the Bobcats got the #4 pick.
who do you think we should get with this pick?
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the Bobcats got the #4 pick.
who do you think we should get with this pick?
Alex Len
Anthony Bennett
[QUOTE=rufuspaul]Alex Len[/QUOTE]
that's cool too though!
[QUOTE=Quizno]Anthony Bennett[/QUOTE]
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Love it. How about Perry Como and Dean Martin while we're at it?
[QUOTE=onewickedlady]Love it. How about Perry Como and Dean Martin while we're at it?[/QUOTE]
:oldlol:
most exciting bobcats team in years
Oladipo ...
[QUOTE=rufuspaul]Alex Len[/QUOTE]
agree with this, bobcats need size in the frontcourt to contend.
Len
Biyombo
MKG
Hendo(if we sign him)
Walker
pretty good to me.
[QUOTE=treadster]agree with this, bobcats need size in the frontcourt to contend.
Len
Biyombo
MKG
Hendo(if we sign him)
Walker
pretty good to me.[/QUOTE]
Len is injured.. not a good start.
[QUOTE=veilside23]Len is injured.. not a good start.[/QUOTE]
He has time to recover before the season start
Since Charlotte drafted my two favorite UConn players, Okafor and Kemba, I have always had some interest in them. I think the Bobcats are better off taking Oladipo, and here's why...
This draft is not very good. No matter what, you know Oladipo will be a high-caliber defender. But defense also happens to be the center point of MKG, which is exactly why they should go for Oladipo. In my opinion the Bobcats have to be looking at the 2014 draft. They've sucked forever, sooner or later they have to get that elusive #1 pick. There are two very probably situations that may occur.
1. Charlotte gets #1 pick, takes Wiggins.
2. Charlotte is lower, gets Julius Randle.
Now the first scenario is what I think will happen next year. And really, it does not make much sense to have MKG and Wiggins on the same team. But by taking Oladipo, you retain that elite wing defense MKG provides, while making MKG expendable. And if Eric Bledsoe is any indication MKG would be pure gold on the 2014 trade market. Could probably even get some package together for Love. Walker/Oladipo/Wiggins/Love/scrub is a damn good team.
And if scenario #2 happens? Just ask LeBron and D-Wade how much they like being defended by Green and Leonard. Oladipo and MKG would be even better. Kemba Walker is a legit #2 scoring option, and you don't see it much these days but Randle can be your top scorer in the post. I truly believe he is the next best PF, only behind Duncan, KG, and Dirk. Walker/Oladipo/MKG/Randle/scrub is also good, but not quite as good. If Oladipo retains his high percentage scoring ability and if MKG develops enough offense to be considered a third option, then the team is looking good.
And even if these two scenarios do not happen, there is always Jabari Parker. Being a local Dukie, going on to play for the hometown NBA team may put a few more fannies in those seats. Not to mention he also happens to be a damn good player. Really, it should be the goal of the Bobcats to be one of the three worst teams next year. One more year of sucking Bobcat fans, it will be worth it.
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I can't believe Nerlens Noel slipped to # 6 after so many mock drafts had him going much higher. I think looking back we'll regret letting Noel slip and making a questionable pick in the seven-footer Cody. Yes, legit big men in the NBA are diamonds in the rough, but if a guy has the potential to be a superstar, even though that chance is low (Noel), if he's the best or one of the best in the draft, why do you let him slip away? Because there was a "decent" seven-footer on the board? Even though there's relatively zero percent chance the dude will ever be a franchise-level player or real star in the league?
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Sums up my feelings pretty well.
Very disappointed they didn't take a chance on Noel or McLemore. What the hell have they got to lose?
I hope Zeller works out, but hell, can't help but feel this is another front office full retard moment.
a hard day to be a bobcats fan
[QUOTE=treadster]a hard day to be a bobcats fan[/QUOTE]
... are you on board with me and ukballer thinking letting Noel slip away was a bonehead move by front office management?
I mean think about it: there's certainly that consistent all-star perhaps even "superstar" potential in Nerlens Noel ... and we passed that up for someone primarily based on the fact he's a seven-footer. I'm just not understanding the logic behind such a high draft pick.
If this were a # 8 - 12 pick, and Cody Zeller is still on the board, OK I can see the logic; after all, one of our biggest weaknesses right now is not having a legit center. The Zeller pick fills that void, but with a Top 5 pick, you have to be thinking about a caliber player with at least "some" superstar potential!
Dwayne Wade was selected at what # 5 right? Yes, I realize the 2004 NBA Draft was a special draft class, but come on, if you could only name one single player in this year's draft that had "superstar potential" written all over them, wouldn't it be Nerlens Noel? It's sure as hell NOT Cody Zellar.
I mean the ultimate nightmare is this Nerlens Noel dude advances let's say 3-5 years into the league, and he makes the 76ers (or whoever he's playing for) a title contender. Is this likely, I'd say no, not just him being a single player having that high of an impact, but it's certainly within the realm of being a possibility. Anything well beyond the "potential" of a single player named Cody Zeller. At best, Cody Zeller makes a couple all-star appearances within his career; mainly by default for obvious reasons.
Is Nerlens Noel the next Carmello Anthony, a more apples/oranges comparison in D.Wade or the next Chris Bosh, honestly, I doubt it, but honestly, it surely wouldn't surprise me if he did. If we as a franchise are going to take risks, we should damn sure be taking the ones that make the most sense. This was a Top 5 pick! I feel like it's Adam Morrison all over again, and the crazy thing is, Adam Morrison had way more hype around him than this Cody Zeller kid!
It just sickens me when franchises in general seemingly accept mediocrity. It's why I dislike the Milwaukee Bucks so much, just as an example. Meaning no disrespect to the city or the franchise, but they're not a big draw when it comes to free agency targets. Yet instead of building through the draft, they sign mid-level talent to higher level contracts (S-Jax, Maggette, Jefferson, Monta are instantly names that come to mind), and just sit on the outside, or just inside the playoff spots, never any better. I'm not condoning tanking, but they rarely move out of their comfort zone. I know Charlotte is a different situation, but I'm talking more mediocrity in general.
We were all pissed when we 'only' got the #4 pick. Never in our right mind did we think Noel would slip to us, and even McLemore or Len until a few weeks ago. As mentioned elsewhere by someone here I think, Zeller is the 'safe' option. I don't see all-star games in his future, in fact I just see a solid role player in the making. Where's the upside? But I don't understand why the Bobcats of all franchises would not take a chance on drafting Noel based on the potential being touted around. If it doesn't work out in regards to Noel becoming an all-star, I'm sure Noel will still be an impact player at least defensively. I don't see what makes Zeller the more attractive option over Noel, even with Noel barely out of crutches.
This kind of unwillingness for a lowly franchise to take an opportunity like this when it falls right into their lap will only hold them back throughout the years.
i'm gonna have to disagree with you guys; i think zeller is a fantastic pick. i know a lot of people are on the noel train, but i don't think he can contribute much to this team. we drafted by need . if there's one thing the bobcats need it's a low post scorer and zeller has by far the best post game in the draft. i don't remember the last time the bobcats had a big that could iso with his back to the basket and score consistently. okafor was okay at it but zeller's going to be better
on top of that, he's a pretty good defender too and a hustle guy. i think he's a lock for first team all rookie and should be in contention for ROY. maybe i'm overrating the guy but i think he'll be fantastic for us
i don't see the "nerlens noel potential superstar" stuff. i know it's a pretty common opinion but i just really don't see it. he has no post game at all and almost all of his buckets are on putbacks. he has potential to be a legit rim protector but if bismack biyombo fulfills his potential he should be able to fill that role. bottom line is the bobcats need offense, specifically low post offense, and zeller provides that better than any big in the draft
we're all just waiting for wiggins to come to charlotte anyway :D
[QUOTE=Quizno]i'm gonna have to disagree with you guys; i think zeller is a fantastic pick. i know a lot of people are on the noel train, but i don't think he can contribute much to this team. we drafted by need . if there's one thing the bobcats need it's a low post scorer and zeller has by far the best post game in the draft. i don't remember the last time the bobcats had a big that could iso with his back to the basket and score consistently. okafor was okay at it but zeller's going to be better
on top of that, he's a pretty good defender too and a hustle guy. i think he's a lock for first team all rookie and should be in contention for ROY. maybe i'm overrating the guy but i think he'll be fantastic for us
i don't see the "nerlens noel potential superstar" stuff. i know it's a pretty common opinion but i just really don't see it. he has no post game at all and almost all of his buckets are on putbacks. he has potential to be a legit rim protector but if bismack biyombo fulfills his potential he should be able to fill that role. bottom line is the bobcats need offense, specifically low post offense, and zeller provides that better than any big in the draft
we're all just waiting for wiggins to come to charlotte anyway :D[/QUOTE]
I'm starting to come around to this thinking myself. It took awhile to pick my jaw up off the ground last night but now it's making more sense. Noel slipped to 6 because word on the street is that his injury might be career-breaking, ala Greg Oden. McLemore is gonna be a star but we already have Hendo. We needed a big and the 2 left were Len and Zeller. Both have their pros and cons but Len just had ankle surgery which can be problematic for a big guy. Zeller was the safe pick. As a result the Cats didn't extend a qualifying offer to Mullens, so Cody is our guy. I hope Ewing can toughen him up.
I actually think it was an excellent pick. With Kemba, Hendo (hopefully), MKG and Bismack as the starters, he's the only guy available that would fit with this group.
Personally I think Len, Noel and McLemore are very overrated prospects. Len is a good scorer and pretty bad at everything else, Noel is a good shot-blocker, from what I saw he wasn't an amazing defender, he was just good & I really don't get all the hype around McLemore, he seems like a good 2/3 option or 6th man at BEST and I don't see his floor being too high.
Given what we KNOW about Zeller; He can rebound, score from the post, step out and hit 10-12 footers, run the floor and play above-average D- I'd say he was the best available option.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one I think, I really would have liked us to take a chance and see if we could extract this potential being touted for a Noel, Len or McLemore. Totally respect and get what you're saying about Zeller though. Time to move on and support the guys we have, hoping Zeller has a great career with Charlotte!
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I don't know much about this guy, does he have a shot at making the opening day roster?
[QUOTE=ukballer]
I don't know much about this guy, does he have a shot at making the opening day roster?[/QUOTE]
Right handed Delonte West with better character, I really liked him and I was sure he would be a 2nd round pick loved watching him in college. He's got good size and is a jack of all trades but a master of none, could be a decent back up combo or PG.
Sorry to lurk your team board like this, but it isn't so bad. If you guys suck again this year, you will likely land a far bigger impact player who will turn your club around next year. Not even Jordan can fcuk up picking Wiggins at #1 :pimp:
[QUOTE=poido123]Sorry to lurk your team board like this, but it isn't so bad. If you guys suck again this year, you will likely land a far bigger impact player who will turn your club around next year. Not even Jordan can fcuk up picking Wiggins at #1 :pimp:[/QUOTE]
I'm just not entirely sold on the NBA lottery system truly being a lottery. I can't see David Stern allowing an impact player the caliber of Wiggins going to Charlotte; meaning we're not getting a # 1 pick. It's amazing we have never had a # 1 pick so far. Wasn't Morrison our highest pick ever, at # 3? We've made the playoffs once, and more often than not we're among the league's worst of the worst. Yet, no # 1 pick, ever. How often does Sacramento get the # 1 pick either, even though they've had dozens of horrific seasons.
[QUOTE=Legend of Josh] Yet, no # 1 pick, ever. How often does Sacramento get the # 1 pick either, even though they've had dozens of horrific seasons.[/QUOTE]
Highest pick we got recently was #4 and that was Tyreke I think
[QUOTE=Legend of Josh]I'm just not entirely sold on the NBA lottery system truly being a lottery. I can't see David Stern allowing an impact player the caliber of Wiggins going to Charlotte; meaning we're not getting a # 1 pick. It's amazing we have never had a # 1 pick so far. Wasn't Morrison our highest pick ever, at # 3? We've made the playoffs once, and more often than not we're among the league's worst of the worst. Yet, no # 1 pick, ever. How often does Sacramento get the # 1 pick either, even though they've had dozens of horrific seasons.[/QUOTE]
Except Stern isnt running the show anymore. You guys will get better next year, but I dont see it this year.
[QUOTE=poido123]Except Stern isnt running the show anymore. You guys will get better next year, but I dont see it this year.[/QUOTE]
So if not this year, which year? Next year, the year thereafter? Do you think we'll land Wiggins? Do you think the lottery system is legit? These are some vital questions (especially the latter one) that will either make or break our franchise. Honestly, I feel if we tanked the season, finished 10-72, and next worst record in the league is say Sacramento, 20-62 - with ___% chance of getting the # 1 pick - I just don't see us getting that pick.
I don't think a system like the NFL is the answer either - because you literally would have teams "tanking" seasons in order to acquire very high draft picks. No other league does a single player have as much of an impact in the league as the NBA. There'd virtually be a playoff season at the end of the regular season to see who can lose the most games once their mathematically eliminated from post season contention.
I'm probably just being paranoid with my conspiracy theory on the lottery system not being legit - but am I alone in thinking? Do some, any of you all, feel/believe the NBA's lottery system isn't a fair and just system? I know I can't be entirely alone on this. Am I?
:confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=poido123]Except Stern isnt running the show anymore. You guys will get better next year, but I dont see it this year.[/QUOTE]
... and what ... what do you mean "Stern isn't running the show anymore" ? Did I miss something? I he no longer league commissioner?
* a quick interesting fact that I just discovered on wiki looking up info on Stern; he's a member of the highly controversial group Council on Foreign Relations. I found this LOL worthy, and honestly, not entirely surprising. I think some folks just don't realize just how influential and powerful the NBA is on much of the world's youth; and is only gaining ground in this regard.
Isn't it predicted that at some point in the distant future, basketball will surpass soccer/football as the world's most popular sport? We all know it's booming in China and South America. It'll take much more work in Europe and even Latin America to catch up to soccer, but it's not out of the realm of possibility, is it?
IMO, basketball just seems more like a natural fit to be the world's one true "universal sport" ... it's the perfect sport. True basketball nuts stand up and agree!
:dancin :basketball :djparty
If, as lots of folks agree, the refereeing is fixed, then why would the Lottery be any more or less legit? :confusedshrug:
Lebron ditches Cleveland and they get 2 #1 picks in 3 years. A new owner emerges in New Orleans to take that franchise off the NBA books and they get the #1 pick. Coincidence? Who knows? But if it is fixed then next year would be the perfect time for the Hornets' rebirth in the league to get the #1 pick. It would be a win-win for the league.
[QUOTE=rufuspaul]Lebron ditches Cleveland and they get 2 #1 picks in 3 years. A new owner emerges in New Orleans to take that franchise off the NBA books and they get the #1 pick. Coincidence? Who knows? But if it is fixed then next year would be the perfect time for the Hornets' rebirth in the league to get the #1 pick. It would be a win-win for the league.[/QUOTE]
Sort of illustrates why Timmeh moved on.
highest pick you guys got is okafor .. in 04 ;) #2 but seriously even if you guys get top 5 guys next year can make a difference
wiggins
parker
randle or smart
smart or harison
so not bad enough .... next year cleananthony early and laquinton ross would be second rounders... so just pick a gem
thats a good young core
kemba
hendo
MKG / jefferson?
biz
zeller
I thought that I read that Jefferson is being considered to be our starting center. Does that mean that Biz will come off the bench? I hope not because Biz improves constantly and I think he'll be an even more important piece of our puzzle next season. But then we should have a very strong bench so a much improved Biz off the bench may turn out to be a good thing.
[QUOTE=onewickedlady]I thought that I read that Jefferson is being considered to be our starting center. Does that mean that Biz will come off the bench? I hope not because Biz improves constantly and I think he'll be an even more important piece of our puzzle next season. But then we should have a very strong bench so a much improved Biz off the bench may turn out to be a good thing.[/QUOTE]
It seems like Jefferson and Biz would complement each other well. One being a post scorer and the other a defensive beast. I'm all for signing AJ as long as we don't overpay him. He's supposed to visit with the Cats on Wednesday. My guess is he'll pass us over for more money though.
[QUOTE=rufuspaul]Lebron ditches Cleveland and they get 2 #1 picks in 3 years. A new owner emerges in New Orleans to take that franchise off the NBA books and they get the #1 pick. Coincidence? Who knows? But if it is fixed then next year would be the perfect time for the Hornets' rebirth in the league to get the #1 pick. It would be a win-win for the league.[/QUOTE]
No way, Boston tanks and get reborn into a contender with the #1 pick in a stacked draft would be the best conspiracy theory in my mind.