Which one would you rather pick to surround your superstar in order to win championships. Shortcut #1 or Option #2?
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Which one would you rather pick to surround your superstar in order to win championships. Shortcut #1 or Option #2?
I would take the most dominant force to ever play this game (that i have seen at least)...
I would take the guy that has 2 more rings, 2 more fmvps and 1 more mvp...
...and I would take the guy that alone produced overall better numbers than what Bosh/Wade combined produce today...
Wade and Bosh have a combined 3 rings (2 in one year) with one Finals MVP.
Shaq has 4 rings with three FMVPs. Should have been 5ive rings but we know what happened with one of them.
This is a pretty easy decision really.
Unless you are talking right now, than Wade and Bosh over a 41 year old Shaq. Hell, I'd take current Chris Kaman over a 41 year old Shaq.
[QUOTE=pauk]I would take the most dominant force to ever play this game (that i have seen at least)...
I would take the guy that has 2 more rings, 2 more fmvps and 1 more mvp...
...and I would take the guy that alone produced overall better numbers than what Bosh/Wade combined produce today...[/QUOTE]
:biggums:
You are not very good at math.
...and I would take the guy that alone impacted his team overall better than what Bosh/Wade combined impact their team today...
Shaq i would take over 99.99% of players in NBA history.... maybe even 100%....
No need to sweat it pauk, you can take shortcut #1, no one will judge you here...
Wade is my favorite player, but I'd take Shaq over anyone. Dude would make any team a contender right now.
[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]:biggums:
You are not very good at math.[/QUOTE]
...that or i did a typo, Shaq has 1 more ring than Wade/Bosh combined, 2 more than Wade, 3 more than Bosh... yay... whatever the case is he got more... now please dont try to derail the thread and get back to the topic, try make a valid basketball response....
[QUOTE=plowking]Wade is my favorite player, but I'd take Shaq over anyone. Dude would make any team a contender right now.[/QUOTE]
Would the current Bobcats be a contender?
Kemba - Henderson - MKG - Mullens - Shaq?
[QUOTE=Mr. Jabbar]No need to sweat it pauk, you can take shortcut #1, no one will judge you here...[/QUOTE]
Nah, i want more team success... you can go with "shortcut" #1...
The difference between these "shortcuts" is that one guy was the best player in the world / best player in his team / mvp / fmvp of that team, a guy who actually CARRIED that team to a championship......... and one guy was a sidekick, who got handed 3 rings on a silverplate.... so i would assume "shortcut" #2 would have been much more easier road...
Pretty funny that Bosh's TS% in the playoffs last year is greater than Shaq's peak TS% during any title run. Too bad Shaq never mastered FTs.
[QUOTE=pauk]...that or i did a typo, Shaq has 1 more ring than Wade/Bosh combined, 2 more than Wade, 3 more than Bosh... yay... whatever the case is he got more... now please dont try to derail the thread and get back to the topic, try make a valid basketball response....[/QUOTE]
Your math is off everywhere. Your entire comment was simply wrong. Bosh and Wade are good for 40 pts a game. Shaq never averaged more than 30 in the regular season. What kind of conversation do you expect to have if you simply make up facts?
[QUOTE=pauk]Nah, i want more team success... you can go with "shortcut" #1...
The difference between these "shortcuts" is that one guy was the best player in the world / best player in his team / mvp / fmvp of that team, a guy who actually CARRIED that team to a championship......... and one guy was a sidekick, who got handed 3 rings on a silverplate.... so i would assume "shortcut" #2 would have been much more easier road...[/QUOTE]
29.4 PPG/ 7.3 REB/ 6.1 ASS 56 TS%
101.8 DEF RAT 50-32
99.6 DEF RAT 55-27
98.9 DEF RAT 56-26
98.0 DEF RAT 58-24
15-1 RECORD
vs
30.3 PPG/9.7 REB/5.6 58 TS%
:confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=pauk]Nah, i want more team success... you can go with "shortcut" #1...
The difference between these "shortcuts" is that one guy was the best player in the world / best player in his team / mvp / fmvp of that team, a guy who actually CARRIED that team to a championship......... and one guy was a sidekick, who got handed 3 rings on a silverplate.... so i would assume "shortcut" #2 would have been much more easier road...[/QUOTE]
So you think its harder to hack a shaq than to eliminate the combined threat Wade AND bosh pose?
[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]Your math is off everywhere. Your entire comment was simply wrong. Bosh and Wade are good for 40 pts a game. Shaq never averaged more than 30 in the regular season. What kind of conversation do you expect to have if you simply make up facts?[/QUOTE]
Bosh & Wade in their 1 playoff championship run together averaged:
36 ppg
13 rpg
Shaq in one of his playoff championship runs averaged alone:
31 ppg
15 rpg
Shot way more efficiently...
Obviously, stats is not the entire story... Shaq was simply more impactful/dominant on both ends than Wade/Bosh are today combined, did you ever see prime Shaq play? Thats the "facts i make up"...
[QUOTE=pauk]Bosh & Wade in their 1 playoff championship run together averaged:
36 ppg
13 rpg
Shaq in one of his playoff championship runs averaged alone:
31 ppg
15 rpg
Shot way more efficiently & was simply more impactful/dominant on both ends....
Thats what i mean...[/QUOTE]
It wasn't way more efficiently. You are just ignoring FTs. :confusedshrug:
Shaq's playoff 2010 TS% .556
Bosh's playoff 2012 TS% .574, Wade's .526.. avg= .550
How is this a question? You take Shaq. Can you imagine prime Shaq and prime LeBron together? :eek:
G: Chalmers
G: Allen
F: Battier
F: LeBron
C: Shaq
:bowdown:
[QUOTE=pauk]Bosh & Wade in their 1 playoff championship run together averaged:
36 ppg
13 rpg
Shaq in one of his playoff championship runs averaged alone:
31 ppg
15 rpg
Shot way more efficiently...
Obviously, stats is not the entire story... Shaq was simply more impactful/dominant on both ends than Wade/Bosh are today combined, did you ever see prime Shaq play? Thats the "facts i make up"...[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/NjrwffZ.jpg[/IMG]
Looks like pauk is warming up to write his next 1,500 word essay.
[QUOTE=Myth]How is this a question? You take Shaq. Can you imagine prime Shaq and prime LeBron together? :eek:
G: Chalmers
G: Allen
F: Battier
F: LeBron
C: Shaq
:bowdown:[/QUOTE]
No kidding.
Versus
G: Fisher
G: Wade
F: Bryant
F: Bosh
C: Horry
or
G: Wade
G: Bryant
F: Fox
F: Bosh
C: Horry
[QUOTE=Myth]How is this a question? You take Shaq. Can you imagine prime Shaq and prime LeBron together? :eek:
G: Chalmers
G: Allen
F: Battier
F: LeBron
C: Shaq
:bowdown:[/QUOTE]
this.
[QUOTE=Myth]How is this a question? You take Shaq. Can you imagine prime Shaq and prime LeBron together? :eek:
G: Chalmers
G: Allen
F: Battier
F: LeBron
C: Shaq
:bowdown:[/QUOTE]
Are we supposed to assume that by choosing Shaq you also get the best backup SG in the league too?
Lebron at 28 has soon 4 MVPs, 2 FMVPs, 2 Championships
Kobe at 28 had 0 MVPs, 0 FMVPs, 3 Championships
Kobe is a top 10 great and what he is doing now is fantastic for his age (at least individually)... but Lebron is a better player NOW and is a better player than Kobe was at Lebrons current age.... accept it and stop whining...
Enough with these Kobe vs Lebron threads already, what kindof threat does Lebron pose to you Kobe-stans anyways considering your obligatory hate for him? You do agree Lebron is better right now... or? Whats the problem? Stop acting like children... "Booohoo Lebron shortcut this, Kobe is teh goat!!"2"
[QUOTE=pauk]Lebron at 28 has soon 4 MVPs, 2 FMVPs, 2 Championships
Kobe at 28 had 0 MVPs, 0 FMVPs, 3 Championships
Kobe is a top 10 great and what he is doing now is fantastic for his age (at least individually)... but Lebron is a better player NOW and is a better player than Kobe was at Lebrons current age.... accept it and stop whining...[/QUOTE]
What does Kobe have to do with a Wade/Bosh vs Shaq comparison? Lebron and Kobe are not even the topic. :biggums:
[QUOTE=pauk]Lebron at 28 has soon 4 MVPs, 2 FMVPs, 2 Championships
Kobe at 28 had 0 MVPs, 0 FMVPs, 3 Championships
Kobe is a top 10 great and what he is doing now is fantastic for his age (at least individually)... but Lebron is a better player NOW and is a better player than Kobe was at Lebrons current age.... accept it and stop whining...
Enough with these Kobe vs Lebron threads already, what kindof threat does Lebron pose to you Kobe-stans anyways considering your obligatory hate for him? You do agree Lebron is better right now... or? Whats the problem? Stop acting like children... "Booohoo Lebron shortcut this, Kobe is teh goat!!"2"[/QUOTE]
the thing is.... most kobe stans still think current kobe is playing better than lebron.
[QUOTE=Myth]How is this a question? You take Shaq. Can you imagine prime Shaq and prime LeBron together? :eek:
G: Chalmers
G: Allen
F: Battier
F: LeBron
C: Shaq
:bowdown:[/QUOTE]
Not that its a bad team but I wouldn't change Wade and Bosh for Shaq in that rotation. This team is all about transition speed plus you don't need the other team hack-a-shakin' oneal to 50%ft and stagnate the offensive flow and ball movement they so much take pride in.
[QUOTE=Mr. Jabbar]Not that its a bad team but I wouldn't change Wade and Bosh for Shaq in that rotation. This team is all about transition speed plus you don't need the other team hack-a-shakin' oneal to 50%ft and stagnate the offensive flow and ball movement they so much take pride in.[/QUOTE]
i think youre lebron obsession is worse than pauk's.
[COLOR="White"]kobe sucks[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=qrich]No kidding.
Versus
G: Fisher
G: Wade
F: Bryant
F: Bosh
C: Horry
or
G: Wade
G: Bryant
F: Fox
F: Bosh
C: Horry[/QUOTE]
That's not the question... this is..
PG
SG Wade
SF
PF Bosh
C
PG
SG
SF
PF
C Shaq
:confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=Mr. Jabbar]Not that its a bad team but I wouldn't change Wade and Bosh for Shaq in that rotation. This team is all about transition speed plus you don't need the other team hack-a-shakin' oneal to 50%ft and stagnate the offensive flow and ball movement they so much take pride in.[/QUOTE]
For Shaq, I would take that chance. Get a 4 man break led by LeBron, and if it doesn't work, pull back, let Shaq set up and then make a 2 man game of LeBron and Shaq with Allen in 1 corner and Battier in the other, with Chalmers floating around.
[QUOTE=pauk]Lebron at 28 has soon 4 MVPs, 2 FMVPs, [B]2 Championships[/B]
Kobe at 28 had 0 MVPs, 0 FMVPs, 3 Championships
Kobe is a top 10 great and what he is doing now is fantastic for his age (at least individually)... but Lebron is a better player NOW and is a better player than Kobe was at Lebrons current age.... accept it and stop whining...
Enough with these Kobe vs Lebron threads already, what kindof threat does Lebron pose to you Kobe-stans anyways considering your obligatory hate for him? You do agree Lebron is better right now... or? Whats the problem? Stop acting like children... "Booohoo Lebron shortcut this, Kobe is teh goat!!"2"[/QUOTE]
???
Shaq
[QUOTE=Myth]For Shaq, I would take that chance. Get a 4 man break led by LeBron, and if it doesn't work, pull back, let Shaq set up and then make a 2 man game of LeBron and Shaq with Allen in 1 corner and Battier in the other, with Chalmers floating around.[/QUOTE]
Basically. How often do teams have all five players on the break in most situations? Clippers sure as hell don't.
[QUOTE=Myth]For Shaq, I would take that chance. Get a 4 man break led by LeBron, and if it doesn't work, pull back, let Shaq set up and then make a 2 man game of LeBron and Shaq with Allen in 1 corner and Battier in the other, with Chalmers floating around.[/QUOTE]
Sounds pretty sweet. It's too bad Shaq and Lebron were never teammates so we could see this perfect symmetry play out.
[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]That's not the question... this is..
PG
SG Wade
SF
PF Bosh
C
PG
SG
SF
PF
C Shaq
:confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
Exactly.
[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]Sounds pretty sweet. It's too bad Shaq and Lebron were never teammates so we could see this perfect symmetry play out.[/QUOTE]
Huge difference between Lakers era Shaq and Cavs Shaq. I can't believe you thought that was even worth mentioning.
[QUOTE=Mr. Jabbar]Exactly.[/QUOTE]
Still prime (peak) Shaq.
Not sure why Lebron fans are expecting to keep the superior Heat bench as well. You don't take Shaq and keep the Heat 3 pters. You have to take Shaq and those others scrubs in yellow not named Kobe. :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=elementally morale]Still prime (peak) Shaq.[/QUOTE]
I see Prime shaq as the superior player of the 3, put he can potentially give you 48 mpg, while Bosh + Wade can give you 96. I don't see the gap in quality that can make up for that.
PG Wade
SG Allen
SF Kobe
PF Battier
C Bosh
vs
PG Fisher
SG Fox
SF Lebron
PF Horry
C Shaq
:confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]PG Wade
SG Allen
SF Kobe
PF Battier
C Bosh
:confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
That team gets absolutely raped on the glass.
[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]That team gets absolutely raped on the glass.[/QUOTE]
That team can also shoot from everywhere they please in the 5 positions, sick