And if not, why don't you have him there?
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And if not, why don't you have him there?
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[QUOTE=The Immortal]A center can never be the GOAT basketball player. Too tall, zero appeal to the masses.. most of them have virtually zero charisma/charm.
Michael Jordan
the rest[/QUOTE]
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Jordan
Kareem
Russell
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1. LeBron
2. Jordan
3. Kareem
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G8bIDEtpOMs"]This man[/URL] thinks Kareem is GOAT.
If Kareem is considered the GOAT to somebody, it's probably due to his longevity and overall basketball career.
[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]If Kareem is considered the GOAT to somebody, it's probably due to his longevity and overall basketball career.[/QUOTE]
Aren't those what you should use to judge a player on the GOAT list? Or does charisma/marketability play a role?
[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]If Kareem is considered the GOAT to somebody, it's probably due to his longevity and overall basketball career.[/QUOTE]
You sounded like peak and prime wise Kareem was not good enough to be called the goat and if your point was this, I disagree with it.
Gratuitous plug of my thread
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=282043[/url]
[QUOTE=Mass Debator]Aren't those what you should use to judge a player on the GOAT list? Or does charisma/marketability play a role?[/QUOTE]
I don't really care if people have Kareem GOAT or not. People don't think the same way to draw the same conclusions on their GOAT lists. You and I probably think marketability/charisma has not play or role (logically, anyways), but some have used it. Not saying it's right, but it can influence somebody's criteria.
My reasoning as to why Kareem is considered GOAT is going off how much people look at what Kareem accomplished/stands out the most... and that's his longevity and total career. Going into his peak play:
[QUOTE=Odinn]You sounded like peak and prime wise Kareem was not good enough to be called the goat and if your point was this, I disagree with it.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, my bad if I came off that way. Kareem's peak is as good as any player who's played the game.
I have him at the #2 center behind Wilt. He was a great player. One of the best ever.
IMO, Kareem is the greatest if we consider overall basketball resume (HS, college and NBA).
But my criteria is who is purely the [I]best[/I] basketball player ever (as in ability), and while Kareem has a case to #1 on that, I feel like Jordan has the strongest case, followed by Wilt and Kareem.