Curry's 2016 playoffs is nowhere near most of mj's playoff runs. Curry had 25 a game that year in the playoffs on good efficiency. Mj only has one playoff season below 29 and has like 6 or 7 above 35 a game. All on good efficiency. Curry dosnt have any playoff runs of 30 or more. I won't even go in on how much better mj is in the finals.

There's levels to this shit and curry isnt on mj's level

fourkicks44 09-12-2019 10:36 PM

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GimmeThat 09-12-2019 11:50 PM

Re: Steph Curry is the GOAT
 
unfortunately, going into next season, I don't see Stephen Curry being anything more than a bench player. The Golden State Warriors rely more on Draymond Green to create plays than Curry.

what good is having perhaps the best 3 point shooter by percentages yet being ranked at #21 in team offensive rebound? as to the amount of attempts, they didn't have a player with a disparity in 2PA compared to the rest of the team to justify Curry's shot attempts.

as to it should be a team effort on those 2 point field goals, unfortunately that same argument would tie back to 3 point attempts as well. the demonstration of a complete lack of team concept.

and Klay Thompson is essentially overweight, or their away record wouldn't take such a big toll


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