the only man to win multiple championships without another NBA HOF team mate

Kobe stans are so two faced. :facepalm

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]What quotes? The point of this thread is to diminish Gasol...

Why do we have to play dumb all the time? This thread's sole purpose is to diminish Gasol and prop up Kobe...get real.[/QUOTE]

"Shocking" quotes that show "Kobe fans" "refusing to acknowledge how good Gasol was".

Gasol is 0-16 without Kobe. He was a playoff choker. He has put up poor numbers recently. These statements shouldn't be shocking. It's simply the truth.

[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]"Shocking" quotes that show "Kobe fans" "refusing to acknowledge how good Gasol was".

Gasol is 0-16 without Kobe. He was a playoff choker. He has put up poor numbers recently. These statements shouldn't be shocking. It's simply the truth.[/QUOTE]

I'm talking about the stance that Gasol was nothing without Kobe. A common stance.

I'm talking about people making threads about Kobe winning without a hall of fame teammate in 09 and 10. Which simply ISN'T the truth.

I'm talking about people like you that go off on tangents about Bosh on the Heat while Bosh has done nothing remotely approaching what Gasol did in 09 and 10...etc.

You want the facts?

Simple. Pau Gasol is a sure fire Hall of Famer on his NBA career alone.

End thread

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]I'm talking about the stance that Gasol was nothing without Kobe. A common stance.

I'm talking about people making threads about Kobe winning without a hall of fame teammate in 09 and 10. Which simply ISN'T the truth.

I'm talking about people like you that go off on tangents about Bosh on the Heat while Bosh has done nothing remotely approaching what Gasol did in 09 and 10...etc.

You want the facts?

Simple. Pau Gasol is a sure fire Hall of Famer on his NBA career alone.

End thread[/QUOTE]

Nobody said he was nothing without Kobe. That's why its called a strawman argument. You claim Kobe fans said something extreme that they never said and attempt to argue against the extreme stance that you just created out of thin air.

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]
And on NBA alone...it's very close.
[/QUOTE]

Which is it? "Sure fire"? or "very close"? You can't even maintain consistency on the same topic within the same thread and you wonder why nobody takes you seriously?

Don't bother arguing with "Yao Ming's Foot".
He's another Kobe nutrider troll.
Straight to the ignore bin.

I feel bad for Gasol. Even though he can play extremely soft, I feel like he's a very likable player and guy in general. Dude has great basketball fundamentals, isn't a diva f@ggot like a certain other elite big man who wore purple and gold last year, and seems like a very down to earth guy.

Not only that, but his playoff performances during '09, '10, and even '08 sans that Boston series are largely overlooked. Guy was a phenomenal second option and was huge for the Lakers year after year.

Even management treats him like shit, constantly putting him on the trading block despite all he has given to the franchise. I realize that the NBA is a business, but the amount of times the dude has been rumored to be in a trade is absurd.

Yet he doesn't make a big scene about it like a loser such as Dwight would, he just continues to play basketball. Gotta respect the man for being a professional at the very least.

[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]"Shocking" quotes that show "Kobe fans" "refusing to acknowledge how good Gasol was".

Gasol is 0-16 without Kobe. He was a playoff choker. He has put up poor numbers recently. These statements shouldn't be shocking. It's simply the truth.[/QUOTE]

Just like Kobe missed the playoffs or was one and done without a top front court and a playoff choker as well, as he let a 3-1 strong hold slip away.

[QUOTE=qrich]Just like Kobe missed the playoffs or was one and done without a top front court and a playoff choker as well, as he let a 3-1 strong hold slip away.[/QUOTE]

Your team has never played a meaningful game in their entire franchise's existence, what would you know about the playoffs? :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Doranku]Your team has never played a meaningful game in their entire franchise's existence, what would you know about the playoffs? :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Great response to bring in something irrelevant to the post that was made :bowdown:

Shall we talk about ancestors now? :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=qrich]Great response to bring in something irrelevant to the post that was made :bowdown:

Shall we talk about ancestors now? :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

In what world is a 7 seed losing to a 2 seed "choking"? Yeah, they were up 3-1.. because Kobe hit a game tying shot and a game winning shot in Game 4 to put the series there.

Then he proceeded to shoot 50+% in the remaining 3 games including a 50 point outburst in a game that they were one rebound away from winning.

That's not choking, sorry.

[QUOTE=Doranku]In what world is a 7 seed losing to a 2 seed "choking"? Yeah, they were up 3-1.. because Kobe hit a game tying shot and a game winning shot in Game 4 to put the series there.

Then he proceeded to shoot 50+% in the remaining 3 games including a 50 point outburst in a game that they were one rebound away from winning.

That's not choking, sorry.[/QUOTE]

Three opportunities to close out a series.

Three strike-outs including a 17 point loss and a 21 point loss.

But hey, I guess only higher seeds can choke, not lower ones, so even if an 8th seed is up by 19 with 3 minutes left, it wouldn't be considered a choke :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=qrich]Three opportunities to close out a series.

Three strike-outs including a 17 point loss and a 21 point loss.

But hey, I guess only higher seeds can choke, not lower ones, so even if an 8th seed is up by 19 with 3 minutes left, it wouldn't be considered a choke :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

Being up 19 with 3 minutes left and losing two games on the road and one at home to a superior team are two different things.

Do you realize how bad that Lakers team was, and what a miracle it was for them to even win 3 games in the first place?

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Steven Nash will for sure make the Hall. His rating is less than Gasol's.

Look at some of the other players on that list that made the Hall;

Dumars with a .4673

The fact that Dumars is in the Hall destroys you. It's over.

Gasol has better numbers...same number of titles...Dumars only played 14 seasons total

Dumars is in. That means Gasol is a lock on NBA play alone. End of story. There is no way you could have Dumars in the Hall of Fame and Gasol not in...would be idiotic.

Sorry.[/QUOTE]

The average player who makes the hall is .83

Nash has 2 mvps and is top 5 all time in assists. Made multiple 1st teams

Hes also statistically the greatest shooter ever.

Dumars is a defensive legend and finals mvp


Pau gasol is not top 50 at any aspect of basketball. Nore does he have any awards or 1st teams. He only has 1 second team


Theres ways to make the hall without a great rating. But pau doesnt have any of them


Keep trying ;)

love your threads, topics are always so diverse

[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]The average player who makes the hall is .83

Nash has 2 mvps and is top 5 all time in assists. Made multiple 1st teams

Hes also statistically the greatest shooter ever.

Dumars is a defensive legend and finals mvp


Pau gasol is not top 50 at any aspect of basketball. Nore does he have any awards or 1st teams. He only has 1 second team


Theres ways to make the hall without a great rating. But pau doesnt have any of them


Keep trying ;)[/QUOTE]


It doesn't matter what the average is if you have guys well below him on that formula.

Dumars has a finals mvp, but Gasol has better career numbers.

You really think the people voting will just ignore everything and only focus on the limited stuff you are looking at?

Nah...Gasol would make it on his NBA career alone.

I'd love to hear the argument for Dumars in and Gasol out. Solely because a finals MVP? Not good enough for people that actually know basketball.