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Lebron-Wade BIG PROBLEM Fantastic Piece
First of all lebron is choking(no denying that) but wade is killing the entire team literally.I was watching the finals in my native language commentators were talking about wade the entire time(how spurs completely ignores him.)Its amazing.
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Tom Haberstroh @tomhaberstroh
The Heat have a Dwyane Wade problem and the Spurs are exploiting it to stop LeBron. [url]http://es.pn/12myksk[/url]
If you were to design a co-pilot for LeBron James on the court, would it look anything like this version of Dwyane Wade?
That
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VERY good article.
Not only does he hurt the spacing, but he hurts LeBrons game because LeBron and Wade are obvious bros so LeBron will look to actively involve Wade trying way too hard to set him up.
Popovich must've been reading my posts during the rest of the playoff series. I kept wondering why teams would even bother to guard Wade. EVERY SINGLE TIME he goes for some lame pump fake when he catches the ball 15 feet away from the hoop, EVERY time. Its obvious he doesn't want to shoot it. When he does take a shot it is way off and ugly as hell.. His handle isn't even good anymore, hes dribbled it off his foot plenty of times.
A 6'3 32 year old guard has no place on an NBA court if he can't make anything other than layups/dunks.
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Popovich must've been reading my posts[/QUOTE]
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Omfg I have been saying this for the longest time. When I first started watching basketball I somehow became a Dwyane Wade stan and worshipped him. I used to hate Lebron at the time because I honestly felt like Wade was better but didn't get the same recognition. Lebron is doing waaaay too much work on the court; has been since the season started. If you switched Wade with Kobe would the Heat be having these problems? Wade is useless when he gets the ball and doesn't need to be guarded as hard as most teams do. He just isn't that good anymore.
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[QUOTE=TonyMontana]VERY good article.
Not only does he hurt the spacing, but he hurts LeBrons game because LeBron and Wade are obvious bros so LeBron will look to actively involve Wade trying way too hard to set him up.
Popovich must've been reading my posts during the rest of the playoff series. I kept wondering why teams would even bother to guard Wade. EVERY SINGLE TIME he goes for some lame pump fake when he catches the ball 15 feet away from the hoop, EVERY time. Its obvious he doesn't want to shoot it. When he does take a shot it is way off and ugly as hell.. His handle isn't even good anymore, hes dribbled it off his foot plenty of times.
A 6'3 32 year old guard has no place on an NBA court if he can't make anything other than layups/dunks.[/QUOTE]
I like how you took an inch off his height and added a year onto his age :roll:
Imma HUGE Wade guy but the article definitely has [B]much [/B]merit
I just cannot understand for the life of me how a 10 year NBA vet SG has still not developed a catch and shoot game. Many times Wade's guy will be 5-10 ft away from him and he'll pump fake then dribble RIGHT towards the thick of the defense.
It's mind-numbing, even if you shoot below 40% on those shots, just by catching and shooting in those situations it's better for offensive continuity and rhythm EVEN WHEN YOU'RE NOT MAKING THE SHOTS.
Certain situations in basketball you HAVE to shoot the ball IMO. Wade has always been a guy who is way too concerned about missing, being able to finish at 70% rate at the rim on 8+ attempts is a gift and curse.
Players who've never had that kind of athletic ability are FORCED to maximize their jumpshots, Wade has never had to RELY on his jump shot. Now that he's older and only 6'4 his game looks REALLY clunky.
same for his handles, he could always get right to the bucket for a dunk off a high screen with 1 or two dribbles. He hasn't spent enough time developing his "little guard" skills.
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So ESPN trys to find a excuse for lebron choking.
And of course they are blaming Wade. In the end, it will not be Lebron`s fault.
It is also wade fault that Lebron can`t hit a jumper when they are guarding him 10 feet away, and that Lebron facial expression is of someone completely shitted and scared.
The same can be said about james. They pack wade`s drives because lebron is scared to shoot a jumper.
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been saying this all playoffs. Wade is poison on the court. Don't know when it happened, or how, or why, nor care.
But it's fact and about time somebody else noticed it because I was getting lonesome telling all that truth by myself.
Best way to destroy Miami is to go straight at Dwyane Wade and run him through multiple down low screens.
Run him through Leonard, then Duncan, then flatten him with a Splitter screen.... and you got easy basket after easy basket and Wade will be whining by halftime.
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[QUOTE=Akhenaten]I like how you took an inch off his height and added a year onto his age :roll:
Imma HUGE Wade guy but the article definitely has [B]much [/B]merit
I just cannot understand for the life of me how a 10 year NBA vet SG has still not developed a catch and shoot game. Many times Wade's guy will be 5-10 ft away from him and he'll pump fake then dribble RIGHT towards the thick of the defense.
It's mind-numbing, even if you shoot below 40% on those shots, just by catching and shooting in those situations it's better for offensive continuity and rhythm EVEN WHEN YOU'RE NOT MAKING THE SHOTS.
Certain situations in basketball you HAVE to shoot the ball IMO. Wade has always been a guy who is way too concerned about missing, being able to finish at 70% rate at the rim on 8+ attempts is a gift and curse.
Players who've never had that kind of athletic ability are FORCED to maximize their jumpshots, Wade has never had to RELY on his jump shot. Now that he's older and only 6'4 his game looks REALLY clunky.
same for his handles, he could always get right to the bucket for a dunk off a high screen with 1 or two dribbles. He hasn't spent enough time developing his "little guard" skills.[/QUOTE]
He is 6'3 though.
He said it himself
lebron talked about it.
Though he plays bigger than he is because of his incredible ath.ability(past) and wingspan and his size 220+ at 6'3-6'4
Though it still doesnt change the fact that he cant shoot to save his life as you talked about
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Wade as a 6th man is a fantastic idea?
:lol :lol ,,,what has the world come down to. It's all about making excuses for the K..bleep...bleep....the Queen. Looks like another ESPN writer that voted James for MVP. Series prediction 4-0 Miami Sweep.
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Wades mid range game used to be money too.
I dont think this man puts the necesary reps in to maintain those skills. More concerned with his fashion.
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Good piece and you can't deny the numbers and what we're seeing...but it reads like ESPN deflecting blame from Lebron by deriding the armchair psychology aspects that are equally as valid as the stats.
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but but i thought dwade is light years better than TP right??
oh damn .... its hard when are a team mate of the best player ever... your game gets a hard blow if your team loses but they dont even lick at your performance if you win they give all praises to LeGawd....
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Originally Posted by TonyMontana
VERY good article.
Not only does he hurt the spacing, but he hurts LeBrons game because LeBron and Wade are obvious bros so LeBron will look to actively involve Wade trying way too hard to set him up.
Popovich must've been reading my posts during the rest of the playoff series. I kept wondering why teams would even bother to guard Wade. EVERY SINGLE TIME he goes for some lame pump fake when he catches the ball 15 feet away from the hoop, EVERY time. Its obvious he doesn't want to shoot it. When he does take a shot it is way off and ugly as hell.. His handle isn't even good anymore, hes dribbled it off his foot plenty of times.
A 6'3 32 year old guard has no place on an NBA court if he can't make anything other than layups/dunks.[/QUOTE]
I'm almost convinced you're a pauk alt.
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[QUOTE=KG215]I'm almost convinced you're a pauk alt.[/QUOTE]
Any Lebron or self-proclaimed Heat fan can be an alt in this forum.
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[QUOTE=arifgokcen]He is 6'3 though.
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his official pre-draft measurement without shoes is 6'3 and 3/4
just like Lebron is really only 6'7 (officially measured at 6'7 and 1/4)
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Its incredible how a player in his 10th year can barely make a WIDE OPEN mid range shot, all this crap about an injured knee is incredibly overblown. Im pretty sure its harder to dunk on an injured knee than pull up from mid range.
. I cant even remember the last time he hit a 3.
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[QUOTE=Derka]Good piece and you can't deny the numbers and what we're seeing...but it reads like ESPN deflecting blame from Lebron by deriding the armchair psychology aspects that are equally as valid as the stats.[/QUOTE]
yup, we all know this typical ESPN spinning for Lebron
but the arguments made in the article is apparent to any objective observer
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[QUOTE=Akhenaten]yup, we all know this typical ESPN spinning for Lebron
but the arguments made in the article is apparent to any objective observer[/QUOTE]
I definitely don't dispute the numbers and my own eye test tells me Wade is killing them right now...but I don't callously shrug the psychology of Lebron the way ESPN does, either. It does matter to a degree.
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Lebron has played bad the last two games, but Wade has been absolute shiit the entire season. I think he needs to lose 15lbs and move to the pg spot. He definitely should start taking shot...no matter how horrible.
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[QUOTE=WolfGang]Lebron has played bad the last two games, but Wade has been absolute shiit the entire season. I think he needs to lose 15lbs and move to the pg spot. He definitely should start taking shot...no matter how horrible.[/QUOTE
Nah Wade was great from about dec to march that was when Heat were playing best ball cause Lebron and Wade could both score 30 any night and Bosh was also playing alot better.
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[QUOTE=WolfGang]Lebron has played bad the last two games, but Wade has been absolute shiit the entire season. I think he needs to lose 15lbs and move to the pg spot. He definitely should start taking shot...no matter how horrible.[/QUOTE]
Nope. He was actually pretty good in the regular season, especially for a stretch during their win streak. He has been absolute shit in the postseason though. The only times I can really remember him playing good was the 4th quarter in game 5 against the Bulls and game 7 against the Pacers.
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If other star players are smart and have any concern for their own productivity and actually being allowed to help a team win by contributing their full skillset instead of just catching and shooting they'd steer clear of team with lebron on it.
It sickens me to see what his ball dominant style has reduced two players the caliber of wade and bosh to. Designated cutter and spot up shooter is all they've become. They must make all the sacrifice and changes to their game to accommodate him while he doesn't have to make any adjustment which would allow them to better help the team. Say what you want about Melo, Kobe and durant, but their offensive versatility at least allows other players to contribute without sacrificing an aspect of their game.
If Lebron could shoot the jumpers conceded to him would this article have even surfaced? I know wade and bosh never saw this coming. It's sad, really sad. The lineup suggested in the article puts Lebron right back in CLEVELAND playing 5 on 1 kicking out bailout passes for 3 and expecting to win a title.
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[QUOTE=I.R.Beast]If other star players are smart and have any concern for their own productivity and actually be allowed to help a team win by contributing their full skillset instead of just catching and shooting they'd steer clear of team with lebron on it.
It sickens me to see what his ball dominant style has reduced two players the caliber of wade and bosh to. Designated cutter and spot up shooter is all they've become. They must make all the sacrifice and changes to their game to accommodate him while he doesn't have to make any adjustment which would allow them to better help the team. Say what you want about Melo, Kobe and durant, but their offensive versatility at least allows other players to contribute without sacrificing an aspect of their game.
If Lebron could shoot the jumpers conceded to him would this article have even surfaced? I know wade adn bosh never saw this coming. It's sad, really sad. The lineup suggest in the article puts Lebron right back in CLEVELAND playing 5 on 1 kicking out bailout passes for 3 and expecting to win a title.[/QUOTE]
Agree with everything
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[QUOTE=I.R.Beast]If other star players are smart and have any concern for their own productivity and actually be allowed to help a team win by contributing their full skillset instead of just catching and shooting they'd steer clear of team with lebron on it.
It sickens me to see what his ball dominant style has reduced two players the caliber of wade and bosh to. Designated cutter and spot up shooter is all they've become. They must make all the sacrifice and changes to their game to accommodate him while he doesn't have to make any adjustment which would allow them to better help the team. Say what you want about Melo, Kobe and durant, but their offensive versatility at least allows other players to contribute without sacrificing an aspect of their game.
If Lebron could shoot the jumpers conceded to him would this article have even surfaced? I know wade adn bosh never saw this coming. It's sad, really sad. The lineup suggest in the article puts Lebron right back in CLEVELAND playing 5 on 1 kicking out bailout passes for 3 and expecting to win a title.[/QUOTE]
whats also sad here is that you amongst many other poster here don't realize that a player does not dictate the type of offense they run. They can call a play but thats a set play that should get people involved. Honestly do you even know what plays the heat run? In fact so much the heat offense is about ball movement for open 3s that besides lebron being dumb and dribbling out the clock without running a play they are more likely to run some kind of set plays that they seem to always change up and deliver no results. No one said here lebron shouldn't take any blame btw so...
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Wade/chalmers for Carmelo
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I'm not buying this "EVERYTHING is Wade's fault" analysis either.
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[QUOTE=eriX]whats also sad here is that you amongst many other poster here don't realize that a player does not dictate the type of offense they run. They can call a play but thats a set play that should get people involved. Honestly do you even know what plays the heat run? In fact so much the heat offense is about ball movement for open 3s that besides lebron being dumb and dribbling out the clock without running a play they are more likely to run some kind of set plays that they seem to always change up and deliver no results. No one said here lebron shouldn't take any blame btw so...[/QUOTE]
what are you blabbering about?.... I'm talking about what LeBron's style of play has done to wade and bosh and how he has made no adjustments to his game to allow them to work in unison... The heat offense is catered to LeBron instead of the Big 3 as a unit.
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This piece is spot on. Sorry it disappoints all of you who would rather just blame LeBron. James definitely needs to step it up, but the bulk of why the Heat are losing is that Wade is not only lacking in contribution, he's become a liability.
[QUOTE=Haks]Its incredible how a player in his 10th year can barely make a WIDE OPEN mid range shot, all this crap about an injured knee is incredibly overblown. Im pretty sure its harder to dunk on an injured knee than pull up from mid range.
. I cant even remember the last time he hit a 3.[/QUOTE]
It was Saturday, June 1, Game 7 against the Pacers. That was also the last game he even attempted a 3.
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Also, D-Wade shoots only 72% from the free throw line. That's pretty lousy for a guy who calls himself a "shooting" guard. He is who he is. He's not going to get much better before he's out of the league. Same for LeBron.
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[QUOTE=I.R.Beast]what are you blabbering about?.... I'm talking about what LeBron's style of play has done to wade and bosh and how he has made no adjustments to his game to allow them to work in unison... The heat offense is catered to LeBron instead of the Big 3 as a unit.[/QUOTE]
lebrons' playstyle in your sense is just ball dominate? How can you be ball dominate if the offense you run doesn't allow you to be? You just said the offense is catered to lebron yet you said he made no adjustment to his game to allow them to work in unison... so if spo decides to run the offense through lebron causing him to hold the ball more it's his fault that his ball dominate and that the offense doesnt involve wade and bosh as much? do i need to go further cause you pretty much ridiculed yourself.
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[QUOTE=eriX]lebrons' playstyle in your sense is just ball dominate? How can you be ball dominate if the offense you run doesn't allow you to be? You just said the offense is catered to lebron yet you said he made no adjustment to his game to allow them to work in unison... so if spo decides to run the offense through lebron causing him to hold the ball more it's his fault that his ball dominate and that the offense doesn't involve wade and bosh as much? do i need to go further cause you pretty much ridiculed yourself.[/QUOTE]
the phrase is "ball DOMINANT" not "ball DOMINATE". I am not ridiculing myself. Please show me where I've done that in my post. I merely stated that LeBron's style of play renders star teammates ineffective. You decided to ramble about how offenses are ran etc.
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Wade's fault the Spurs have 500 off rebs, Wade's fault Lebron cant play off the ball, Wade's fault Bosh is a sissy and cant do anything except shoot mid range shots, Wade's fault Lebron doesnt play in the post, Wade's fault Chalmers and Haslem are just standing there on the field.
All this being said, Spo should bench him.
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[QUOTE=FPJ]Wade's fault the Spurs have 500 off rebs, Wade's fault Lebron cant play off the ball, Wade's fault Bosh is a sissy and cant do anything except shoot mid range shots, Wade's fault Lebron doesnt play in the post, Wade's fault Chalmers and Haslem are just standing there on the field.
All this being said, Spo should bench him.[/QUOTE]
and after the Finals try to get rid of him and chalmers for Carmelo. Someone that is totally comfortable with shooting and would compliment Lebron perfectly.
PG-Lebron
SG- Ray Allen
SF-Carmelo
PF Bosh
C-Greg Oden
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Wade has been shit the entire playoffs. He'll literally be wide open then proceed to pump fake nobody and drive into defenders, get stripped and complain to the refs. Lebron definitely hasn't been playing at his best but Wade and Bosh to a degree are playing far much worse and far less aggressive. You can't say Lebron hasn't atleast tried. Wade and Bosh seem like they just don't want it at times, don't even touch the ball for long periods
This team does have it in them to turn it around and win this thing but it's gona take everybody playing at 100%. But if the series ended today, i'd say far more blame should go to Wade and Bosh than Lebron. I think the article is right as far as the spacing and on/off court stuff. I think Wade would be great playing a Ginobili role but he's got too much of an ego for that,
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Plus i'm watching ESPN right now and they're shitting on Lebron. That keep showing this clip of him saying "i'll be much better tomorrow night" and going "WILL THE REAL LEBRON JAMES PLEASE STAND UP!?! dun nu nu DUN NU NU"
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[QUOTE=MetsPackers]Plus i'm watching ESPN right now and they're shitting on Lebron. That keep showing this clip of him saying "i'll be much better tomorrow night" and going "WILL THE REAL LEBRON JAMES PLEASE STAND UP!?! dun nu nu DUN NU NU"[/QUOTE]
Lebron just averaged 30/9/8 or whatever his ridiculous statline was against Indy.. Wade and bosh have at least continued to put up their mediocre/bad numbers, while Lebron has dipped from 30 on 50+% to 16 on 38%. Dropoffs are not comparable.. Bosh is actually playing better in this round. Lebron has had full reigns of this team for two years now, cant decide to fall off a cliff in the Finals a week after being dominant. All on him.
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Serious question.
Is Wade having the worst post-season for any "superstar" in history?
14/5/4 on historically bad efficiency (49% TS) after a 21/5/5/2/57% TS reg season.
Honestly, I've never seen a star have such a HUGE drop-off.
And what's even more amazing is how little the national media is talking about it.
It's ridiculous.
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[QUOTE=Jacks3]Serious question.
Is Wade having the worst post-season for any "superstar" in history?
14/5/4 on historically bad efficiency (49% TS) after a 21/5/5/2/57% TS reg season.
Honestly, I've never seen a star have such a HUGE drop-off.
And what's even more amazing is how little the national media is talking about it.
It's ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
Can't drive, can't shoot, can't chase shooters, doesn't rebound anymore. He's been literally shiit. If he somehow catches a sickness and have to sit out the rest of the way, Heat might actually have a better chance.
Otherwise no chance Spo sits him tho:facepalm
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[QUOTE=Jacks3]Serious question.
Is Wade having the worst post-season for any "superstar" in history?
14/5/4 on historically bad efficiency (49% TS) after a 21/5/5/2/57% TS reg season.
Honestly, I've never seen a star have such a HUGE drop-off.
And what's even more amazing is how little the national media is talking about it.
It's ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
Wade storylines dont sell. Only LeBron ones do. Its all about the $$$
Just look at this board. Check the first page topics of the site and see how many are about LeBron. League and media knows LeBron is the ticket to $$$$.
Wade is pathetic. The statistical drop off is because the playoffs become more half court oriented. Wade can still run around and put up numbers/efficiency when the game is out of control(which happened a lot with Miami winning 66 games), but he is useless offensively in the half court game. His skills have deteriorated like ****.