Team building game 2013. Now with coaches and a prize that isnt worth your time.

Ive done this...5-6 times. Most recently in 2011. Always nice to see what ISH comes up with. Some of you have built 4-5 teams each time. Some dont give a damn...both are fine by me.


Changes....


You must make a 12 man roster with a head coach. So you have 13 selections to make. You could take all players tll group 6 and end up with a garbage coach who ruins everything. Or you could start with group 2 and get an all time great coach more likely to bring it together.Up to you....but hopefully this time we get a lot of diversity.You cant get say...Jordan with Phil though because starting with the top level drops you straight...to level 4.

Im making it harder to use the elites each tme just to be a dick.

Id like to stress.....not everyone is ranked by who I think is best...but mostly by who I think ISH would want. For example....I do not thik Reggie is as good as a #2. But some do...so I want to make him hard for them to get.Adrian Dantley didnt do much for me...some of you numbers addicts cant get over 30ppg on 55% shooting. Want him...use a #2 to get him.

Start with a group one you get:

1 from group 1
3 from group 4
4 from group 5
3 from group 6
2 from group 7


Start with group two you get

2 from group 2
1 from group 3
3 from group 4
3 from group 5
2 fom goup 6
2 from group 7

So say you get MJ...jump to 4...you could add Hubie Brown as coach, Iggy to be his Pippen, and Larry Nance. Or get 3 players and move to #5 to find a coach. But before its done...you must use a pick on a coach.


Who has the balls to still take a group one player?


And yes...I know someone is probably listed in two groups after many edits.....I do not give a damn.

Winner(as judged by me) gets an amazon gift card of a to be determined value by email. Might be 10....might be 20. Who knows.





Group 1.


No coach is worth a player on this level so they are not an option at #1


Jordan 87-93
Shaq 94-02
David Robinson(90-96)
Lebron(07-13)
Dirk(06-now)
Oscar robertson(peak)
Karl Malone(whatever you consider his prime)
Bill Walton(Healthy...76-78 form)
Moses Malone(79-83)
Kobe(03-10)
Elgin Baylor pre injury
Doctor J ABA-1981
Kg(prime)
Wilt 76ers
Charles barkley pirme
Russell 60-66
Bird 83-88
Magic 82-90
Kareem 70-80
Hakeem 88-95
Duncan prime
Jerry West prime
Wade 06-2012 healthy

Hard to rank a few of them as tier one...but I know some of you would rank them there.





2.

Coaches:

Red Auerbach
Greg Popovich
Phil Jackson
Pat Riley


Players


Ewing(89-94)
Pippen
Durant(now)
Mcgrady(orlando)
Kidd
Isiah Thomas(prime)
Stockton
Gervin
Rick barry
Kemp
Bernard King(prime...healthy)
Dave cowens
Carmelo
Bob Pettit
Artis gilmore
Alex english
Derrick Rose 11 and 12 healthy
Vince Carter(00-02)
Iverson(2000-2007)
Pierce(prime)
Nash(05-08 mvp..not really argued as the best)
Nate thurmond
Nique
Jerry Lucas
Drexler
Zo
Mchale
Dwight Howard
Adrian Dantley
Tim Hardaway
Grant Hill(95-2000)
Willis Reed
Elvin Hayes
Pau Gasol
Moncrief prime
Kevin Johnson
James worthy prime
Westbrook now
Tony Parker now
Brad Daugherty
Chris Paul
Pistol Pete
Ray Allen
Reggie Miller 90-2000
Bob Mcadoo
Yao Ming
Walt Frazier
Chris Mullin
Penny(94-98)
Wes unseld
Mark Price
Cousy
Connie Hawkins ABA/suns
Deron Williams
Payton
Webber
Parish


3.

Coaches:

Doc Rivers
Jerry Sloan
Don Nelson
Larry Brown
chuck Daly
Rick Carslile
Alex hannum
Lenny wilkins


Players


Brand Clippers
Blake(now)
Aldridge(now)
Boozer Jazz
Arenas(05-09)
Gus Williams
Jerry Stackhouse(2000-2003)
Terry Porter
Earl Monroe
Lenny Wilkens prime Hawks
Derrick Coleman Nets
Manu 05-2010
Chris Bosh 05-2010
Ralph Sampson pre injury Rockets
Dennis Johnson prime
Bob Lanier pistons
Marbury(Nets/suns)
Rondo 09-pre injury
Baron Davis(prime)
Mutombo Nuggets to Philly
Brandon Roy(healthy)
Jamal Mashburn prime
Rasheed(prime)
Vin Baker Bucks
Maurice Lucas prme
James Harden Now
Kyrie now
Sam Jones
Mcdyess(Nuggets)
Larry Johnson(Hornets)
Mark Aguirre Mavs
Dennis Rodman(91-96)
Finley Mavs pre 04
Cassell Nets/Bucks/Minnesota
Joe Johnson Hawks
Mark jackson Knicks/Clippers/Nuggets/Pacers
Mitch Richmond Kings
Dumars pre Hill
Glenn Robinson
Derek harper Mavs
Kevin Love 10-12 healthy
Tom chambers(suns before 92)
Sprewell Warriors and Knicks
Terry Cummings Bucks
Kevin Willis Hawks
David thompson Nuggets pre injury
Ben Wallace(first pistons run)
Jermaine Oneal(prime)
Glen Rice(Charlotte)
Marion(prime)
Al Jefferson
Zach Randolph(now)
Chauncey Billups(03-09)




4.


Coaches:

George Karl
Rick Adleman
Bill sharman
Mike Dantoni
Stan Vangundy
Avery Johnson
Tom Thibodeau
Billy cunningham
Mike Fratello
Hubie Brown
Rudy T
Jeff Van Gundy
Larry Bird
Scott brooks
Spo
Doug Collins



Players

Rudy Gay
Shawn elliot
Odom
Jrue Holiday
Rip Hamilton
Deng
Andre Iguodala
Jalen Rose(Pacers)
Michael Adams(Bullets/Nuggets)
Richard Jefferson
Cedric Ceballos
Vanexel
Calvin Murphy
Mo Cheeks
Brandon Roy healthy prime
Antione walker(prime)
Larry Nance
Antawn Jamison(warriors to Wizards)
Jeff Hornacek
Artest(pacers)
Dale Ellis Sonics
Kenny Anderson(nets)
Josh Smith
Danny Granger
Bynum healthy 2010-2012
Anthony Mason
Detlef
AK47(prime)
Alan Houston
Antawn Jamison
Danny Manning Clippers
Kukoc
Drazen Petrovic
Buck williams
Stephen Jackson prime
Bibby(kings)
Devin Harris(Nets)
Peja(kings)
John Starks
Andrew Toney
Stephon Curry now
Caron Butler(wizards)
Rod Strickland
Jason Richardson(Peak...warriors)
Rik smits
Norm Nixon
Tyson Chandler Mavs
Steve Francis
Shareef Abdur Rahim
Steve Smith
Juwan Howard
Bobby Jones(Nuggets/pre Moses 76ers)
David West
Marcus Camby(prime
Eddie Jones
Gerald wallace(Bobcats)
Vlade(prime)
Seikaly
Bogut
Brook Lopez
Paul George
Marc Gasol
Big Z
Joakim Noah
Jeff Ruland
al Horford
Dan Majerle
Jim Jackson(mavs)



5.

Coaches

Byon Scott
Lawrence Frank
Mike Brown
Mike dunleavy
Scott skiles
Nate Mcmillian
Eddie Jordan
Isiah Thomas
Del harris
Mike Woodson
Flip Saunders




PJ Brown(peak)
Doug Cristie
Hedo(first run with the Magic)
Beasley
Barbosa(suns)
Nate McMillan(sonics pre GP)
john Salmons(Bulls/bucks)
Mo williams(bucks/cavs)
Laphonso Ellis
Thurl bailey
Jason Terry(Mavs)
Paul Millsap
Ricky Pierce
Keith Vanhorn(nets)
Theo Ratliff
Kendall Gill(hornets/nets)
OJ Mayo Now
Darrell Armstrong
Raja Bell(Suns)
Horace grant
Jameer Nelson
Michael Redd
Bob Dandridge
Nene
Okur prime on Jazz
Mark Eaton
Dennis Scott
brian Grant(Blazers)
Emeka
Nick Anderson
Tyson Chandler(hornets to now)
Andre Miller(peak))
Isiah Rider Minnesota
Jamal Crawford
Horry(peak)
Larry Hughes(wizards/Cavs)
Richard Jefferson nets
Mookie blaylock
Cedric Maxwell
Raymond Felton
JR Smith



6

coaches

Vinny Delnegro
PJ carlesimo
Sam Mitchell
Frank Vogel
Terry Porter
Bickerstaff




Players

Bobby Jackson
Korver
Dell Curry
Delonte West
Lindsey Hunter
Kirk Hinrich
Taj Gibson
Channing Frye
Ricky Davis(Cavs and Celtics)
Gortat
Rick Fox
K.Perkins
Aaron Mckie
Jason Willaims(Kings/Memphis)
Cuttino Mobley
Ruben Patterson
Michael cooper
Bruce Bowen
Nate robinson
Steve Blake
Ibaka
Thabo
Diaw(Suns)
Calderon
Carl Landry
Chuck Hayes
Rafer alston
Derrick Fisher
Avery Johnson
Brad Miller Pacers/Kings
James Posey
Al harrington
Mario elie
Tayshaun Prince
Muggsy
Brent Barry
Desmond Mason
Anderson Varejao
Shane Battier
Drew Gooden(Magic/cavs)
Tim Thomas
tony Allen
Aaron Affalo
Chris dudley
Tree rollins
clarence Weatherspoon
Eric snow
Wali Jones
Ben Gordon
Asik
Tyrone Hill
George Lynch
Derek Anderson
Vernon Maxwell rockets
Mcgee


7.

coaches:


Charles Barkley
Kblaze8855
Skip Bayless
Gobb
Jay Leno

Players

Tyrus thomas
Hakim Warrick
Boobie Gibson
Jeff McInnis
Stromile swift
Darko
Smush Parker
chris childs
Mateen Cleaves
Tim Legler
Damon Jones
Tyron Lue(00-02)
Robin Lopez
Eddie House
Earl Watson
Craig Smith
Alvn Williams
Chucky Atkins
Mikki Moore
Larry Sanders
charlie ward
Ramon Sessions
Shawn Bradley
Kurt Rambis
Travis best
vonteego Cummings
Kwame Brown
Jason Kapono
Luke Walton(current)
Sean May(bocats)
Sun Yue
Manute Bol
Steve Novak
Danny Ferry
Mike James
Leon Powe
Anthony Parker
Ike Austin
Mo Pete
George Muresan
Keith Closs
Keon clark
Earl clark





Lets see how bored you are.

Sample team...not my final team which ill be bored enough tomorrow at work to make....

Starting with #2...

(2)Pop as coach
(2)Ewing as player
(3)Rondo
(4)Dale Ellis
(4)AK47
(4)Alan Houston
(5)Christie
(5)Darrell Armstrong
(5)Mark Eaton
(6)Dell Curry
(6)Battier
(7)Anthony Parker
(7)Chris Childs

Not as talented as it could be but with Pop coaching...its contending

Rondo/Darrell/Curry/Childs
Dale Ellis/Houston
Christie/Battier
Ak47/Battier
Ewing/Eaton

Not really a team id put against the star lineups sure to come but id like to see Pop run small ball with that lineup.

Gonna make one later.. when are you picking a winner?

Um.....day the real playoffs start. Bit of a break after the season ends. I expect to be bored enough to read the topic start to finish and judge it fairly.

I like team building exercises though I have a different philosophy on team building than most, so I'll most likely participate after I go through the available picks.

And I'm still going to build a team around at least one group 1 player anyway. During the last one that took place during the lockout, you said, "I doubt Magic, Bird, or Duncan even get taken. The only level 1s I see getting picked are Jordan, Hakeem, and Shaq," and I picked someone other than those three just to be original and because no one else would do it. Doing the same thing everyone else would do is boring. I'll have to see what the options are this time and think about it when I have time.

This tme ill say Doctor J is the not getting picked guy. And I had Drk is both 1 and 2 and couldnt decide....so I left him in #1 to make his fans make a tough call.

Durant is also hard. He doesnt feel like a tier 1...but hes so tempting as a #2. Durant and Phil Jackson to start? Or Durant and Ewing?

I might have to bump him up.......

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]This tme ill say Doctor J is the not getting picked guy.[/QUOTE]

I agree, as no one's going to start with him over Jordan, Shaq, LeBron, etc.

I also had a question. One of my projects actually involves team building, and for some I have draft lists of players for roles I want to fill. Would it be possible to select players that are unlisted, but getting the ruling from you which group they would qualify for IYO, or is it just "these are your options, these are your choices?" I don't imagine anyone else would have any unlisted players in mind anyway, but I thought it couldn't hurt to ask, as the worst you could say is no.

suggest a player ill gve him a spot I feel is fair.

Bulls should amnesty rose

2
Durant
Chris Paul

3
Doc Rivers

4
David West
Luo Deng
Rip Hamilton

5
Milsap
Tyson Chandler
Mo Williams

6
Bruce Bowen
Bobby Jackson

7
Earl Clark
Mike James

Coach: Larry Bird (4)

Steph Curry (4)/ Kirk Hinrich (6)
Doug Christie (5)/ Michael Cooper (6)
LeBron James (1)/ Hedo Turkoglu (5)/ Shane Battier (6)
Horace Grant (5)/ Earl Clark (7)
Marc Gasol (4)/ Larry Sanders (7)/ Tyson Chandler (5)

Earl Clark wouldn't play too much. Battier/LeBron/Turkoglu would play the 4 at times.

Just did one quickly. Might do another one later.

I'm going to go with plan A.

1 from group 1
3 from group 4
4 from group 5
3 from group 6
2 from group 7



Coach: Jeff Van Gundy (4)


Shaq (1) Tyson Chandler, (Mavs (4))
Horace Grant (5) Kurt Rambis (7)

Tayshaun Prince (6) Shane Battier(6)
Horry (5) Hedo (5)

Korver (6) Michael Cooper(6) Eddie House (7)
Steve Francis (4) Andre miller (5)

Group 2: Patrick Ewing, Kevin Durant
Group 3: Kyrie Irving
Group 4: Tom Thibodeau, Paul George, Joakim Noah
Group 5: OJ Mayo, JR Smith, Richard Jefferson
Group 6: Ibaka, Kirk Hinrich
Group 7: Larry Sanders, Novak

Coach: Thibs
PG: Kyrie Irving
SG: Paul George
SF: Kevin Durant
PF: Joakim Noah
C: Patrick Ewing

Bench
G: OJ Mayo, JR Smith, Kirk Hinrich
F/C: Richard Jefferson, Steve Novak, Ibaka, Larry Sanders

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]suggest a player ill gve him a spot I feel is fair.[/QUOTE]

I didn't wish to give anyone else any ideas or potentially tip my hand, but as your inbox is full, I can't ask privately.

Gus Williams
Nate McMillan (as a player)
Andrew Toney
Ricky Pierce
Cedric Maxwell
Carl Landry
Craig Smith
Leon Powe
Bobby Jones
Charles Oakley
Jeff Ruland
Thurl Bailey
Bob Dandridge

To name a few off the top of my head who weren't in the last one.

added

Group 2:
Gregg Popovich
Alonzo Mourning

Group 3:
Elton Brand - Clippers

Group 4:
Jrue Holiday
Eddie Jones
Andre Iguodala

Group 5:
Andre Miller
Jamal Crawford
Theo Ratliff

Group 6:
Thabo Sefelosha
Serge Ibaka

Group 7:
Maurice Peterson
Steve Novak
Craig Smith

Depth Chart:

CE: Alonzo Mourning | Theo Ratliff
PF: Elton Brand | Serge Ibaka | Craig Smith
SF: Andre Iguodala | Thabo Sefelosha | Steve Novak
SG: Eddie Jones | Jamal Crawford | Mo Peterson
PG: Jrue Holiday | Andre Miller

I just love the defense of this team with essentially the entire starting unit. Brand is good for 20 or so a night on 50% shooting. Bench has a nice combination of defense and offense as Ratliff and Ibaka are good shot blockers and Thabo may be the pest perimeter defender in the association. Crawford and Rhino provide the offense while Andre is a savvy vet.

Pop could probably tailor Holiday to play like Parker as well

Going with Option B

Group 2:
Chris Paul
Shawn Kemp

Group 3:
Jerry Sloan

Group 4:
Vlade Divac
Toni Kukoc
Paul George

Group 5:
Tyson Chandler
Hedo Turkgolu
Andre Miller

Group 6:
Serge Ibaka
Tony Allen

Group 7:
Ramon Sessions
Earl Clark


Jerry Sloan

Divac/Chandler
Kemp/Ibaka
Kukoc/Turkgolu/Clark
George/Allen
Paul/Miller/Sessions

pg - Hinrich(6)/Terry(5)
sg - Roy(4)/Cooper(6)/Korver(6)
sf - Detlef(4)/Dandridge(5)/korver(6)/Novak(7)
pf - Horace(5)/Horry(5)/Novak(7)
c - Hakeem(1)/Bradley(7)

Coach: Adleman(4)

IDK if it's the best team, but I like it.

I think this is the first team made with option 1 picks and I kinda just chose Hakeem and went from there. I've always thought that the skill set Hakeem brought would allow him to be just as effective today as he would have been in early times (I don't think players were worse, it's just that the current rules discourage post play and conversely encourage dribble drive play to such a degree that it almost makes it not worth it to start a team with a center and to just get a Tyson Chandler type later IMO).

I know this team doesn't have as many defensive stopper types that most teams of these nature have, but I also think mine would have a better balance overall on offense and defense that a lot of those teams tend to lack. I've noticed a tendency to overrate defense in these drafts and pick a lot of stopper types under (what I presume) the assumption that the offense will take care of itself. I think having a good flowing halfcourt offense helps on the defensive side too. It limits fast break opportunities for the opposition and allows you to establish your halfcourt d.

I've always thought highly of Adleman and think he might have been undervalued in where he was placed. He generally seems to have his teams overachieve and I think he would do well with this team.

I've also think that Hinrich was a good pg to match with a more ball dominate shooting guard (Roy was pretty ball dominate and worked better with Steve Blake as opposed to Andre Miller)

I think Dandridge is a sleeper pick and I almost want to start him over Detlef (Detlef's shooting range is what tilts it his way). I know it cause no one knows about him (I really don't either), but from what I gather he was a good player, maybe like a Loul Deng level perhaps (who was a tier above him)?

I know it's kinda redundant (and prevented me from getting a better back for Hakeem, but hes gonna play like 40+ mins anyway so whatever) I like the idea of having both novak and korver. I think that in limited minutes having two guys on the floor that can drain threes like layups could give teams fits (especially if teamed up with Detlef). A Hakeem-Novak-Detlef-korver-Roy lineup would be hard to defend in spurts, plus Hakeem's are defensive impact is good enough to mitigate the defensive issues that lineup might cause.

Stop hating on Reggie! I'll put one together tomorrow sometime.

I love these threads. It makes logging on here almost worthwhile. I did two teams, using each method, and didn't use any of the same players twice:

[B]Team 1:[/B]
Shaq 1
David West 4
Steph Curry 4
Eddie Jones 4
Byron Scott 5
Kendall Gill 5
JR Smith 5
Horace Grant 5
Brad Miller 6
Bruce Bowen 6
Jason Williams 6
Larry Sanders 7
Ramon Sessions 7

The idea behind this team was to surround Shaq with as much shooting as possible and give him room to destroy his man in single coverage. I was very happy to find Byron Scott a.k.a. The Point Guard Whisperer in Tier 5 as he is just the man to give Steph Curry the right balance of freedom and direction to run the show:

PG Curry/Jason Williams/Sessions
SG Eddie Jones/JR Smith/Bowen
SF Kendall Gill/JR Smith/Bowen
PF David West/Brad Miller/Horace Grant/Sanders
C Shaq/Brad Miller/Sanders

Offensively, there's no one you can leave on the perimeter, with Curry, Eddie and Gill all being threats from long range. David West plays his award winning role as "David West" and works the high post, shooting open 15 footers. If Gill is having one of his brick-laying games, JR Smith is ready and waiting. Jason Williams, while a decent 3 point shooter, is moreso included as a reliable backup who can find all these shooters and push the break. Brad Miller I envisage playing at least 10 minutes per game with Shaq because of his excellent passing from the high post.

Defensively, two of the best ballhawks of all time are at the 2 and 3 - Bowen is around if someone needs to wrestled for a half or kicked in the mouth (he can also pot his trademark corner 3's). Shaq patrols the paint. West, Horace and Sanders are all very good defenders - they can play in Miller's place if the matchup requires it. Sanders in round 7 is a steal.

Sessions included as the backup's backup incase Steph's plasticine ankle gives way. Byron had him playing some good ball in Cleveland in 2011

[B]Team 2: [/B]
GP 2
Chris Webber 2
Ben Wallace 3
George Karl 4
Jalen Rose 4
Drazen Petrovic 4
Tyson Chandler 5
Jason Terry 5
Mookie Blaylock 5
Tony Allen 6
Anderson Varejao 6
Robin Lopez 7
Damon Jones 7

No real theme but a bunch of dudes who I could see George Karl getting a ton out of. He's reunited with GP, who is the best two-way point guard I have ever seen. I've intentionally paired him with Webber, who's career was arguably disappointing despite career averages of 21-10, because I think GP is just the man to push him and keep him focused. Rose, his childhood buddy, is on the roster for this reason, too.

PG GP/Mookie/Damon Jones
SG Petrovic/Jason Terry
SF Jalen Rose/Tony Allen
PF Webber/Varejao/Lopez
C Wallace/Chandler/Lopez

Offensively, I see it working similarly to how it did with the 96 Sonics, with GP using his size and skill to bully other point guards. Petrovic, one of the greatest shooters of all time, and Rose (career .355), are the floor spacers. Webber is the focal point inside, working the high and low blocks as a richman's Kemp or Baker on Karl's old Sonics & Bucks teams. Wallace is richman's Kenneth Faried, who Karl has coached into a monster, and Chandler does the same things: rolls hard, dunks lobs. Benchwise, it's a guard's show with Mookie and Terry carrying the load - I'm not thrilled about the bench scoring on this team so I figure the starter's would have to be staggered, to ensure enough firepower was kept on the floor. Varejao, I feel, is underrated as an offensive player, and he could be handy working the P&R with Terry

Defensively, this is a tough group. It's 48 minutes of hell for the opposing PG with GP and Mookie. Wallace, Chandler and Varejao is about the most energetic, tough and mean big man combo I can think of. Rose played for some great Pacer defenses and held his own. There are question marks on Webber, but he has Wallace and Chandler to lean on, and Petro and Terry, which is why Tony Allen is on the team. If someone starts going off, Tony goes in.

Damon Jones and Robin Lopez are both solid players and amusing bench cheerleaders.

1 from group 1: MJ

3 from group 4: Larry Bird
Marc Gasol
Iguodala

4 from group 5: Blaylock
Horry
Doug Christie
Andre Miller

3 from group 6: Asik
Bruce Bowen
Shane Battier

2 from group 7: Steve Novak
Eddie House

Coach: Larry Bird
Starters:
PG Andre Miller
SG MJ
SF Iguodala
PF Shane Battier
C Marc Gasol
Bench: Blaylock, Horry, Christie, Steve Novak, Eddie House, Asik

Larry Bird as a coach is good enough to reach the NBA finals, losing to the MJ-led Bulls. the rest of the roster is composed of players that would complement MJ. hard nosed defenders that can pass and shoot plus shooters like Steve Novak, Eddie House, and Big Shot Rob. a rotation of Marc Gasol and Asik at center is something MJ never had. granted Rodman is better than both. and while Pippen may be irreplaceable, Bowen, Battier, and Christie aren't too shabby themselves. Running the point is Andre Miller and Blaylock.

this team is a defensive powerhouse (the entire roster is a defensive beast) with great passers and shooters, modelled like the positionless team Miami is. aside from Asik and Gasol, most everybody can switch defensive positions with ease.

you telling me MJ won't steamroll any team with this roster? hell, he can even beat any of 3 peat Bulls team even if he went against a version of himself in those teams.

having MJ alone should be enough. but having this team that would destroy defensively and give you matchup nightmares and deadly shooters? lololol.

John Stockton (2)/ Bobby Jackson(6)/ Chucky Atkins (7)
Dale Ellis (3)/ Michael Cooper (6)/ Bobby Jackson (6)
James Worthy (2)/ Ricky Pierce (5)/ Michael Cooper (6)
Larry Nance (4)/ Horace Grant (5)/ Kurt Rambis (7)
Vlade Divac (4)/ Mark Eaton (5)

Coach: Lenny Wilkins

I love this team. I have James Worthy and Larry Nance to wreak havoc in the post, Dale Ellis and Vlade Divac to open up space and Stockton to orchestrate it all. The best 6th guy of the 80's to provide offensive boost off the bench if needed and some pretty decent defenders and clutch players too. Not to mention a very good coach.

P.S. Kblaze, you forgot Fat Lever, Walter Davis, Orlando Woolridge, Purvis Short, and Paul Westhead as a group 7 coach ;)

[QUOTE=(e)]Group 2: Patrick Ewing, Kevin Durant
Group 3: Kyrie Irving
Group 4: Tom Thibodeau, Paul George, Joakim Noah
Group 5: OJ Mayo, JR Smith, Richard Jefferson
Group 6: Ibaka, Kirk Hinrich
Group 7: Larry Sanders, Novak

Coach: Thibs
PG: Kyrie Irving
SG: Paul George
SF: Kevin Durant
PF: Joakim Noah
C: Patrick Ewing

Bench
G: OJ Mayo, JR Smith, Kirk Hinrich
F/C: Richard Jefferson, Steve Novak, Ibaka, Larry Sanders[/QUOTE]


I like this team. I was gonna do my second team built around Durant/Ewing as well.

Thibs as Coach

Ewing / Nene / Rambis
Larry Nance / Ibaka
Durant / Hedo
Brandon Roy / Jamal Crawford
Steph Curry / Kirk Hinrich / Alvin Williams

Long, Athletic and Versatile Players everywhere.

Can play either slow or fast with this group with a great mix of shooting, passing, size as well as having great rim defenders and a couple of lock down defenders on the perimeter coming off the bench.

Thibs gets alot out of his players and teachers them to play tough as well as together.

(2) Phil Jackson
(2) Kevin Durant

(3) Dennis Rodman

(4) Andrew Bynum
(4) Andre Iguodala
(4) Peja Stojakovic

(5) Andre Miller
(5) Michael Redd
(5) Tyson Chandler

(6) Jason Williams
(6) Aaron Affalo

(7) Larry Sanders
(7) Eddie House

___________________________________________

Head Coach: Phil Jackson

PG: Andre Miller, Jason Williams, Eddie House

SG: Andre Iguodala, Michael Redd, Aaron Afflalo

SF: Kevin Durant, Peja Stojakovic

PF: Dennis Rodman, Larry Sanders

C: Andrew Bynum, Tyson Chandler

Coach: Rick Adelman (4)

Starters:

Scottie Pippen (2)
Brandon Roy (4)
Kevin Durant (2)
Larry Nance (4)
Dikembe Mutombo (3)

Bench:

Andre Miller (5)
Dell Curry (6)
Michael Cooper (6)
Horace grant (5)
Tyson Chandler (5)

Ramon Sessions (7)
Shawn Bradley (7)

lol @ the jay leno entry. i know you testing us :oldlol:

i went 2nd round first.

gimme:
1) pippen
2) penny

not worried that either these two could be 1st option. i think supporting cast can handle it.

down to:
3) harden (notice all guys can break em down off the dribble and my top two guys are solid perimeter defenders)

4) coach: JVG. need someone to check these guys and i always thought he was underrated

5) m. gasol. imagine this guy in the high post with his passing ability. you could run so many high screens off pippen/penny and this guy would be able to slow down the game w/ a legit post game. pippen/penny/harden could easily handle transition. shit, harden is excellent/elite in transition game this year wanna. throw in pippen and penny? mind you penny could run a halfcourt.

6) paul george. threw in another great defender but he has range. can stretch the court, rebound and pass. super mini lebron but i felt he was a steal at this point.

7) millsap. ultimate team player. great transition for his size. monster rebounder. what every team needs. he'll kick it out and re-run the offense. not even worried about rebounds when i have eaton coming up. all my guards are good offensive reboundrs. i'll throw in eaton just to troll.

8) mark eaton. pretty sure he'll gobble up blocks or take charges.

9) horry. in case my team hasn't beaten you into oblivion, horry will be here to stab you.

10) asik. just another guy to block shots and take charges, not back down. he'll grab plenty of o-reb's to go along the way. oh shit, you have trouble gaining rebounds when we're on offense? lulz.

11) rambis. transition monster. didn't back down. this a really pass first team on offense aside from our defensive rotations. this guy would finish and lay the wood on the opposing end.

good luck. ya, i might not have a traditional center to start, but i have some major fill ins and guys who are ready to run.

Ok here's my first one.

Option B

2 Durant
2 Reed
3 Manu
4 Thibs
4 Roy
4 AK47
5 Andre Miller
5 Terry
5 Millsap
6 Kendrick
6 Tayshaun
7 Rambis
7 Boobie

I think Dre is a steal in group 5.

Coach: Thibodeau

PG: Andre Miller / JET
SG: Roy / Manu / Boobie
SF: Durant / Tayshaun
PF: AK47 / Millsap / Rambis
C: Reed / Perkins


There's everything there.

Coach: Byron Scott

Mo Williams/Boobie Gibson
Jordan/terry
Peja/Prince/Novak
J. Smith/Harrington
Vlade/Chandler/C. Hayes

I got athleticism, defense, shooters and versatility. And of course Jordan my team wins thus far

4)Tom Thibodeau
1)Kareem
4)Jrue Holiday
4)AK47
5)Mookie blaylock
5)Andre Miller
5)Nene
5)Michael Redd
6)Prince
6)Battier
6)Anderson Varejao
7)Anthony Parker
7)Ramon Sessions

[B]Thibodeau[/B]
PG: Jrue Holiday/Andre Miller
SG: Mookie Blaylock/Anthony Parker
C: Kareem Abdul Jabbar/Anderson Varejao
PF: Andrei Kirilenko/Nene
SF: Michael Redd (Prime right?)/Prince

ETA: Forgot to include my line up

[quote=(e)]Group 2: Patrick Ewing, Kevin Durant
Group 3: Kyrie Irving
Group 4: Tom Thibodeau, Paul George, Joakim Noah
Group 5: OJ Mayo, JR Smith, Richard Jefferson
Group 6: Ibaka, Kirk Hinrich
Group 7: Larry Sanders, Novak

Coach: Thibs
PG: Kyrie Irving
SG: Paul George
SF: Kevin Durant
PF: Joakim Noah
C: Patrick Ewing

Bench
G: OJ Mayo, JR Smith, Kirk Hinrich
F/C: Richard Jefferson, Steve Novak, Ibaka, Larry Sanders[/quote]


Tell you what...if we looked at this as a keeperl eague...where they got to grow and gel...that team wins 2-3 rings even with this insane competition. Kyrie/KD/peak 29ppg Ewing with a 6'8'' do it all all star George who is like....24? Noah the "Insult the other teams fanbase and shut down pick and rolls" guy....Kirk off the bench throwing a blanket on guards....OJ and JR the best combo of off the bench scorers you could get....Jefferson in Nets form who would be an insane 9th man....with 2 shot blockers in low enough minutes to not worry about foul trouble....so they are all out on EVERY attempt in the lane? And Novak to help space the floor now and then with Durant on the other wing?

Only weakness is Kyrie possibly getting lit up vs some of these backcourts and finding the balance between Ewing and Durant when Ewing is in "Give me the ball" mode and KD defers too much. Let Ewing settle into 22-25 a game mode...KD takes over in the 4th...with Kyrie more likely to not get in his way than Westbrook with Ewing always an option and Kyrie if the play breaks down?

That team could compete with any team ever in a 7 game series.

Not my sure winner so far for a one year thing...but let Kyrie/George peak with a still prime KD and Ewing in like 92-93 form?

[Reference you dont get]Oh my god...DANGER![/You were born in the 90s]

Decisions, decisions... this is an excellent thread for officially weeding out and potentially identifying trolls, by the way.

Star players are the building block for any winning team. It is not that they are the only aspect to the winning team... it's just... essentially you've got the equivalent of at least 2 players put into 1 person. I also think I need to start with a coach.

Well, I think coaches are overrated because we've seen some really, really bad coaches win some titles. *Doc Rivers* and lol @ how high he is. However, there are a few coaches that are undeniably great... that being said...

All that in mind... I see some high value in the coaches listed in tier 4 in comparison to the coaches listed in the tiers above them... combine that with my star player premise and I'm going with model A... I'm going to do a B as well and see which I like better.

This thread is going to very difficult for some people to judge solely on primes and completely healthy(I mean that's what we're going on here essentially, right... might be a few exceptions but not enough to list) and not looking at how the players went out or what they are now.

1. Shaquille O'Neal

4. Stan Van Gundy (coach)
4. Ron Artest
4.

As I'm doing this... you have too many SFs in tier 4 and it's pissing me off. Ok **** that I'm going with model B exclusively... skipping down to tier 4 isn't fair. The drop off from your first player to second player is too high no matter who you pick at 1. Basically what we're looking at here and the entire thread is based upon this question... Are you taking 1 guy from tier 1 to build your team around, or are you taking 2 guys from tier 2 AND 1 guy from tier 3. 3 All-Star high quality players > 1 star player without another true star next to him. You need to adjust your picks system in order to even this thread out.

2. Scottie Pippen (the most underrated player ever)
2. Gary Payton

3. Ben Wallace

4. Tom Thibodeau (coach)
4. Andre Iguodala
4. Andrew Bynum

5. Hidayet Turkoglu
5. Darrell Armstrong
5. Theo Ratliff

6. Marcin Gortat
6. Shane Battier

7. Damon Jones
7. Jason Kapono


**** your team. You're not scoring.

I agree with much of that....even the overratedness of some coaches. But as I said I didnt rank by what id take....I ranked by what I felt ISH would value. Doc has already been taken by a couple people I think.

Also...Shaq and the "Master of Panic" as he called him? Trouble. And I know its unbalanced against starting with tier one...but I meant for it to be hard as hell. First time I did it guys were ending up with like...Kareem and Kobe or something like that. Next time I made it harder and on and on till now...I feel you have to really think to make a great team with a top tier player.

But people still want to try. Im gonna make it even worse next time. I was actually gonna include an owner and some side elements of value like the Suns medical staff(would have been a tier 3 option), the Lakers TV deal, or being in Miami or NY and really think about the long term likelyhood of these teams to prosper but it got too complicated and I figured it would be offputting for people who didnt want to do all that thinking.

I am curious, what do you think about my selection, Kblaze?
It's a few posts above.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]I agree with much of that....even the overratedness of some coaches. But as I said I didnt rank by what id take....I ranked by what I felt ISH would value. Doc has already been taken by a couple people I think.

Also...Shaq and the "Master of Panic" as he called him? Trouble. And I know its unbalanced against starting with tier one...but I meant for it to be hard as hell. First time I did it guys were ending up with like...Kareem and Kobe or something like that. Next time I made it harder and on and on till now...I feel you have to really think to make a great team with a top tier player.

But people still want to try. Im gonna make it even worse next time. I was actually gonna include an owner and some side elements of value like the Suns medical staff(would have been a tier 3 option), the Lakers TV deal, or being in Miami or NY and really think about the long term likelyhood of these teams to prosper but it got too complicated and I figured it would be offputting for people who didnt want to do all that thinking.[/QUOTE]

Haha @ owners and medical staffs. Awesome.

[QUOTE=Orlando Magic]Decisions, decisions... this is an excellent thread for officially weeding out and potentially identifying trolls, by the way.

Star players are the building block for any winning team. It is not that they are the only aspect to the winning team... it's just... essentially you've got the equivalent of at least 2 players put into 1 person. I also think I need to start with a coach.

Well, I think coaches are overrated because we've seen some really, really bad coaches win some titles. *Doc Rivers* and lol @ how high he is. However, there are a few coaches that are undeniably great... that being said...

All that in mind... I see some high value in the coaches listed in tier 4 in comparison to the coaches listed in the tiers above them... combine that with my star player premise and I'm going with model A... I'm going to do a B as well and see which I like better.

This thread is going to very difficult for some people to judge solely on primes and completely healthy(I mean that's what we're going on here essentially, right... might be a few exceptions but not enough to list) and not looking at how the players went out or what they are now.

1. Shaquille O'Neal

4. Stan Van Gundy (coach)
4. Ron Artest
4.

As I'm doing this... you have too many SFs in tier 4 and it's pissing me off. Ok **** that I'm going with model B exclusively... skipping down to tier 4 isn't fair. The drop off from your first player to second player is too high no matter who you pick at 1. Basically what we're looking at here and the entire thread is based upon this question... Are you taking 1 guy from tier 1 to build your team around, or are you taking 2 guys from tier 2 AND 1 guy from tier 3. 3 All-Star high quality players > 1 star player without another true star next to him. You need to adjust your picks system in order to even this thread out.

2. Scottie Pippen (the most underrated player ever)
2. Gary Payton

3. Ben Wallace

4. Tom Thibodeau (coach)
4. Andre Iguodala
4. Andrew Bynum

5. Hidayet Turkoglu
5. Darrell Armstrong
5. Theo Ratliff

6. Marcin Gortat
6. Shane Battier

7. Damon Jones
7. Jason Kapono


**** your team. You're not scoring.[/QUOTE]
My team would score at will against yours while there is no one on your team who is unguardable.


[B]Thibodeau[/B]
PG: Jrue Holiday/Andre Miller
SG: Mookie Blaylock/Anthony Parker
C: Kareem Abdul Jabbar/Anderson Varejao
PF: Andrei Kirilenko/Nene
SF: Michael Redd/Prince

[QUOTE=dunksby]My team would score at will against yours while there is no one on your team who is unguardable.


[B]Thibodeau[/B]
PG: Jrue Holiday/Andre Miller
SG: Mookie Blaylock/Anthony Parker
C: Kareem Abdul Jabbar/Anderson Varejao
PF: Andrei Kirilenko/Nene
SF: Michael Redd/Prince[/QUOTE]

You're kidding about scoring at will, right?

Went with Option 2.

[B]PG: Derrick Rose
SG: Latrell Sprewell
SF: Rudy Gay
PF: Anthony Mason
C: Tyson Chandler[/B]

Bench

PG: Jason Terry
SG: Dell Curry
SF: Rick Fox
PF: Horace Grant
C: Robin Lopez
C: Mark Eaton
G/F: Anthony Parker

Coach Phil Jackson.

Option 2

Coach Chuck Daly (3)

Isaiah Thomas (2) Mo Williams (5)
Paul George (4) JR Smith (5)
Kevin Durant (2) Bruce Bowen (6) Steve Novak (7)
David West (4) Taj Gibson (6)
Andrew Bynum (4) Mark Eaton (5) Tyrus Thomas (7)