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pauk 04-15-2013 02:34 PM

Lebron vs Hakeem.
 
List of all their accolades:

..........................LeBron.................H akeem..............
MVP........................4...................... ...1..................
FMVP......................1....................... ...2.................
CHAMP....................1........................ ..2.................
1st All-NBA..............7..........................6..... ............
1st All-Defensive.......5..........................5...... ...........
ROTY.....................Yes...................... .No................
DPOY......................0....................... ...2.................
Best Player...........4+ years................2 years.............
All-Star....................9........................1 2.................
All-Star MVP.............2.........................0....... ...........
POTM.....................25....................... .5..................
....................................STATS......... ......................
PPG.......................27.6.................... .21.8...............
RPG........................7.3.................... ..11.1..............
APG........................6.9.................... ...2.5...............
SPG........................1.7.................... ...1.7...............
BPG........................0.8.................... ....3.1..............
TS%......................57.5%...................5 5.3%...........
eFG%.....................52.4%...................5 1.3%...........
WS/48....................24.1.....................17. 7..............
PER........................27.6................... ..23.6..............



What say you? I think LeBron already has a very strong case..... and i think if he gets another FMVP/Championship this season then its really not that debatable anymore...

LikeABosh 04-15-2013 02:36 PM

Re: Lebron vs Hakeem.
 
Yes, Lebron goes past Hakeem easily if the he wins the Finals MVP this season. You care way too much about his legacy though

Jlamb47 04-15-2013 02:37 PM

Re: Lebron vs Hakeem.
 
I think if LBJ wins this year and take FMVP he gets the nod but Hakeem right now

All Net 04-15-2013 02:38 PM

Re: Lebron vs Hakeem.
 
Only a matter of time really.

DaSeba5 04-15-2013 02:39 PM

Re: Lebron vs Hakeem.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jlamb47
I think if LBJ wins this year and take FMVP he gets the nod but Hakeem right now


This.

bmd 04-15-2013 02:40 PM

Re: Lebron vs Hakeem.
 
They play completely different positions and I don't think they can really be compared.

Rubio2Gasol 04-15-2013 02:41 PM

Re: Lebron vs Hakeem.
 
A strong case for what exactly? Hakeem was a better offensive player and a much better defensive player at the end of the day.

Quintilianus 04-15-2013 02:45 PM

Re: Lebron vs Hakeem.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pauk
List of all their accolades:

..........................LeBron.................H akeem..............
MVP........................4...................... ...1..................
FMVP......................1....................... ...2.................
CHAMP....................1........................ ..2.................
1st All-NBA..............7..........................6..... ............
1st All-Defensive.......5..........................5...... ...........
ROTY.....................Yes...................... .No................
DPOY......................0....................... ...2.................
Best Player...........2 years................2 years.............
All-Star....................9........................1 2.................
All-Star MVP.............2.........................0....... ...........
POTM.....................25....................... .5..................
....................................STATS......... ......................
PPG.......................27.6.................... .21.8...............
RPG........................7.3.................... ..11.1..............
APG........................6.9.................... ...2.5...............
SPG........................1.7.................... ...1.7...............
BPG........................0.8.................... ....3.1..............
TS%......................57.5%...................5 5.3%...........
eFG%.....................52.4%...................5 1.3%...........
WS/48....................24.1.....................17. 7..............
PER........................27.6................... ..23.6..............

I corrected the bolded, you made a mistake.
And lol@POTM, WS/48, TS%, PER. They have absolutely no value in comparing players, absolutely zero.

You gotta look at Hakeem's team's, he had a real contending roster for like three-four years through-out his career. Still has two rings, outplayed the second most dominant force in the paint ever in shaq in the finals, outplayed ewing in other finals.
There's no case for lebron yet, unless you care about mvp's, ts%, PER.
If you care about things that actually have value and quality of the game without a second ring Lebron has no case.
And if that's lebron's peak he'll probably won't reach hakeem's peak. I don't think that peak is something that should be very valuable in comparing players too, but you seem to adore that idea, so just throwing it out there

Patrick Chewing 04-15-2013 02:45 PM

Re: Lebron vs Hakeem.
 
They can't be compared, but there's no way Lebron can guard against the Dream Shake. Nobody could.

zizozain 04-15-2013 02:46 PM

Re: Lebron vs Hakeem.
 
......................................LeBron...... ...........Hakeem..............

Cracking Under Pressure ....... 197.................... 0 ...................

chokes .............................. 376....................0 ....................

tough mentality ..................2/10 ...................10/10................


Year Player .......... Team .......... P R A B S

1987 Olajuwon, Hakeem Houston 38 17 06 12 07*
1990 Olajuwon, Hakeem Houston 29 18 10 12 05
1992 Olajuwon, Hakeem Houston 19 13 06 05 05
1993 Robinson, David San Antonio 29 05 05 10 05
1993 Coleman, Derek New Jersey 21 10 07 05 07
1993 Olajuwon, Hakeem Houston 33 13 05 05 05
1993 Olajuwon, Hakeem Houston 24 19 06 05 05
1993 Olajuwon, Hakeem Houston 34 10 05 08 05
1995 Divac, Vlade LA Lakers 19 12 08 05 05
2001 Tinsley,Jamaal Indiana 12 09 15 05 06
2003 Kirilenko,Andrei Utah 19 05 07 05 08
2003 Kirilenko,Andrei Utah 10 12 06 05 06
2004 Camby,Marcus Denver 08 11 05 08 05
2006 Kirilenko,Andrei Utah 14 08 09 07 06
2012 Batum, Nicolas Portland 11 10 05 05 05

* Stats before 1990 are not listed. also, Blocks and Steals where not kept before 1972

pauk 04-15-2013 02:47 PM

Re: Lebron vs Hakeem.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LikeABosh
Yes, Lebron goes past Hakeem easily if the he wins the Finals MVP this season. You care way too much about his legacy though


Hm... just thought i would demonstrate this after seeing so many posters here thinking the Lebron vs Hakeem comparison is futile.... thats all...

pauk 04-15-2013 02:49 PM

Re: Lebron vs Hakeem.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rubio2Gasol
A strong case for what exactly? Hakeem was a better offensive player and a much better defensive player at the end of the day.


Offensive player? No... just no..

Defensive player? Yes...

zizozain 04-15-2013 02:51 PM

Re: Lebron vs Hakeem.
 
......................................LeBron...... ...........Hakeem..............

clutch ....................... non-existent ...............clutch ..............

zizozain 04-15-2013 02:53 PM

Re: Lebron vs Hakeem.
 
Hakeem had NOBODY, and wild-shooting, 33 year old Clyde Drexler on his. While Hakeem was surrounded by role-players (and Clyde),

Lebron had TWO superstar.

Quintilianus 04-15-2013 02:53 PM

Re: Lebron vs Hakeem.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pauk
Offensive player? No... just no..

Defensive player? Yes...

He's a center, based on what he's doing and his abilities, he was a dominant force offensively. And still was best defensive player for x years in a row while doing that.
If anything, Hakeem is underrated, he has a case for being the best center ever


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