Inconvenient truth: 2005-2007 Lakers...7th seeds twice, missed once

Please tell me how a prime supposed top 10 GOAT player fails to win a single playoff series for the 3 out of 3 seasons he did not have great teammates?

To make it even worse those 3 seasons resulted in a missed playoffs, and two 7th seeds.

Shouldn't a prime top 10 GOAT player be able to lead his cast to a better than 7th seed and be able to win a playoff series without great teammates?

Even more startling, he has never had a great finals performance even when his team was a title team. He simply did not carry any team. Gasol and Kobe were equals.

When you look through the hype you will see his performances for what they are. Look at his much hyped 2009 finals.

2009 finals= 32 ppg on 27 shots per game, 43% fg while Gasol dealt with Dwight in the paint and Kobe went up against the likes of Lewis and Hedo. Really? What's so amazing about this finals?

2010 finals= Gasol was robbed on the finals MVP while Kobe was awful.

It's a miracle Kobe was able to lead that awful supporting cast to 2 straight playoffs.

Why not call out Kareem for missing the playoffs at his peak during the mid 70's? Even Hakeem in his prime failed to lead his team to the playoffs and he had a much better supporting cast than Kobe. Chamberlain in his peak was on a team that lost nearly 50 games.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]It's a miracle Kobe was able to lead that awful supporting cast to 2 straight playoffs.

Why not call out Kareem for missing the playoffs at his peak during the mid 70's? Even Hakeem in his prime failed to lead his team to the playoffs and he had a much better supporting cast than Kobe. Chamberlain in his peak was on a team that lost nearly 50 games.[/QUOTE]

Because Kareem and Wilt played in the old NBA, an entirely different animal alltogether. In the modern NBA any team with a real top ten player is guaranteed to be relevant. Thats what separates the true all-time greats from the all-stars.

Can you imagine a team with Prime Shaq, Duncan, or LeBron missing the playoffs or even failing to advance for three straight years? These are the guys Kobe stans are comparing their hero to. If you think your top ten thats your competition.

It's not even that Kobe had terrible casts. The VERY year before the Lakers made the Finals. They got VALUE in return for Shaq and Payton. Lamar Odom was an all-star snub for the Heat who averaged 17-10 for a team that ADVANCED in the playoffs. Butler was a 15 PPG player. LeBron was catapulting Finals runs and he didn't even have a guy close to Odoms caliber.

In the Kobe era the Lakers only go as far as the frontcourt takes them. And as a 6'5 guard Kobe makes zero difference in the interior game.

[QUOTE=TonyMontana]Because Kareem and Wilt played in the old NBA, an entirely different animal alltogether. In the modern NBA any team with a real top ten player is guaranteed to be relevant. Thats what separates the true all-time greats from the all-stars.

Can you imagine a team with Prime Shaq, Duncan, or LeBron missing the playoffs or even failing to advance for three straight years? These are the guys Kobe stans are comparing their hero to. If you think your top ten thats your competition.

It's not even that Kobe had terrible casts. The VERY year before the Lakers made the Finals. They got VALUE in return for Shaq and Payton. Lamar Odom was an all-star snub for the Heat who averaged 17-10 for a team that ADVANCED in the playoffs. Butler was a 15 PPG player. LeBron was catapulting Finals runs and he didn't even have a guy close to Odoms caliber.

In the Kobe era the Lakers only go as far as the frontcourt takes them. And as a 6'5 guard Kobe makes zero difference in the interior game.[/QUOTE]

oh RG you hater :rolleyes:

Well, Pauk only talks about Kobe

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]It's a miracle Kobe was able to lead that awful supporting cast to 2 straight playoffs.[/QUOTE]
Yet, LeBron was able to take an even worse roster to the finals.

Just sayin'.

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Yet, LeBron was able to take an even worse roster to the finals.

Just sayin'.[/QUOTE]
I mean I get you said Iraq had WMDs, but this George, get a grip.

who are the supposed top 10 in the NBA? have any of them consistently made the playoffs and at least got better than 7th with an equally or even inferior cast than Kobe's? if yes, then Kobe has no excuse. if no, then it just proves no player, great as they are, can achieve team success without at least good teammates.

Another Kobe hate thread, what's new?

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Yet, LeBron was able to take an even worse roster to the finals.

Just sayin'.[/QUOTE]


LOVE how people bash Kobe stans that go in threads and post about Kobe. Then you have Lebron stans like this that have to go in threads that have nothing to do with Lebron outside of one Lebron stan prior bringing him up. It's okay for them to do it but I guarantee if it were the other way around, they'd be all over the person for daring to bring another name into a Lebron thread to gloat.

[QUOTE=OJ SIMPSON 2.0]Another Kobe hate thread, what's new?[/QUOTE]
you can say the same about Lebron hate threads.

How did Jordan do in the 80's?

/End Thread.

Atleast Kobe didnt CHOKE

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[QUOTE=mentallooser]Did he fail to make the playoffs?[/QUOTE]

Who cares? Dude's team got destroyed his 1st three seasons in the league (in the 1st round). Heck, in his 2nd season (playing just 18 games)...his team still managed to make the playoffs without his services. :rolleyes:

He played 3 games, and got swept in the 1st round.
Lost 3-1 the other 2 years too.

Kobe missed the playoffs in 2005, true.
LA finished 36-46 I believe; they lost their head coach plus Odom/Kobe to injuries that year. LA went 12-27 with their interim coach. 24-19 with Rudy T.
Kobe played 66 games that year...Odom played 64 games.
LA's record with Kobe that year was 28 wins and 30 losses...however, LA's record was 1-8 when Kobe tried to play through his injuries (in March and April). Odom was injured at that time, he missed the last month of the season as I recall.
LA ended up losing 11 of their last 12 games that year without Odom, an injured Kobe and no head coach. :rolleyes:

They were in the playoff picture before injuries and Rudy T's illness occured.
****, Jordan's team made it into the playoffs WITHOUT him and they got swept in the 1st round WITH him.

I mean if you hoes really want to play this card?