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Did the Nuggets get overrated too soon?
Sure it's early and 4-6 isn't a hole they can't get out of. That being said most had them a top 4 seed (better than Grizzlies, Clippers and even Spurs) and analysts were guaranteeing a big leap. A few even had them as the winners of the west and number 1 seed :wtf: .
I always thought it was foolish because many teams ahead of them in the west got stronger too and Iggy isn't THAT good to take a team up an entire tier or two. When watching them so far this year they still have the same issues of not having a dependable go to scorer. On top of that Lawson who was supposedly their best player due to make a leap is playing like ass after his big contract.
Do you still think Denver will have HCA and be an elite team in the west? Or are they getting exposed as getting overhyped and overrated a bit too early? Their roster is more intact from previous seasons than the Grizzlies, Clippers and Lakers who all added multiple pieces this summer. So chemistry issues don't seem valid to me and we know most players can plug into that system right away and just play.
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Wait for Will The Thrill to get back............
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They've very good. I don't think they get HCA. But that's because the two LA's, SA, Memphis, OKC.
I don't think they'd beat either LA or Memphis or San Antonio. I think OKC is the weakest of the group and that, while they might even have the best player (and it's not as clear as people think) going ISO is gonna get old. Do I think Denver could beat OKC? Probably not. I really don't think they could beat the other teams.
Lawson will play better, tho we'll see if he thinks the leap. He might be a tad bit overrated, as I don't think he'll ever be top 10, but he is very good and should make an all-star team in his life. I think McGee is the guy with the ceiling tho. Maybe next year we'll see him as an all-star.
I think Denver can push any team to 7.
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[QUOTE=Whoah10115]They've very good. I don't think they get HCA. But that's because the two LA's, SA, Memphis, OKC.
I don't think they'd beat either LA or Memphis or San Antonio. I think OKC is the weakest of the group and that, while they might even have the best player (and it's not as clear as people think) going ISO is gonna get old. Do I think Denver could beat OKC? Probably not. I really don't think they could beat the other teams.
Lawson will play better, tho we'll see if he thinks the leap. He might be a tad bit overrated, as I don't think he'll ever be top 10, but he is very good and should make an all-star team in his life. I think McGee is the guy with the ceiling tho. Maybe next year we'll see him as an all-star.[/QUOTE]
I forgot the McGee thing. WTF happened? The guy looked flat out dominant at times vs the Lakers frontcourt of all teams in the playoffs. Then gets fat deal, has weird rift with Karl and doesn't seem to have much impact right now outside of blocking shots. Hakeem said dude could be the next superstar center :lol . I know he's had his moments but why is he in the doghouse?
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[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Sure it's early and 4-6 isn't a hole they can't get out of. That being said most had them a top 4 seed (better than Grizzlies, Clippers and even Spurs) and analysts were guaranteeing a big leap. A few even had them as the winners of the west and number 1 seed :wtf: .
I always thought it was foolish because many teams ahead of them in the west got stronger too and Iggy isn't THAT good to take a team up an entire tier or two. When watching them so far this year they still have the same issues of not having a dependable go to scorer. On top of that Lawson who was supposedly their best player due to make a leap is playing like ass after his big contract.
Do you still think Denver will have HCA and be an elite team in the west? Or are they getting exposed as getting overhyped and overrated a bit too early? Their roster is more intact from previous seasons than the Grizzlies, Clippers and Lakers who all added multiple pieces this summer. So chemistry issues don't seem valid to me and we know most players can plug into that system right away and just play.[/QUOTE]
They're overrated if people thought they could be truly elite for the simple fact that they have no one who even remotely resembles a super star. They have a collection of fine players but no one dominant player. I just can't seen them contending for a western conference championship or a title without that one dominant talent. People will always refer back to the 04' Pistons but they had several all stars and border line super stars, defensively in Wallace and offensively in Billups. I also believe that team was a bit of an aberration.
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They are playing decent at the moment.
Some of our most important players are off to a bad start (Gallo and Ty). But those will turn it around, and it have given some other guys a chance to develop (mostly Faried)
Karl's rotation (lack of trust in McGee and JHam + the 2PG lineup at all the wrong moments) and his defensive philosophy are my biggest worries. we are always killed from the 3pt line because of strongside double teaming and switching
They were overrated when some experts said 1-3 seed, but they are as good as they have been the last decade. 4-8 seed with a decent chance of advancing to the 2nd round.
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+ we are for some reason not getting to the FT line as much this season. after leading the league in that categori for many season. and we are still playing the same style
but that will come back to normal out in the season. + our much worse FG% this season (usually lead the league in that cat as well)
i mean being on of the top team when i say leading the league i a categori
offensive rebounding have been a huge positive suprise this season. Faried/McGee/Kosta are epic at that
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[QUOTE=kurple]They are playing decent at the moment.
Some of our most important players are off to a bad start (Gallo and Ty). But those will turn it around, and it have given some other guys a chance to develop (mostly Faried)
Karl's rotation (lack of trust in McGee and JHam + the 2PG lineup at all the wrong moments) and his defensive philosophy are my biggest worries. we are always killed from the 3pt line because of strongside double teaming and switching
They were overrated when some experts said 1-3 seed, but they are as good as they have been the last decade. 4-8 seed with a decent chance of advancing to the 2nd round.[/QUOTE]
Good post. That's what I meant by overrated (the 1-4 seed predictions, coming out of the west etc). Obviously they are a dangerous and good team. I agree 100 percent about 4-8 seed and solid chance at 2nd round :applause: .
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[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]I forgot the McGee thing. WTF happened? The guy looked flat out dominant at times vs the Lakers frontcourt of all teams in the playoffs. Then gets fat deal, has weird rift with Karl and doesn't seem to have much impact right now outside of blocking shots. Hakeem said dude could be the next superstar center :lol . I know he's had his moments but why is he in the doghouse?[/QUOTE]
He's not in the doghouse. He's just being used as a sub for now.
The Nuggets have the deepest team in the league. They can literally go 12 deep, with little drop-off...and I think that's the big problem. Karl is trying to juggle all of this and his rotations are not always the best. I think it's a result of the roster.
They'd be smart to trade Gallo. And they'd be smart to go after Alec Burks. But Karl likes playing big. Which is interesting, as his team is a running team. But they're big and athletic, which is scary. Burks is a difference-maker tho.
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the nuggets biggest problem from what I can see is everyone on their team needs to be set up, Lawson isn't a great shooter yet. Iggy has no 1 on 1 game same with varied and McGee. Galinari is decent but be isn't shooting well to start the season, they'll get better once they figure it out.
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Lawson playing like shit is the big issue..
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[QUOTE=Whoah10115]He's not in the doghouse. He's just being used as a sub for now.
The Nuggets have the deepest team in the league. They can literally go 12 deep, with little drop-off...and I think that's the big problem. Karl is trying to juggle all of this and his rotations are not always the best. I think it's a result of the roster.
They'd be smart to trade Gallo. And they'd be smart to go after Alec Burks. But Karl likes playing big. Which is interesting, as his team is a running team. But they're big and athletic, which is scary. Burks is a difference-maker tho.[/QUOTE]
They already have Jordan Hamilton who is similar to Burks and gets no pt.
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[QUOTE=brandonislegend]They already have Jordan Hamilton who is similar to Burks and gets no pt.[/QUOTE]
He's not similar at all, from what I've seen. Jordan Hamilton is a shooter. Burks is a flat-out scorer.
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[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]I forgot the McGee thing. WTF happened? The guy looked flat out dominant at times vs the Lakers frontcourt of all teams in the playoffs. Then gets fat deal, has weird rift with Karl and doesn't seem to have much impact right now outside of blocking shots. Hakeem said dude could be the next superstar center :lol . I know he's had his moments but why is he in the doghouse?[/QUOTE]
Well there goes any credibility you had with the Nuggets. McGee has been one of the very few bright spots. Karl just doesn't want to play him, when he's been in he's made an impact tho. He's doing work off the bench for sure. He's actually looked really good offensively, shown some post moves, finishing everything near the hoop. Continues to cut down on the stupidity.
Anyways I'm not sure if you can call them overrated. Hollinger and a few people in the media had them ranked pretty highly, we've seen their picks time after time fail. Any realistic person had them in the conversation with the 2nd tier West teams, which were Clippers, Spurs, Grizzlies after L.A and OKC. Probably still too early too tell, but that's not looking true.
George Karl has really shit the bed this year. Usually the regular season is his thing but whatever reason this year he seems to be struggling. His rotations are off, his "offensive" system isn't working and the constant switching on defense has led to teams going nuts from 3 point land, again. Throw in guy's like Lawson & Gallo have worked through some major slumps and Denver's rough start is pretty pretty well explained. Lawson has always been an extremely efficient player who ran this team, right now he's extremely in efficient from everywhere. He can't hit FT's, 3's, little shots etc. Second he bounces back even a little bit, Denver looks brand new.
One thing I haven't seen alot of people mention is the schedule too. Denver has a crazy amount of games on the road. Def a team that thrives on their home floor running wild with the altitude. That could have something to do with the slow start. 7 games on the road, 5 at home. 2-1 at home so far and 2-5 away from it. Some absurd like 17 of their first 24 games will played away from Denver, so I wouldn't be surprised to see them to rip off a nice run January and throw themselves back into that 4-7 range.
Guess we'll see. Still far too early and if it continues I can honestly see Karl getting put on the hotseat.
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They were never going to be more than a first round team anyway. Not sure why anyone thought otherwise. Would anyone really see them winning a series against the Lakers, Spurs, Thunder, Grizzlies or Clippers?
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[QUOTE=NuggetsFan]Well there goes any credibility you had with the Nuggets. McGee has been one of the very few bright spots. Karl just doesn't want to play him, when he's been in he's made an impact tho. He's doing work off the bench for sure. He's actually looked really good offensively, shown some post moves, finishing everything near the hoop. Continues to cut down on the stupidity.
Anyways I'm not sure if you can call them overrated. Hollinger and a few people in the media had them ranked pretty highly, we've seen their picks time after time fail. Any realistic person had them in the conversation with the 2nd tier West teams, which were Clippers, Spurs, Grizzlies after L.A and OKC. Probably still too early too tell, but that's not looking true.
George Karl has really shit the bed this year. Usually the regular season is his thing but whatever reason this year he seems to be struggling. His rotations are off, his "offensive" system isn't working and the constant switching on defense has led to teams going nuts from 3 point land, again. Throw in guy's like Lawson & Gallo have worked through some major slumps and Denver's rough start is pretty pretty well explained. Lawson has always been an extremely efficient player who ran this team, right now he's extremely in efficient from everywhere. He can't hit FT's, 3's, little shots etc. Second he bounces back even a little bit, Denver looks brand new.
One thing I haven't seen alot of people mention is the schedule too. Denver has a crazy amount of games on the road. Def a team that thrives on their home floor running wild with the altitude. That could have something to do with the slow start. 7 games on the road, 5 at home. 2-1 at home so far and 2-5 away from it. Some absurd like 17 of their first 24 games will played away from Denver, so I wouldn't be surprised to see them to rip off a nice run January and throw themselves back into that 4-7 range.
Guess we'll see. Still far too early and if it continues I can honestly see Karl getting put on the hotseat.[/QUOTE]
Hey I never claimed I watch all Nuggets games and know a bunch. Meaning I'm open to correction regarding McGee's play this year as I've only seen a handful of Nuggets games. No different than you thinking Bledsoe is an overrated role player at best.
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[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Hey I never claimed I watch all Nuggets games and know a bunch. Meaning I'm open to correction regarding McGee's play this year as I've only seen a handful of Nuggets games. No different than you thinking Bledsoe is an overrated role player at best.[/QUOTE]
But Eric Bledsoe is a role player? I say he's overrated when you call him more than one. I'm fine with you calling him a really good role player that can get hot and plays excellent D.
McGee has had a good season. He's looked good out there. Karl is keeping him with Dre, his breathing, Karl being Karl is what has kept him on the bench. Not his play.
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[QUOTE=NuggetsFan]But Eric Bledsoe is a role player? I say he's overrated when you call him more than one. I'm fine with you calling him a really good role player that can get hot and plays excellent D.
McGee has had a good season. He's looked good out there. Karl is keeping him with Dre, his breathing, Karl being Karl is what has kept him on the bench. Not his play.[/QUOTE]
I'm glad to know it's coach and not McGee taking a step back. Do you think the Nuggets need a different coach?
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Is there ever a good time to be overrated?
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[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]I'm glad to know it's coach and not McGee taking a step back. Do you think the Nuggets need a different coach?[/QUOTE]
Hard to say. McGee should be getting more burn, or atleast more burn during the games he's causing havoc for opposing teams. Denver's lack of shooting right now could be fixed by more Jordan Hamilton, which Karl has finally done. Karl has lost some games this year, poorly managed this far.
Right now I'd say it's just a rough start, in a few weeks if nothing changes Denver might be forced to make a coaching change simply to change things up.
I kinda want him gone but probably biased because of Denver's poor start.
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Karl Knows what he's doing. I don't see the point in firing him unless you have someone with a plan in mind.
D, Antoni would've been a pretty decent coach for this team,
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I can't understand how people can believe in a team with a definitive go to guy. A bunch of good players does not work, you need a damn star.
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Gallo, Wilson Chandler and Ty have been very average, Farid is the only one playing well every game, in some ways its good they don't peak but the question is will they ever get on a run and turn it on? Im sure they will get it together they are a top 10 team in the NBA no doubt, strong bench as well it will come. They have a lot of hot and cold players like Gallo, Chandler, Javale and eventually they will get hot for a while
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Nuggets have a ton of talent don't get me wrong, but as far as giving McGee that contract? Flat out stupid. I'm sorry but Nene is three times the player McGee will ever be. Ty Lawson is the key for this team. If he's playing bad, I feel like the Nuggets are playing bad but when he's hot? There is no denying he's a player that the team feeds off. Gallinari just can't stay healthy and he has a lot to prove in my book. He hasn't been shooting the ball well which scares me.
As far as Wilson Chandler, he was either good or just average in New York which is why I always called him inconsistent. He's another injury prone player that Denver has to deal with now, thank god. Hard to judge the Nuggets because of health but they really have no back to the basket low post players that can score. Faried has been the bright spot this year for them but he's a rodman type that rebounds and gets put backs, ala McGee.
I just don't see how people say Denver needs a new coach when clearly, Karl is proven in this league. Gave Randolph a pretty decent contract but he's a knucklehead lets be serious. Not getting paid much compared to the league but he is definitely overpaid for what kind of player he is. A lot of hype for this Denver team with some big contracts so we'll see how it pans out but right now, it's not looking good.
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[QUOTE=AngelEyes]They're overrated if people thought they could be truly elite for the simple fact that they have no one who even remotely resembles a super star. They have a collection of fine players but no one dominant player. I just can't seen them contending for a western conference championship or a title without that one dominant talent. People will always refer back to the 04' Pistons but they had several all stars and border line super stars, defensively in Wallace and offensively in Billups. I also believe that team was a bit of an aberration.[/QUOTE]
Dude
Ben, Rasheed, Billups, and Rip are all better than anybody on the Nuggets right now.
Hell. Okur would be the Nuggets 1st option
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[QUOTE=Bigsmoke]Dude
Ben, Rasheed, Billups, and Rip are all better than anybody on the Nuggets right now.
Hell. Okur would be the Nuggets 1st option[/QUOTE]
Disagree. Rasheed never did much of anything. Prince was better than he was on the Pistons. Ben Wallace, while a great defensive player, became overrated. Gimme some Manimal. And McGee has talent. And Lawson too, tho he'll never be as good as Chauncey. Gallo too.
Plus, look at their depth. They have room to make moves.
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[QUOTE=HaNdLe ThE RoCk]Nuggets have a ton of talent don't get me wrong, but as far as giving McGee that contract? Flat out stupid. I'm sorry but Nene is three times the player McGee will ever be. [/quote]
mcgee is playing well. 11/6/2...much smarter, improved ft...just playing better overall. 11 million per year. 25 years old.
nene...0 ppg, 0 rpg...14 million per year. 31 years old.
nice try though.
[quote]As far as Wilson Chandler, he was either good or just average in New York which is why I always called him inconsistent. He's another injury prone player that Denver has to deal with now, thank god.[/quote]
thank god denver has to deal with...
oh I get it. now I see what your deal is.
[quote]I just don't see how people say Denver needs a new coach when clearly, Karl is proven in this league. Gave Randolph a pretty decent contract but he's a knucklehead lets be serious. Not getting paid much compared to the league but he is definitely overpaid for what kind of player he is. A lot of hype for this Denver team with some big contracts so we'll see how it pans out but right now, it's not looking good.[/QUOTE]
contracts arent our problems. especially when you use randolph as an example :oldlol:
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[QUOTE=Bigsmoke]Dude
Ben, Rasheed, Billups, and Rip are all better than anybody on the Nuggets right now.
Hell. Okur would be the Nuggets 1st option[/QUOTE]
yeah...sure. :rolleyes:
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[QUOTE=Whoah10115]He's not similar at all, from what I've seen. Jordan Hamilton is a shooter. Burks is a flat-out scorer.[/QUOTE]
you havent seen enough
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[QUOTE=NuggetsFan]Hard to say. McGee should be getting more burn, or atleast more burn during the games he's causing havoc for opposing teams. Denver's lack of shooting right now could be fixed by more Jordan Hamilton, which Karl has finally done. Karl has lost some games this year, poorly managed this far.
Right now I'd say it's just a rough start, in a few weeks if nothing changes Denver might be forced to make a coaching change simply to change things up.
I kinda want him gone but probably biased because of Denver's poor start.[/QUOTE]
Karl's firing is 5 years overdue. His business partnership and friendship with Kroenke is the only reason he's there.
His philosophy on both ends of the court are just ABSOLUTELY wrong and have been. He sucks at in game adjustments, by simply not making any, and it's apparent he checks himself out during games. It's been called out by commentators and players in the past. He quit a long time ago, may as well be fired.
He's great in practice and developing players from a technical aspect, but his diva personality doesn't help them.
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The Nuggets are like the Detroit Lions. A lot of times they can be fun to watch, but they'll never be real contenders.
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Why is this thread made by a Clipper fan? What's the agenda? I know there are Nuggets fans here that don't really care much for the Clippers but doesn't mean we have to take jabs. CF86; you representing all Clipper fans. Making posts like this make us look like a bunch off a-holes. Let's not forget where we came from. Clipper fans will not be labeled under the same list as Kobetards/Lebrontards.
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Just stick to talking about Eric Bledsoe.
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I'm too busy being proud of the Clippers to hate on other teams. I don't even hate the Lakers that much anymore(Don't get confused, I will never like them). As long as the Clippers continue to prove that they are true contenders, I can care less what happens to any team. If the Lakers continue to get themselves out of their rut, even if Kobe scores 101, grabs 56 rebs and 35 assists in a single game, more power to them.
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[QUOTE=Michael_Wilbon]The Nuggets are like the Detroit Lions. A lot of times they can be fun to watch, but they'll never be real contenders.[/QUOTE]
fan of both :banghead:
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[QUOTE=clipps]Why is this thread made by a Clipper fan? What's the agenda? I know there are Nuggets fans here that don't really care much for the Clippers but doesn't mean we have to take jabs. CF86; you representing all Clipper fans. Making posts like this make us look like a bunch off a-holes. Let's not forget where we came from. Clipper fans will not be labeled under the same list as Kobetards/Lebrontards.[/QUOTE]
cf86 has always made you guys look awful.
i know most of you are much better fans than him but he just isnt doing you guys any favors.
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[QUOTE=NugzFan]cf86 has always made you guys look awful.
i know most of you are much better fans than him but he just isnt doing you guys any favors.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. I remember going at it with you a few times, but those arguments were legit because of the 06 playoffs. To post a thread about a random team for no reason is foolish. It wouldn't make sense if I started a thread bashing some random team like the Warriors or Pacers. I no reason to.
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[QUOTE=NugzFan]fan of both :banghead:[/QUOTE]
Clipper/Charger/Angel fan here. You'll get through it. Phillip Rivers can go jump off a bridge, though.
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[QUOTE=HaNdLe ThE RoCk]Nuggets have a ton of talent don't get me wrong, but as far as giving McGee that contract? Flat out stupid. I'm sorry but Nene is three times the player McGee will ever be. Ty Lawson is the key for this team. If he's playing bad, I feel like the Nuggets are playing bad but when he's hot? There is no denying he's a player that the team feeds off. Gallinari just can't stay healthy and he has a lot to prove in my book. He hasn't been shooting the ball well which scares me.
As far as Wilson Chandler, he was either good or just average in New York which is why I always called him inconsistent. He's another injury prone player that Denver has to deal with now, thank god. Hard to judge the Nuggets because of health but they really have no back to the basket low post players that can score. Faried has been the bright spot this year for them but he's a rodman type that rebounds and gets put backs, ala McGee.
I just don't see how people say Denver needs a new coach when clearly, Karl is proven in this league. Gave Randolph a pretty decent contract but he's a knucklehead lets be serious. Not getting paid much compared to the league but he is definitely overpaid for what kind of player he is. A lot of hype for this Denver team with some big contracts so we'll see how it pans out but right now, it's not looking good.[/QUOTE]
oh, it's you again.
moving on
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