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RainierBeachPoet 09-16-2006 09:58 AM

hakeem vs d. robinson
 
what is your analysis of d.rob vs the dream?

one of the recent posts here in ish was about "who owned whom".

one persons comment was that hakeem owned d. rob. i believe that it was primarily because of the highlights of a few dream shakes that hakeem put on david in the playoffs in 1995 (?)

in the head to head games i watched of the two, i never got the sense that hakeem dominated robinson. i considered it, overall, pretty close

hakeem played more games than david so his totals in all catagories are better but their per game averages are very close

david has two rings; hakeem also

hakeem was overall better defensively

let's talk...

Carbine 09-16-2006 10:01 AM

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I'm assuming you're trying to make a case for DRob.

Here is a hint of advice:

Don't bring up the rings. Yes, they both have two... but the huge difference is Dream was the best player on those championship teams, David wasn't. Big difference.

RainierBeachPoet 09-16-2006 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carbine
I'm assuming you're trying to make a case for DRob.

Here is a hint of advice:

Don't bring up the rings. Yes, they both have two... but the huge difference is Dream was the best player on those championship teams, David wasn't. Big difference.


the rings are to hakeem's advantage true:cheers:

my question is of dominance-- i dont think that hakeem dominated david over the course of their careers. that was not the sense i got in the 90s

that 1995 playoff series was just a few games (although hakeem did take it to david in that series) and it dominates people's memory in that hakeem ALWAYS did that against david. not true

El Kabong 09-16-2006 10:51 AM

Hakeem kicked Robinson's butt when it mattered. In the playoffs. I always considered Hakeem a better player then Robinson anyways.

gaydad 09-16-2006 10:55 AM

Hakeem vs. Robinson is the utimate "who owns who" example :rollingeyes:

Glove_20 09-16-2006 12:56 PM

Hakeem is better than David Robinson no doubt...


Offensively and Defensively and Winning wise

dejordan 09-16-2006 03:13 PM

in 1995, the year the admiral won his mvp, hakeem clobbered him in the playoffs, HOWEVER, i agree with BeachPoet on this one. if you look at their accomplishments and stats up until 1994 (that's 9 years into hakeem's career and 6 years into david's) they are very similar. if you actually watched them back in the day, robinson was probably equally intimidating as a basket defender, better at running guys down on the break, and more athletic (in terms of hops and sprinting speed). hakeem actually peaked very late, but at his peak he was a phenominal player, definitely better than david. for the course of their careers though, they weren't so different. i never thought robinson had the need to win though. to me hakeem seemed like more of a leader by example. david made a better second banana.

XxNeXuSxX 09-16-2006 03:19 PM

D-Rob has a Quadrouple double. And also 5 triple doubles within the same month with 10+blocks, and nearly missing a second quadrouple double

XxNeXuSxX 09-16-2006 03:20 PM

*looks it up,* I bet Hakeem has one too, there is only 4 guys that have done it and I am now frustrated.

dejordan 09-16-2006 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XxNeXuSxX
*looks it up,* I bet Hakeem has one too, there is only 4 guys that have done it and I am now frustrated.

i think hakeem is one of those guys actually. alvin robertson did it with steals. don't know who the other was. people say wilt would done it multiple times if they'd kept blocks back in the day.

Psileas 09-16-2006 03:34 PM

Notice though that even till 1994, Hakeem still had Robinson beaten in playoff stats:

Robinson: 28 games, 23.5 ppg, 12.1 rpg, 50.5% FG
Olajuwon: 85 games, 27.0 ppg, 12.3 rpg, 53.1% FG

Bourne 09-16-2006 03:41 PM

Weird. Just today I watched a video of hakeem owning Drob in the last game of the western conference finals.

Shepseskaf 09-16-2006 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainierBeachPoet
what is your analysis of d.rob vs the dream?

one of the recent posts here in ish was about "who owned whom".

one persons comment was that hakeem owned d. rob. i believe that it was primarily because of the highlights of a few dream shakes that hakeem put on david in the playoffs in 1995 (?)

in the head to head games i watched of the two, i never got the sense that hakeem dominated robinson. i considered it, overall, pretty close

hakeem played more games than david so his totals in all catagories are better but their per game averages are very close

david has two rings; hakeem also

hakeem was overall better defensively

let's talk...

This isn't about stats. Its about the absolute dominance of one elite player over another. I watched that series and have never seen a top player just embarrassed the way D. Rob was. It got to the point where I felt sorry for the guy... his head was down; at times he looked straight-up depressed.

I remember Avery Johnson in one of the huddles that was miked clearly stating that the team "couldn't count on David" (because he was getting owned) and had to find a way to win without him. It sounds incredible, but I clearly remember being shocked that Avery would come out and say that. He was obviously the team leader, not Robinson.

It wasn't just highlights. Hakeem put a historic beat-down on D. Rob.

The Mamba 09-16-2006 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psileas
Robinson: 28 games
Olajuwon: 85 games

Thank Ralph Sampson, and a better team for that. Hakeem played on some very good teams, from earlier in his career too. Robinson was stuck by himself until the mid to late 90's. And please, for the love of god... a prime David Robinson is better than a prime Tim Duncan. David Robinson's career numbers 21.1 ppg, 3 bpg, 11 rpg, 3 apg, 1 spg. And that is after injuries deluted his skills, and playing time past the 1999 - 2000 season. If you compare their best numbers from the primes of their careers, Robinson is better than Duncan. I'd take a prime Admiral 10 times out of 10 over a prime Tim Duncan. As for Hakeem v.s. Robinson? Meh, tough ass question. Can't decide.

Shepseskaf 09-16-2006 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mamba
If you compare their best numbers from the primes of their careers, Robinson is better than Duncan. I'd take a prime Admiral 10 times out of 10 over a prime Tim Duncan.

Forget the numbers, Duncan has the winning intangibles that Robinson never had. He's a better leader, and more respected by his teammates. I don't take the Admiral over Duncan even one time out of ten.

Robinson was a freak of nature, no doubt, but he always played soft to me. Never really known as a tough, clutch player -- sort of like a slightly better version of KG in that regard.

Duncan would NEVER have allowed himself to be owned like Robinson was against Hakeem.

rzp 09-16-2006 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shepseskaf
Duncan would NEVER have allowed himself to be owned like Robinson was against Hakeem.


Hakeem probly would kick TD ass too

Carbine 09-16-2006 04:54 PM

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Quote:

Duncan would NEVER have allowed himself to be owned like Robinson was against Hakeem.

Amare.

DreamRuled 09-16-2006 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dejordan
, better at running guys down on the break,



not really disagreeing with the rest of your post, but did you see the game, or ever see the highlights of, Dream running down KJ on a break and swatting his dunk attempt into the crowd?

for the most part, the two players were close to equal statistically. But Hakeem always seemed to have the edge when they played.

Also, the post about the quad double, Dream has one also, and quite a few nearly quad doubles...I'll try to find the site that has the almosts listed

Glove_20 09-16-2006 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carbine
Amare.

Who won the series?


I think that mattered more to Duncan

The Mamba 09-16-2006 04:59 PM

Robinson doesn't have the 'winning intangibles"? If by not having 'winning intangibles' you mean not having fellow all-stars surrounding him, having a great coach, etc. Then yeah, Robinson never had all that. Not to mention he played in one of the most difficult, and competitive eras in professional basketball...

Robinson not a leader? WTF, this dude was ia Lieutenant the Navy. If anything, Robinson knows TRUE leadership. Wasn't a leader? haha He was the leader of the team when Duncan played with them. Duncan would probably even tell you this, straight up.

Admiral was just straight better. Softer? Growing up under a Navy family? Yeah right. Duncan was a beast. Like Dwight Howard's body, but even more athletic.

The Mamba 09-16-2006 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carbine
Amare.

Exactly...

Quote:

Hakeem probly would kick TD ass too
Most definetely. Duncan isn't near quick enough, or athletic enough to guard "The Dream."

XxNeXuSxX 09-16-2006 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shepseskaf
Forget the numbers, Duncan has the winning intangibles that Robinson never had. He's a better leader, and more respected by his teammates. I don't take the Admiral over Duncan even one time out of ten.





I can't picture a single player, or even a person that disrepected D-Rob. He was a complete role model on and off the court...

Shepseskaf 09-16-2006 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mamba
Robinson doesn't have the 'winning intangibles"? If by not having 'winning intangibles' you mean not having fellow all-stars surrounding him, having a great coach, etc. Then yeah, Robinson never had all that. Not to mention he played in one of the most difficult, and competitive eras in professional basketball...

Robinson not a leader? WTF, this dude was ia Lieutenant the Navy. If anything, Robinson knows TRUE leadership. Wasn't a leader? haha He was the leader of the team when Duncan played with them. Duncan would probably even tell you this, straight up.

Admiral was just straight better. Softer? Growing up under a Navy family? Yeah right. Duncan was a beast. Like Dwight Howard's body, but even more athletic.

D. Rob. was not as respected as a team leader as Duncan is. If you saw that clip of his own teammate (Avery) dissing him, you would realize this. I'm not saying that Robinson was trash, or that he wasn't respected as an upstanding citizen and a great role model, he just didn't have the gritty intangibles that Duncan has.

I guess we can agree to disagree, but I really can't explain it better than that. Robinson always reminded me of a big, incredibly coordinated guy who played ball because of his physical talents, not because he loved the game. With Duncan, I think the latter is true.

EDIT: I don't know if you watched that series against Hakeem and the Rockets, but at some points Robinson was incredibly, and visibly lacking in confidence. It got so bad at one point that Avery made a point about giving him a hug (seriously) to boost his spirits and to get his head up again. To have that happen to the reigning MVP was amazing. You can't tell me that Robinson lost a ton of respect after that series, even though many probably won't come out and say it.

Shepseskaf 09-16-2006 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XxNeXuSxX
I can't picture a single player, or even a person that disrepected D-Rob. He was a complete role model on and off the court...

Being respected as a person and a role model, which he certainly was, is different from being respected on the floor. D. Rob was obviously a great player, but did not have the same reputation for toughness in the clutch that Duncan has earned.

rzp 09-16-2006 05:27 PM

just curious...
who is the 992nd banana?

exit 09-16-2006 05:40 PM

prime hakeem would screw anybody any day. yeah the dream was that good.

Gotterdammerung 09-16-2006 06:34 PM

I remember Dennis Rodman in one of his autobiographies say that prior to (one of) the games during the '95 west conference finals, D-Rob was shaking in his boots in the locker room, absolutely all shook and quivering all over. I'm sure this inspired confidence in the other players.

What was Dennis Rodman's excuses? That he couldn't guard Hakeem, due to the risk of foul trouble, or his board responsibilities kept leaving Robert Horry wide open for 3's? :hammerhead:

Shepseskaf 09-16-2006 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gotterdammerung
I remember Dennis Rodman in one of his autobiographies say that prior to (one of) the games during the '95 west conference finals, D-Rob was shaking in his boots in the locker room, absolutely all shook and quivering all over. I'm sure this inspired confidence in the other players.

I recall that there was some serious static between Rodman and Robinson because Rodman didn't respect him. I had forgotten about that quote, and it just reinforces my point -- D. Rob. is a great person, but was NOT a rock in the clutch, and didn't especially inspire confidence in teammates.

Younggrease 09-16-2006 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glove_20
Who won the series?


I think that mattered more to Duncan


Duncan would get owned by Dream. First of all i could see dream shutting duncan down. Second of all there is nothing TD could do to stup Hakeem. They would have to double and triple him. But i think Hakeem could play Duncan 1 on 1.

Zombles 09-16-2006 07:00 PM

In his prime I don't think anyone could stop Hakeem, so it's not really disrespectful to Duncan.

I mean this guy torched a young Shaq, MVP Robinson, and Prime Ewing. If those three couldn't stop him I'm not sure anyone could of.

Gotterdammerung 09-16-2006 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shepseskaf
I recall that there was some serious static between Rodman and Robinson because Rodman didn't respect him. I had forgotten about that quote, and it just reinforces my point -- D. Rob. is a great person, but was NOT a rock in the clutch, and didn't especially inspire confidence in teammates.


Righteous avatar, Shepseskaf. :cheers:

RainierBeachPoet 09-17-2006 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dejordan
in 1995, the year the admiral won his mvp, hakeem clobbered him in the playoffs, HOWEVER, i agree with BeachPoet on this one. if you look at their accomplishments and stats up until 1994 (that's 9 years into hakeem's career and 6 years into david's) they are very similar. if you actually watched them back in the day, robinson was probably equally intimidating as a basket defender, better at running guys down on the break, and more athletic (in terms of hops and sprinting speed). hakeem actually peaked very late, but at his peak he was a phenominal player, definitely better than david. for the course of their careers though, they weren't so different. i never thought robinson had the need to win though. to me hakeem seemed like more of a leader by example. david made a better second banana.


that is an excellent observation derjdn about the late peak of hakeem. :applause: that doesnt happen to the vast majority of players and it makes a huge difference in comparing him to d.rob. especially since the highlight of his career were the championships in 94/95. it is where the rubber hits the road in terms of where respect is ultimately earned in the nba

also, they were different centers in the middle on d. whereas hakeem was like a bear guarding the cubs in the cave the way he patroled the middle; david used his athleticism to help teammates out, block shots and rebound.

SsKSpurs21 09-17-2006 01:58 AM

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this is EXACTLY what rainer poet was talking about...

EVERYONE focuses on THAT ONE SERIES.

here is a little analogy:
robinson is to garnett : duncan is to hakeem

this meaning, robinson had a weak supporting cast and a weak coach. it was drob and sean elliot, and sean elliot wasnt even considered an allstar, while hakeem had ralph sampson. same way how duncan had drob.

iam not claiming that robinson was better than hakeem. thats not true...BUT what i am saying is THAT ONE series puts that perception that the entire career was that way, and that was simply not the case.

DRob has owned hakeem a few times but the reason why that one series is blown out of proportion is because DRob was the MVP and it was the playoffs.

Duncan has owned KG but KG has gotten his on duncan a few times...maybe not in the playoffs, but he has owned duncan a few times. same EXACT situation with robinson and hakeem.

the current duncan vs KG is the same exact battle between hakeem vs robinson.

basketballer4 09-17-2006 02:24 AM

The Dream.

TheFourthCenter 09-17-2006 07:51 AM

Revisionist History?
 
That series completely changed the two big men's career. At the time, Hakeem and D-Rob were considered to be equals. Living in Houston at the time, you wouldn't believe the amount of jostling between Roc and Spur fans. And when the 95 WCF hit, it was their version of "Ali versus Frasier."

From a personal standpoint, Hakeem has outplayed David. Please check out basketballreference.com and browse through some of their games from 92-95. You will see that David definitely had his times against Hakeem, (3/12/92, 3/12/94) but from that period, Hakeem some pretty serious games against him, too (12/17/92, 4/10/93, 4/25,93, 1/13/95). I saw that game on 1/13/95, it was eerily similar (actually better) to Hakeem's later dominance when the met. Dream played angry that day.

Anyway, I only listed the games where the other completely dominated the opposing player. From that period, Hakeem was better statistically, most of his stats were higher and to his credit, he held Robinson under 50%. But it can't always be about personal stats, because without a doubt, Robinson's team owned the Rockets. The Rockets had the most trouble with the Sonics, number two would have been the Spurs. Anyone telling you the Rocs had an easy time against the Spurs outside of the playoffs are completely full of...

So leading into the WCF, it was no longer about whether the Spurs owned the Rockets or whether Hakeem should have won the MVP, it was about two men staring down at each other for a legacy. If Hakeem won, he would have done to D-Rob, what Michael did to Drexler in 92. "You're a contemporary, but you're not on the same podium with me." If D-Rob won and went on to win the champsionship--sidenote: which the Spurs had a good chance because, of the four great centers, D-Rob's stats and team winning percentage was "better" against Shaq than Ewing and Hakeem--we would probably be talking about D-Rob as being part of the five great centers with Hakeem tossed to the Moses Malones and Patrick Ewings tier.

But as much as I want to stay impartial, it was the big dance. All the other stuff is nice to look at, but when it comes to the big dance and when everything is on the line, you got to win. Hakeem not only won but dominated. When you average ten and a half more points than your opponent, grab more rebounds than him (1.2), have more assists than him (2.3), block more shots than him (didn't list D-Rob's blocks but I remember it being in the mid 2 area, so at least 1.5) and have that many highlights of one man destroying another (which was later revisited when Shaq ate Mutumbo's lunch in the 01 Finals), it's pretty safe to say that history was accurately depicted what transpired between the two. Source:http://www.nba.com/rockets/history/H...-91094-34.html

Before I finish this long post (sorry, I follow the ish but like to read more than post), while it is true that Ralph Sampson was definitely one of the pillars of the team, it was Akeem who gave the Lakers trouble, the one running from the weak side to block Kareem then running the fast break like a guard or chasing after Magic and hassling him on some plays for a steal or two. If anyone could find and post Hakeem's 86 playoff stats between Rocs and Lakers that would be nice.

ClutchCityReturns 09-17-2006 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheFourthCenter
If anyone could find and post Hakeem's 86 playoff stats between Rocs and Lakers that would be nice.


I'd love to see them too, but all I could find were his overall 1986 playoff stats.

allball 09-17-2006 09:30 AM

Well as someone who followed the careers of both of these guys from college to retirement I can say despite the statistical similarities, there is a huge gap in both the domination and intimidation levels as it was even between Duncan and Robinson.

Although Robinson would appear to be a superior player to Duncan if you looked at stats, when you look at what matters and doesnt matter, Duncan is clearly the better player. He also has proven he could win a championship as the best player of his team. Robinson did not get that done.

Back to Hakeem. The fact on Hakeem is he was one of the most intimidating defenders in the history of all levels and styles of basketball. From his U of H days until he retired, Hakeem intimidated not only the post but also the perimeter on occasion. The steals in the backcourt that resulted in breakaway dunks are things of legend. There were many of them in the 86 playoffs. He was a relentless beast who never ever gave up on a play. Robinson was a very good defender with solid fundamentals but guys didnt fear his matchup IMO because he didnt cover the range of the floor that Hakeem did and he didn't have Hakeem's super quick reactionary abilities (what?). They have similar blocks per game numbers but that is very deceiving in comparing these two. Anyway there is no comparison of their overall intimidation IMO.

Offensively Robinson certainly put up the big numbers and he was very skilled as a center but Hakeem had so many shots in his repertoire that he could go to in the clutch. The fear of the dream shake was on par with Kareem's
sky hook. Robinson had a varied arsenal as well but when he got to the most important games he did not have the ultimate answers that produce champions and he did have talent around him equal to what Hakeem had. The Spurs were the favorites to win it all in 1995 and they had the best record in the league. To say this was about one series and one year is to not undertand the significance of it. After that series the impact could be seen on Robinson for years to come. Although he won ships with Duncan, he was reduced to role player when the games were on the line and Duncan took all the big shots.

RainierBeachPoet 09-17-2006 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SsKSpurs21
this is EXACTLY what rainer poet was talking about...

EVERYONE focuses on THAT ONE SERIES.

here is a little analogy:
robinson is to garnett : duncan is to hakeem

this meaning, robinson had a weak supporting cast and a weak coach. it was drob and sean elliot, and sean elliot wasnt even considered an allstar, while hakeem had ralph sampson. same way how duncan had drob.

iam not claiming that robinson was better than hakeem. thats not true...BUT what i am saying is THAT ONE series puts that perception that the entire career was that way, and that was simply not the case.

DRob has owned hakeem a few times but the reason why that one series is blown out of proportion is because DRob was the MVP and it was the playoffs.

Duncan has owned KG but KG has gotten his on duncan a few times...maybe not in the playoffs, but he has owned duncan a few times. same EXACT situation with robinson and hakeem.

the current duncan vs KG is the same exact battle between hakeem vs robinson.


sskspur21--- good parallel with duncan/garnett :cheers:

i am happy that you have given the real essence of the thread a different perspective

RainierBeachPoet 09-17-2006 11:36 AM

selective emphasis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheFourthCenter
That series completely changed the two big men's career. At the time, Hakeem and D-Rob were considered to be equals. Living in Houston at the time, you wouldn't believe the amount of jostling between Roc and Spur fans. And when the 95 WCF hit, it was their version of "Ali versus Frasier."

From a personal standpoint, Hakeem has outplayed David. Please check out basketballreference.com and browse through some of their games from 92-95. You will see that David definitely had his times against Hakeem, (3/12/92, 3/12/94) but from that period, Hakeem some pretty serious games against him, too (12/17/92, 4/10/93, 4/25,93, 1/13/95). I saw that game on 1/13/95, it was eerily similar (actually better) to Hakeem's later dominance when the met. Dream played angry that day.

Anyway, I only listed the games where the other completely dominated the opposing player. From that period, Hakeem was better statistically, most of his stats were higher and to his credit, he held Robinson under 50%. But it can't always be about personal stats, because without a doubt, Robinson's team owned the Rockets. The Rockets had the most trouble with the Sonics, number two would have been the Spurs. Anyone telling you the Rocs had an easy time against the Spurs outside of the playoffs are completely full of...

So leading into the WCF, it was no longer about whether the Spurs owned the Rockets or whether Hakeem should have won the MVP, it was about two men staring down at each other for a legacy. If Hakeem won, he would have done to D-Rob, what Michael did to Drexler in 92. "You're a contemporary, but you're not on the same podium with me." If D-Rob won and went on to win the champsionship--sidenote: which the Spurs had a good chance because, of the four great centers, D-Rob's stats and team winning percentage was "better" against Shaq than Ewing and Hakeem--we would probably be talking about D-Rob as being part of the five great centers with Hakeem tossed to the Moses Malones and Patrick Ewings tier.

But as much as I want to stay impartial, it was the big dance. All the other stuff is nice to look at, but when it comes to the big dance and when everything is on the line, you got to win. Hakeem not only won but dominated. When you average ten and a half more points than your opponent, grab more rebounds than him (1.2), have more assists than him (2.3), block more shots than him (didn't list D-Rob's blocks but I remember it being in the mid 2 area, so at least 1.5) and have that many highlights of one man destroying another (which was later revisited when Shaq ate Mutumbo's lunch in the 01 Finals), it's pretty safe to say that history was accurately depicted what transpired between the two. Source:http://www.nba.com/rockets/history/H...-91094-34.html

Before I finish this long post (sorry, I follow the ish but like to read more than post), while it is true that Ralph Sampson was definitely one of the pillars of the team, it was Akeem who gave the Lakers trouble, the one running from the weak side to block Kareem then running the fast break like a guard or chasing after Magic and hassling him on some plays for a steal or two. If anyone could find and post Hakeem's 86 playoff stats between Rocs and Lakers that would be nice.


4thctr---- thanks for doing some groundwork on the issue. i notice it is your first post and i hope it is not your last. the ish needs enlightenment often. :cheers:

i dont disagree with you in that the playoff series between them was a major turning point. that is what make hakeem so awesome in that he peaked at a later age than most and did very much outplay d. rob and the rockets win was the frosting

in other places here at ish, i would take hakeem over any other center on the defensive end; i am still pondering the centers on offense

my reason for starting this thread was to engage discussion as to how much the perception from that series has taken away from d.rob's total career in many people's opinion. it might be true with some of the younger guys here who never saw them for the course of their careers


i really liked both of them for different reasons. they both gave me years of nba enjoyment


i dont think this is revisionist history as much as selective emphasis.

a war parallel would be looking at one battle, even a battle as a turning point in a war, as defining the whole war.

there are many other factors that go into how things really are

i am glad that your post gives insight into the "battle" of that specific playoff series as a turning point in comparing the two great centers

*LAKERS_3_PETE* 09-17-2006 12:31 PM

Hakeem although listed as a 7'0'er was really only 6'10 1/2 but he was alot more physical and played as if he was alot taller than the Admiral who was definitely a tall timber@7'1. Hakeem had that killer combination that disguised him as a finess player from time to time with the footworks he had under the basket that will just about get him out of any defensive pressure applied on him. Hakeem was one of those players that the defenders couldn't lock up, and if you get physical w/him he'll make you pay for it with his ability to take you off w/a dribble drive cause he was a quick center w/a 1st step that will have the defender look like a deer caught in headlights. Hakeem wasn't all about the foot moves he was also a physical speciman that will back you down under the basket w/his physical strength and the meanstreak he had in him. Hakeem the dream olajuwon was also a defensive presence with his ability to block shots and getting every imaginable rebound that came his way, Hakeem imo was one of the top 5 centers to ever play this game ENOUGH SAID!:applause:


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