In the end, the kobe vs lebron debate boils down to this
What do you value more?
Accolades and accomplishments (kobe 5 rangz)
Vs
In-game impact and dominance (legoat)
Mj has both, which is why he's the indisputable goat.
Wilt has impact, while Russell's impaxt was questionable on the offensive end.
Lebron stans should be wilt stans, and kobe/Russell
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[QUOTE=ISHGoat]What do you value more?
Accolades and accomplishments (kobe 5 rangz)
Vs
[B]In-game impact and dominance (legoat)
[/B]
Mj has both, which is why he's the indisputable goat.
Wilt has impact, while Russell's impaxt was questionable on the offensive end.
Lebron stans should be wilt stans, and kobe/Russell[/QUOTE]
Scoring 81 points in a game isn't dominating? 62 in three quarters against the best team in the West isn't dominating?
I guess you have a weird definition of "In game impact and dominance."
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[QUOTE=Droid101]Scoring 81 points in a game isn't dominating? 62 in three quarters against the best team in the West isn't dominating?
I guess you have a weird definition of "In game impact and dominance."[/QUOTE]
I guess your criteria for evaluating careers is single game highs
I'm talking about widely accepted advanced stats that capture a players performance over an entire season, but you know, those don't favor your boy so lets just post "81 points doe".
Actually, we don't even need to look at advanced stats. Lebron has Kobe beat in every basic stat except turnovers and free throw %. Even scoring, which is supposedly kobe's strongest aspect, lebron has him beat with more points on better efficiency.
I'm just guessing here, but Kobe has never led the league in PER, ws48, bpm, vorp in the regular season nor in the playoffs. But I guess those stats are just made up to prop up certain individuals while bringing down others
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It's honestly Kobe's first 3 rings. How much value people place on those is imo what truly will always be the divider in that debate
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[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents]It's honestly Kobe's first 3 rings. How much value people place on those is imo what truly will always be the divider in that debate[/QUOTE]
Let's not act like his last two rings were on par with any of bran's championship runs either
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[QUOTE=ISHGoat]I guess your criteria for evaluating careers is single game highs
I'm talking about widely accepted advanced stats that capture a players performance over an entire season, but you know, those don't favor your boy so lets just post "81 points doe"
I'm just guessing here, but Kobe has never led the league in PER, ws48, bpm, vorp in the regular season nor in the playoffs. But I guess those stats are just made up to prop up certain individuals while bringing down others[/QUOTE]
all those stats are based off box score
it's basically like remixing the box score stats 4 different times
box score lovers are bran fans
bball lovers are kobe fans
Re: In the end, the kobe vs lebron debate boils down to this
Stats: Lebron
Individual accolades: Lebron
Rings: Kobe
Overall: LeBron
its not that hard tbh
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[QUOTE=ISHGoat]Let's not act like his last two rings were on par with any of bran's championship runs either[/QUOTE]
why aren't they on par with lebrons eastern conference runs with a stacked team?
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[QUOTE=outbreak]why aren't they on par with lebrons eastern conference runs with a stacked team?[/QUOTE]
Those weren't stacked teams though....
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[QUOTE=warriorfan]all those stats are based off box score
it's basically like remixing the box score stats 4 different times
box score lovers are bran fans
bball lovers are kobe fans[/QUOTE]
Wel those remixed box scores are eztremely axcurate. I dare you to look up this seasons top offensive and defensive differentials. Iirc, bogut was #1 on D while curry was #1 on O. I guess theyre just made up formulas right?
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[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents]It's honestly Kobe's first 3 rings. How much value people place on those is imo what truly will always be the divider in that debate[/QUOTE]
How much should one value Kareem's rings? All he did was score and play defense for all his title Teams, just like Kobe. :confusedshrug:
It's hilarious how some of you can sit there with a straight face and pretend Shaq was the sole reason for the 3peat, when it's proven that the ball was in Kobe's hand for pretty much every clutch moment during that run. Shaq was obviously more dominant statistically and as a presence, but even in 2000 Jalen Rose tried to take this dude out of The Finals because he felt they had a better shot beating Shaq without him and still came up big in game 4 on a bum ankle, which arguably clinched the series.
Every pass for a big play including Ron's three vs The Celtics, Fish's 3 vs the Magic, Shaq's alley hoop vs The Blazers, Horry's corner 3 vs The Blazers. ALL facilitated by Kobe. Even without scoring he's impacted the game in huge ways, even in the infamous game 7 vs The Celtics Lebron stans love to harp on where he out rebounded Kevin Garrnet and Rasheed Wallace.
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[QUOTE=HOoopCityJones]How much should one value Kareem's rings? All he did was score and play defense for all his title Teams, just like Kobe. :confusedshrug:
:roll: It's hilarious how some of you can sit there with a straight face and pretend Shaq was the sole reason for the 3peat, when it's proven that the ball was in Kobe's hand for pretty much every clutch moment during that run. Shaq was obviously more dominant statistically and as a presence, but even in 2000 Jalen Rose tried to take this dude out of The Finals because he felt they had a better shot beating Shaq without him and still came up big in game 4 which arguably clinched the series.
Every pass for a big play including Ron's three vs The Celtics, Fish's 3 vs the Magic, Shaq's alley hoop vs The Blazers, Horry's corner 3 vs The Blazers. ALL facilitated by Kobe. Even without scoring he's impacted the game in huge ways, even in the infamous game 7 vs The Celtics Lebron stans love to harp on where he out rebounded Kevin Garrnet and Rasheed Wallace.[/QUOTE]
Lol, don't get so defensive, I wasn't implying anything good or bad by that. But I generally do believe Kobe's first 3 rings are the most polarizing aspect of his resume
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[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents]Lol, don't get so defensive, I wasn't implying anything good or bad by that. But I generally do believe Kobe's first 3 rings are the most polarizing aspect of his resume[/QUOTE]
Because he put up comparable scoring averages to prime Shaq? :biggums:
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[QUOTE=HOoopCityJones]Because he put up comparable scoring averages to prime Shaq? :biggums:[/QUOTE]
Because some will believe what you say, while others will believe he was the second best player, and those who say he was "carried" by Shaq
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[QUOTE=HOoopCityJones]How much should one value Kareem's rings? All he did was score and play defense for all his title Teams, just like Kobe. :confusedshrug:
It's hilarious how some of you can sit there with a straight face and pretend Shaq was the sole reason for the 3peat, when it's proven that the ball was in Kobe's hand for pretty much every clutch moment during that run. Shaq was obviously more dominant statistically and as a presence, but even in 2000 Jalen Rose tried to take this dude out of The Finals because he felt they had a better shot beating Shaq without him and still came up big in game 4 on a bum ankle, which arguably clinched the series.
Every pass for a big play including Ron's three vs The Celtics, Fish's 3 vs the Magic, Shaq's alley hoop vs The Blazers, Horry's corner 3 vs The Blazers. ALL facilitated by Kobe. Even without scoring he's impacted the game in huge ways, even in the infamous game 7 vs The Celtics Lebron stans love to harp on where he out rebounded Kevin Garrnet and Rasheed Wallace.[/QUOTE]
:lol calm down bro