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If the israeli league is one of the best ,which i totally disagree with,tell me how many teams have won the league in the last 30 years other than maccabi?1 maybe? was it Hapoel once.I am sorry but a league to be good has to be competitive,like the italian or the spanish where there are numerous teams every year that can win the league.The israeli is not.Maccabi are certainly one of the strongest teams in europe(or rather that play in europe!).They win the league every year almost without contest.Hapoel jerusalem is a good side.How many matches,league matches that is, do maccabi lose every year? 1 ? if that?
So as much as I think that Maccabi is a great side the israeli league is weak.Very weak.
[QUOTE=ABAZACKSHOOLA]Maccabi Tel Aviv has won about 37 titles and almost the same amount of Cups.
Hapoel Galil Elyon has one Championship title from the 1992/1993 season and 2 Israeli State Cups,and the other ****ing team to win a title was Hapoel ********* that won 5 Championships, who is currently playing in the 3rd division and collapsing.
And if you want to know how strong the league is so you better check out how many NBA Scouts are there in the Stadium (mainly of the Boston Celtics and the Seatle SuperSonics) who watch after future players and take a look at this league they do a lot of times, and if you didn't know there are more than a 1,000 players with a NBA resome that have played in Israel, in avrage year there are about 8 players with a NBA playtime who is playing in the league, and most of the American players or the other forigen players are ones who have done something in College, the minor leagues (CBA, USBL and NBADL etc.) or have done something in some European/other wheres in the world like taking championships winning awards and taking MVP and Cups titles. SO WHAT DO YOU SAY NOW, *****?!!![/QUOTE]
I still say its a weak league.I am merely stating it from a competitive point of view.Its not competitive very rarely do maccabi lose a game.they have won all the leagues except one in the last few decades.The greek,italian ,spanish are the most competitive leagues.For a league to be strong there has to be several candidates not just one.
So as much as I appreciate how important basketball is in israel and what a huge club maccabi is,the league is not competitive therefore it is not one of the strongest.I would put the Serbian,croatian,russian,lithuanian,french and the big three already mentioned above the israeli.I would put the israeli league on a par with the slovenian,great traditional basketball nation with one dominant team.Look at how many slovenians play in the NBA or in big clubs in Europe.Nachbar,Nesterovic,Brezec,Udrih,etc in the NBA and Lakovic,Smodis and Slokar in big clubs in europe for example.Yet you wouldn't say the slovenian league was one of the strongest.
Plus I only disagreed with you,I never insulted you so hold ur horses with your verbal mate.have a bit more education.
since when is israel the best league in europe?? since when is israel in europe?? off the top of my head i could say, obviously euroleague, but out of national leagues, SPAIN, italy, and greece. countries that have a few good teams but not so good leagues would be lithuania and france. russia and turkey have one or two good teams but neither is in europe. but the best national league outside of the nba is no question spain. nobody can compete with that even some spanish teams could compete with american ones.
I think there is no discussion about Israel's league not being one of the top leagues in Europe. A league where the same team has won the title about 28 times in 30 years seems to be not very competitive (as a whole).
My last word and I will stop arguing about this thing. You used the chances to win the Euroleague and ULEB Cup as a rating factor. I will use another silly factor, the number of teams in competition: two to four in almost every top league (Spain, Italy, Russia, Greece); one in the medium to low level leagues (Germany, for instance and, oh, Israel).
So you want predictions, here they are, very easy: Maccabi will win the league, and the Cup, with some chances for Hapoel Jerusalem to win the latter (everything can happen in one game).
you asked people to answer your question. the answer is maccabi for everything. thats the only team in israel thats good.
you wanna talk about national teams?? how about the bad league of lithuania? WE are the number one country in european titles out of existing countries. in i believe about 20 years WE have done more than anyone basketball wise. why dont you follow the lithuanian league?? you dont care about it right? it has twice as much euroleague teams as israel. then it is twice as competitive because it is 2 teams fighting for the title, not 1 like in israel. how about the horrible league of germany? just about any country that participated in the euro tournament is better than israel. want proof?
[URL="http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/even/rank/p/rankMen.html"]http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/even/rank/p/rankMen.html[/URL]
the only countries that they are better is poland (SURPRISE!!) and Latvia who would kill them if they played. and portugal who God knows how they made it this far.
back to club talk. only 6 guys are from israel on maccabi. 3 of them are good. the only reason they won back to back euroleagues is because of Jasikevicius who is from a terrible league from a country called Lithuania, as you mentioned that league is bad.
as berraco said there is [B][U]1[/U][/B] israeli team in the euroleague. the countries with worse leagues have more or as many :
Lithuania 2 (Zalgiris Kaunas, Lietuvos Rytas)
Greece 3 (Panathanaikos, Olympiakos, Aris)
Spain 4 (Barcelona, Real Madrid, Tau Ceramica, Unicaja)
Italy 4 (Virtus Bologna, Montepaschi, Lottomatica Roma, Armani Jeans Milano)
Russia 1 (CSKA Moscow)
France 2 (Roanne, Le Mans)
Serbia 1 (Partizan)
Croatia 1 (Cibona)
Slovenia 1 (Olimpia)
Poland 1 (Prokom Trefl)
Germany 1 (Brose Basket)
Turkey 2 (Efes Pilsen, Ulker)
i think that should tell you that there are good leagues in europe. by this i could say there are 6 leagues with more competition because they have more teams in the euroleague. 6 other leagues are just as competitive because they have the same amount. i know that these 6 isnt true, but the way you think it should make sense then.
nobody is denying maccabi their rich and have good players. but is there really competition in israel?? do you honestly think anyone has a chance?? this is like one of the leagues with one team in the euroleague. its obvious who will win it. why make a big deal about it?? we all know its the teams in the euroleague that have the best chance to win their national leagues. do you have anymore questions? i think everyone can deny that israel is NOT the best in europe. no way. NO WAY.
First the first europeans to beat an NBA team i believe was the Soviet Union who beat The dominique Wilkins lead Hawks.The Soviet Union team then was plagued by Lithuanians,the total stars in that team.First european club to beat an nba team was Barca I think against the sixers.When are israelis going to realiase that they are not europeans,they play in europe but they are not europeans!3 spanish teams have beaten NBA teams,there is no way that 3 different israeli clubs would compete against NBA teams,reinforcing the strength in depth of the spanish league and the opposite about the israeli league.Once again this forum is at an end when you start talking about european leagues as the Israeli one is an asian league.
how right is la bomba?? 200%. as a result you cannot reply to my messages or his. i think your out of words. there isnt much else to discuss because you are completely in a corner. what i mean is that you are trapped and have to admit that 1. stop pretending that israel is in europe 2. stop pretending that the league is good 3. do i need any more reasons?
hahaha your cool son. you sure know how to speak english. you cant say a thing that makes sense. like i said your out of words. so glue your dick back on and start talking about basketball and watch the euroleague, the [B]EURO[/B]league.
[QUOTE=ABAZACKSHOOLA]Shut the **** up you louzy European WIJA you suck ***** all night long, and then you shout: "Oh my ****ing lithunia, my ****ing lithunia, Simas Jasitis Sharas you gays come over here and **** me", you gay you louzy ******* you son of a ***** your mom is my main ***** and I'm her PIMP you gay hootcie that licks *****, you working as a slut over the hoods and have sex for money like those on Streetblowjobs you gay, and you mom is coming over to place tonight, so is it fine with you??!! YOU KNOW WHAT??!! I DON'T CARE BECAUSE I'LL **** YOUR MOM UNTILL SHE WILL GET OUT OF FUEL, *****!!!![/QUOTE]
People who can't argue properly normally resort to this trash talk when they run out of excuses.
No one has insulted you,we just had a discussion in which we didn't agree,Berraco,simasu and myself put our points through and you had no answer other than to insult and throw your toys out of the pram.Anyway I read your news and it re-inforces my point if Elton Brown(never heard of him)is waived by a side like the lakers who aren't the deepest,chooses to play for the ndbl instead of israel it shows how poor it is.I bet he would have jumped at the chance to play for a mid table spanish team.Look at ACB.com and check the highlights,great games all very competitive,as I am sure the israeli is ,whenever Maccabi Tel Aviv aren't involved.
[QUOTE=ABAZACKSHOOLA]What's the matter simas, you are afraid to admit that your country has a lil weak league, come on' we all know that all the european leagues are basicly based on the avrages of the American players playing in it and all the team's are using their native players to waive towells on the bench, and do you think I don't know how do you make the American players to come over to your louzy european leagues, you are offering players from the NBDL or a College graduators a contract that seems to them like alot of money because they have never play for money, before.
And you'll better check out and see that all of the latest famous and leading players in the Euroleague have played in Israel (and there ar many like these) and you know what I'll give you a few examples: Marcus Goree (of CSKA Mosscow), Rimas Kakunas (Siena), Horace Jenkins (Klememio Bolunga) and should I go on (I think you got the picture).
You think that Elton Brown is decide to stay in the NBDL just because you think that he won't get the same money in Israel, so think again, ass-hole, he got two offers in the 300,000 $ Dollars range but decided to ditch them because he rather keep playing in the United States than going to play in Europe and start a trip around the world, and in this league he could get an NBA stint contracts and that's his main goal.
And about your "dear" ACB, you better check out their players history (espacialy the American players of this league) and you'll find Quincy Lewis who is playing in Bilbao and a few other guys with a playing time over Israel in their past, in the Itallian Seria A this year they have a lot of players who played in Israel even last year.
Should I remind you how many players in the NBA have played in Israel: Roger Mason Jr. of the Washington Wizards have played in Jerusalem before he returned to the NBA, Anthony Parker of the Toronto Raptors that played in Maccabi Tel Aviv and was the best player in Europe (gee... You are weak, his avrages in the Israeli league were slightly lower than those he have done in Europe), Maceo Baston who also played in Maccabi Tel Aviv and currently plays in Toronto Raptors, and Ryan Bown of the New Orleans Hornets who played last year in Ironi Nahariya.
And if we are already speaking of money, you need to know that the wages in the Spainish top league is between 300,000 - 800,000 Dollars per a year according to this league's rules, while in Israel a young players are earning 30,000 $ and the most famous and notebale players (like the gay Nickola Vujicic) are earning 1,700,000 $ per a year (a contact which is usually in Russia), and in the NBDL the wage is between 12,000 and some earns 18,000 and the most notable players are earning 24,000 Dollars per a year.
NOW YOU GOT ****ED UP WIJAS, SO YOU BETTER SHUT UP, LOUZY EUROPEANS AND EUROPE LOVERS!!!:D[/QUOTE]
The fact that this brown got offered the same money in israel and yet didn't go still reinforces more the lack of attraction the league offers.Simasu can defend himself no doubt,however,i'd like to point out Lietuvos 92 macabbi tel aviv 74.
Top scorer Jomantas(not average american but lithuanian)Top rebounder,Petravicius(again Lituanian I hasten to guess)So no towel waving from them.Maybe from macabbi yes as the two israeli stars halperin and Eliyahu scored a dizzying 4 points between them.. I don't know why you go on about money,no one is saying that the israeli league is poor financially,that doesn't mean its competitive or a good league.
they don't get paid much there do they? :S
[QUOTE=ABAZACKSHOOLA]:D There are a lot of leagues in Europe that have players who played in Israel as their leading players like the: Russian league, the Turkish League and the Ukraine basketball league so you simasu gay better shut up before you will reply here.
[B][U]Transitions and Results:[/U][/B]
*[B]Marcus Slaughter[/B] have singed with [B]Hapoel Jerusalem[/B] for a one year contact in which he will earn 430,000 $ and another season/year option, his contract secured him to play in the Pre-Seasion next year and to pay the team an amount of money to buy-out his next year contract if he will be sign with an NBA team.
Slaughter, is a San Diego College graduted from 2006, who played last year in Karshiaka of the Turkish primer league and avraged 13.3 ppg 10.2 rpg and 2.3 blocks per a game, he also played in the Turkish All-Star game and was Named to the 2nd All-Turkish league team (he achived all of those things on his first year as a professional player), earlier this summer he decided to try and enter the NBA, and recently singed a 2 years contract with the Miami Heat, who waived him this Monday.
* [B]Maccabi Tel Aviv [/B]- Latvious Ritas (Lithunia) 92 - 74 at Lithunia, during the 2nd game/match of the Euroleague, Maccabi Tel Aviv has a current rotation problems because there are really alot of good players there that don't know how to play together or to fit into this situation in which there are alot of great players in the many positions in the stock, at the Lithunia side the American Guard Price have really done a good job with his quickness in order to beat the game (that's just as wierd as Olympiacos have lost on Slovenia to Lublijana 87-78).
[B]And remember that this is a thread about the Israeli League, so discuss and talk about it without comparing it to another European leagues.[/B][/QUOTE]You obviously have delusions of grandeur about the israeli league which no one has said is ****,just that it has no depth therefore its not competitive and therefore isn't a good league.So I am not going to throw anymore more proof in your face.About the lietuvos rytas Maccabi game,I know basketball enough to know one game means nothing,but my emphasis was that you said lituanian players were bailed out by average americans.Arturas Jomantas was the star player with marijonas peratvicius who didn't have the standout game he had last week!thats all.However in maccabi the opposite can be said,Vujcic as usual was the best,Halperin and eliyahu as usual outside israel were invisible!Is Kattash the coach now?
i got you know. YOU will never admit that israel is **** in the basketball world. EVEN MACCABI LOST to who?? to LIETUVOS RYTAS? hahahaha. how embarrased are you to lose to the SECOND team in Lithuania??? now your gonna blame rotation you ****ing ******? im not gonna post **** here no more, Lietuvos Rytas victory speaks for itself. and if your gonna go around talking who played in israel or who plays where from israel, then look up how many lithuanians play around the world. and why don't you look up who was the leader of maccabi when they won the euroleague twice. Oh and the man with the same name as me, Simas Jasaits. And you mentioned Kaukenas earlier who is also Lithuanian. Should i keep on going? i think you can research yourself. i think i proved my point, so good luck israel, try to become europeans and try TRY to beat Lietuvos Rytas next time. I'm not even gonna mention israel to catch up to ACB and the level that is there. Peace
[QUOTE=ABAZACKSHOOLA]Yes, Oded Katash is the head coach of the team, but he lost only because he dosen't keeping a soild game plannings such as: how to use Marcus Fizer who is Way-More better than Vujcic and the rest of the big men playing in Europe (let's don't forget what the man have done in his entire basketball carear), he don't seem to know how to use Terrence Morris with Fizer on the court on the same time, but you will see he will sucssessfuly will fix it and achived what he wants to do, and I want to tell you that Vujcic was nothing in this game, Will Bynom was best of Maccabi players, he done things that the Lithunain team could'nt stop or compete with, his skills of dunks and quick un-planned moves are suprising and have suprised the other team all night long.
And about the whole-Elton Brown thing, you should know that he dose'nt wants to play elsewhere outsied the United States so it's not an "Image Problems", that caused him to skip the options to play in the Israeli League but the desire to get a contract in the NBA through basing himself as a leading player and gain more experience in the NBDL (in this case), and you can find an NBA and an NBADL player who won the NBDL Championship last year/season who came all the way to Israel and signed with Ironi Ramat Gan, Jerome Beasley, you know why did he done it because his goal unlike the one of Brown is to earn and get more money because he sees it as a business, so how can you explain it (or call it an "image problems" of the league in one of your posts).
And if you really want to see that the league is cometetive (with or without Maccabi Tel Aviv in it) you should keep watching the game results, and then you'll see for yourself, and still you and your louzy ****ing friends opened a thread about the Phillipinese Basketball league and think it to be "good" and competitive more than the rest of the leagues out side the NBA and the American Basketball Leagues.[/QUOTE]
i cannot find the phrase "image problems " in any of my posts.I have nothing to do with any post about the phillipine league,I don't anything about that league so I am in no position to comment.Vujicic is maccabi's best player by far!he reads the game far better than any point guard.Fizer?mm you said all the great players in europe played in israel first,where did Fizer play last year I wonder??mid table ACB team.
cheers.
[QUOTE=ABAZACKSHOOLA]You did'nt said it clearly, but you (have) referd to it with your own words, allthough you used other words, that is what you mean in your last post.
And if you want to talk about Marcus Fizer, go on and open a thread about him, but you should know that as far as I know he is one of the best players playing out of the NBA today.
And about your will and issue to add and compare the ACB league during the entire thread, you should remember that I have asked you to only refere/discuss and talk about the Israeli League and no-other league in the world exept the Israeli League.[/QUOTE]
Never said Fizer wasn't good,you are also now saying that what you said I said was only what you think I said.mm confusing.Well my discussion about the league ends here,I predict maccabi to win the double.
Thanks for the discussion.
DArn it! ashkeon just lost to afullla cause of the a-hole
refs/:banghead:
arg!!!
any way if we talk about the pkayers who played here and now playing in a strong team you might remindL
KELLY MC'CARTY
ARIEL MC'DONALD
SARONS JASKIVICIUS(OR JUST SARAS)
NDUDI EBI-whos currently play is ramat-gan
and plenty more!:party:
[QUOTE=ABAZACKSHOOLA]If the Israeli League is "not-so good" as you say, so how can it be that all the French 1st division's teams are signing all the waived players from Israel, explain that, you latin ass-hole!!!!
[B][U]The latest news from Israel:[/U][/B]
*[B]Or Eithan[/B], who left BC Chole from the Franch division 1 (by his request), have returned to Israel and currently his agents are checking offers from Europe for him, while in Israel he is wanted by [B]Hapoel Galil Elyon [/B]allthough his promise in the radio last year that if he will leave France and will play in Israel, he will have to do it with his hometown team, [B]Hapoel Gilboa/Afula [/B]who is checking the option to sign him, as well.
*[B]Hapoel Galil Elyon[/B] is still have to sign a forigener Center, and it's roster is still not-closed because of the fact that all the American players that they have signed in the summer have been injured or didn't get along with the coach.
*[B]Hapoel Holon [/B]is still looking after an American Center, as they have done all summer looking for a center and even set terms with Estaban Batista (who decided to ditch them in the last moment) and even convinced Malvin Ely to agree their terms and come play in Israel if he won't be signed with an NBA team (this have happen), they are currently in a hunt for one of the NBA Preseason's centers.
[B][U]*Two Israeli leading clubs will play tonight in the Uleb Cup:[/U][/B]
[B]Hapoel Galil Elyon[/B] - Gomadan (Austria -who is coached by an Israeli coach).
[B]Hapoel Jerusalem[/B] -Shtrasburg (France - that have Israeli player in it and an American player that played in Israel).
*[B]Maccabi Tel Aviv:[/B] Nickola Vujcic is out for 4-6 weeks due to an injuree, and Maccabi Tel Aviv will have to face off Efes Pilsen of the Israeli-American coach David Blatt (who coach Maccabi Tel Aviv in the past, and led the Russian National Team to win the EuroBasket 2007 title earlier this summer) in the Euroleague close match.[/QUOTE]
First of all I never insulted you.So why do you have to insult me,secondly what makes you think i am latin,thirdly did i ever mention the french league as a strong league?You guys are always on the defensive never able to take criticism its the same in politics , anybody has an argument against israeli apartheid! and straight away instead of giving their side of their argument in a civilized educated manner they come out accussing people and insulting.You are no use mate.You are a microcosm of your country's attitude.
I hate mixing politics and sports but the striking similarity in the defensive attitude is too great to ignore.I am an educated person and I still won't insult you even though you have done nothing but.You won't be hearing from me.this is a forum for people who love basketball to discuss,agree or disagree it doesn't matter not for uneducated folk to come out and insult.bye.
[QUOTE=ABAZACKSHOOLA]Just that you'll know: I'm American, you ***** wija, and I have opened this thread for discussion between the members and not as a political issue as you think so and severe, and here in the States all the people know Israel well enough so they don't have to listen to what you said.
[B][U]And now for yesterday's results and signings:[/U][/B]
[B][U]Uleb Cup's first match:[/U][/B]
*[B]Hapoel Galil Elyon -Suans Gomadan[/B]: 74 - 79 (at Galil, the Galil kept on a close game almost all game long agaist the American players of the Austrian Champion, who used them as their "ultimatesand main players" while their local players have been more like a roll-players, before they have missed a wining play and also because they still missing a Center).
*[B]Hapoel Jerusalem - Starsburg:[/B] 74-73 (at Jerusalem, the French team have kept on a close game before the Israeli team, that like them are struggling in their local league, have start to blast them off and won the close game).
*[B]Or Eithan[/B] have signed with Hapoel Galil Elyon, just before of the European game.[/QUOTE]In discussions their are disagreements you don't take kindly to any disagreement.So don't discuss then.As I see u still keep insulting me as i assume the stars are for a censored word as for wija I don't have a scooby what it means mate!
Ashkelon's coach oder berkowitz has left his job after onlly 3 games. His assistant will replace him next game.
Dror Ozeri who were the the ast.couch 2 years ago might take the lead
:confusedshrug:
Israeli basketball is addictive and it's the most physical style of basketball to watch. The BSL isn't competitive to the nba, ACB or Greece but it's one the better second tier leagues and it's got a lot of players with the right coaching could make the transition to the best leagues. The BSL could help themselves if Hapoel Jerusalem would play in the euroleague and Ironi Naharyia with Bnei Hasharon would play in the ULEB.
[QUOTE=b.jerk]Israeli basketball is addictive and it's the most physical style of basketball to watch. The BSL isn't competitive to the nba, ACB or Greece but it's one the better second tier leagues and it's got a lot of players with the right coaching could make the transition to the best leagues. The BSL could help themselves if Hapoel Jerusalem would play in the euroleague and Ironi Naharyia with Bnei Hasharon would play in the ULEB.[/QUOTAt last someone in this forum with a more accurate description of the israeli league.
About Maccabi, what's with Omri Casspi he's playing a lot worse than he did last year is something like a growth spurt effecting his game.
What do you think about the weird statements Greg Popovich made about Omri Casspi. I don't think Casspi has played well enough to earn Greg Popovich's approval but Greg Popovich is smarter than his peers.
[QUOTE=ABAZACKSHOOLA]How can you say it about this league, the Israeli league is one of the greatest leagues in the world, look at Better-Basketball.com advertise (they are using a pictures and screenshots of a game of Maccabi Tel Aviv against Hapoel Jerusalem), look at the amount of players with an Israeli record playing in the NBA, the league's level and the ammount of players in the highest levels that are playing or played in the past in this league, unless how can you explain that a team like Ashkelon have signed most of the NBA free-agents last year, or the fact that ESPN is still trying to buy the rights to broadcast the Israeli League in the USA, or the fact that Lee Nailon have ditched the upcoming scouts of CSKA Mosscow, Dynamo Mosscow and Tau Vitoria last year because he prefered to play in Israel and almost set his terms with Hapoel Holon this summer or the fact that this league is much more tited to the NBA than any league there is (Maccabi Tel Aviv and Hapoel Jerusalem having a summer contact with the NBA for an exebinhition games) how teams bringing players such as Dion Glover, Tang Hamilton or even AJ Guyton (that you ahve speaked of lately) for tests while those guys are still looking after a contract in the NBA.
the Spainish league is no better, it has three teams in it with a 18 million Dollars budget (THAT ARE SUPPORTED BY A LARGE GOVERMENOTOAL BANKS) while some of the lower side of the league have barely a 1.5 million Dollars budget (while in Israel there are six teams with this kind of budget) a thing that makes this league into a totall-not-compatitive league (look in the results: a high scores and gaps in the games of the leading team versus the mid-low level teams), in the Greek league there are 2 teams that are hold by billionaire families that "using their Basketball teams as a hobby" (Olympiacos and Panathinaikos) and one team based on comapanies as sponssers (Aris Theseloniki) while the rest of the league stinks and have barely a budget in the size of Ironi Ramat Gan or Elitzur Ashkelon, and not to mention the high frequently of players getting contracts and released in the Greek League, and the Italian league is based on sponsers that can collapse the teams if they decided to and they're almost never calming down with their "waiving and signing" players movment.
If you wanna track the games results up enter this link: [URL="http://www.flashscore.com/basketball/israel/"]http://www.flashscore.com/basketball/israel/[/URL]
[B][U]Uleb Cup game 4 results:[/U][/B]
[B]*Hapoel Galil Elyon - Zeleznik:[/B] 65-93 (at Montenegro).
[B]*Hapoel Jerusalem -Zadar:[/B] 84 -83 (at Jerusalem, Marcus Slaghter have scored from the line 0.4 seconds to the end).
[B][U]A "stucked" match result:[/U][/B]
* Hapoel Afula/Gilboa - Hapoel Holon: 80-76 (at Holon).
[B][U]FIBA Eurocup 2nd early round:[/U][/B]
[B]* Ironi Nahariya - Barrons Riga:[/B] 83 -80 (at Nahariya, the Israeli team kicked their ass but won't take part in the EuroCup thanks to FIBA's rules to beat your oppenenet by a higher score than the gap).
[U][B]Euroleague game 5 result:[/B][/U]
*[B]Maccabi Tel Aviv - Aramani Jeans Millano: [/B]82 -81 (at Millano, Terence Morris have made a winning basket move just seconds to the finish, and secured Maccabi Tel Aviv's first victory in Europe this season).
[B][U]Latest Rummors:[/U][/B]
*Jamie Arnold was announced ULEB Cup MVP for the 2nd week in a row.
*Ramel Curry is being watched by servel teams from Italy, those teams have already asked Hapoel Jerusalem for a buy-out of the Gaurd that was the 3rd leading scorer in the Italian league.[/QUOTE]
You go on about budgets but then say hapoel jerusalem didn't enter the euroleague because of the budget.Nevermind its not about the money,I know there is money in the israeli league and also rate the league and its national squad always have.What I have been saying is that it is not as competitive because maccabi win all the time.
As for comparing it with acb:
ULEB.
Spanish teams
DKV Joventut 6 and 0
Akasvayu Girona 5 and 1
Pamesa valencia 5 and 1
gran canaria 4 and 2
israeli teams
Elan Chalon 2 and 4
Galil elyon 1 and 5
hapoel jerusalem 3 and 3
Euroleague
spanish teams
AXA Barcelona 6 and 2
real madrid 6 and 2
Unicaja 6 and 2
Tau 5 and 3
israeli team
maccabi 6 and 2
The same history as always.Maccabi strong the rest not so strong.These are facts.
[QUOTE=la bomba]You go on about budgets but then say hapoel jerusalem didn't enter the euroleague because of the budget.Nevermind its not about the money,I know there is money in the israeli league and also rate the league and its national squad always have.What I have been saying is that it is not as competitive because maccabi win all the time.
As for comparing it with acb:
ULEB.
Spanish teams
DKV Joventut 6 and 0
Akasvayu Girona 5 and 1
Pamesa valencia 5 and 1
gran canaria 4 and 2
israeli teams
Elan Chalon 2 and 4
Galil elyon 1 and 5
hapoel jerusalem 3 and 3
Euroleague
spanish teams
AXA Barcelona 6 and 2
real madrid 6 and 2
Unicaja 6 and 2
Tau 5 and 3
israeli team
maccabi 6 and 2
The same history as always.Maccabi strong the rest not so strong.These are facts.[/QUOTE]
I think israel has a bunch of nice little teams some nice young talent, if some of the nice young players given the resources and the opportunity could be great players in the nba and if the effort and money were spent on some of the smaller teams like Bnei Hasharon, Ironi Naharyia or Hapoel Holon could be good euroleague teams. My honest opinion is Maccabi does more to hinder israeli basketball than to help it by hiring foreigner and using it's best players for practice fodder. Israeli players are so distrustful of maccabi that Omri Casspi has an opt-out with his contract and Sharon Sasson with Yaniv Green refused to resign with maccabi.
[QUOTE=b.jerk]I think maccabi has a bunch of nice little teams some nice young talent, if some of the nice young players given the resources and the opportunity could be great players in the nba and if the effort and money were spent on some of the smaller teams like Bnei Hasharon, Ironi Naharyia or Hapoel Holon could be good euroleague teams. My honest opinion is Maccabi does more to hinder israeli basketball than to help it by hiring foreigner and using it's best players for practice fodder. Israeli players are so distrustful of maccabi that Omri Casspi has an opt-out with his contract and Sharon Sasson with Yaniv Green refused to resign with maccabi.[/QUOTE]
Maccabi remind me of rangers and celtic football teams in scotland,only they have each other to beat atleast.
Casspi hasn't been given a lot of time in euroleague.Even Eliyahu doesn't seem to get any consistency.sometimes he plays a lot sometimes he doesn't play atall.with morris,fizer,batista and vujcic to comeback,he isn't going to get much minutes i suspect.
[QUOTE=la bomba]Maccabi remind me of rangers and celtic football teams in scotland,only they have each other to beat atleast.
Casspi hasn't been given a lot of time in euroleague.Even Eliyahu doesn't seem to get any consistency.sometimes he plays a lot sometimes he doesn't play atall.with morris,fizer,batista and vujcic to comeback,he isn't going to get much minutes i suspect.[/QUOTE]
I can say for the first time the israel actually has a nice little basketball league. Teams have figured out that if they play basketball the israeli way which is what I believe the right way, playing the most intense as possible, aggressive and using your body to get through the defender and to the basket on offense and using your body to be always be between the basket and the defender rather than the finesse game the way most european team play, then bsl teams have a good chance to beat maccabi. Cummings, Fizer, Vujcic, Sharp and Blumenthal haven't looked impressive this year in the bsl especially their last two game and if it wasn't for Casspi and Eliyahu for the first two games of the season maccabi would have a losing record in the bsl. Maccabi has a two game losing streak in the bsl and I'm curious how maccabi's core will perform at Asklelon because I think the bsl has figured maccabi out.
Marcus Fizer sprained his ankle because of David Blumenthal and most likely won't play against Rytas. Lior Eliyahu and Omri Casspi seemed happy that Marcus Fizer could be out of the rotation and they would most likely play more. It's not right but that's the mindset of a nba player.
Does anyone have an opinion about Casspigate? I don't agree with his father that Oded Kattash is jealous of Omri Casspi and I'm sure Oded Kattash is done with the "glory" during his playing day and if anything Oded Kattash only regret was not playing in the nba. I do think that maccabi and in particular Sherf does bully israeli players and takes them for granted, Yaniv Green and Sasson chose not to resign with maccabi where they could of made more money and veteran israeli players aren't willing to playing for Sherf with the national team. I also think maccabi plan of a nucleus of Omri Casspi, Lior Eliyahu and Yotam Halperin is unrealistic. All Omri Casspi has to do is show his ability in a workout and someone will draft him, Lior Eliayhu seem dissatisfied at maccabi and Yotam Halperin will most like play in Oklahoma City next year or the year after.
Ramat Gan beat Maccabi Tel Aviv today, the game wasn't even competitive. On the court the israelies were the aggressors, Fizer, Sharp, Cummings, Garcia, Blumenthal and Morris were easily controlled by Ramat Gan. Maccabi played poor defense, especially by Sharp and Blumenthal. If I were Maccabi I would take the team in the new direction and release Sharp, Sherf, Blumenthal, and Moshe Fanan. I don't believe Kattash is the problem, I believe many of the bad coaching decisions like playing Garcia and Blumenthal and benching Casspi and Eliyahu were made by management and Sherf and not Kattash. Maccabi needs a coach that knows how to develop israeli basketball players and Kattash knows how to. Israeli basketball has come a long way and what worked in the past isn't good enough to win anymore.
[QUOTE=b.jerk]Ramat Gan beat Maccabi Tel Aviv today, the game wasn't even competitive. On the court the israelies were the aggressors, Fizer, Sharp, Cummings, Garcia, Blumenthal and Morris were easily controlled by Ramat Gan. Maccabi played poor defense, especially by Sharp and Blumenthal. If I were Maccabi I would take the team in the new direction and release Sharp, Sherf, Blumenthal, and Moshe Fanan. I don't believe Kattash is the problem, I believe many of the bad coaching decisions like playing Garcia and Blumenthal and benching Casspi and Eliyahu were made by management and Sherf and not Kattash. Maccabi needs a coach that knows how to develop israeli basketball players and Kattash knows how to. Israeli basketball has come a long way and what worked in the past isn't good enough to win anymore.[/QUOTE]
bye bye Kattash.
[QUOTE=la bomba]bye bye Kattash.[/QUOTE]
Is it just me or does Sherf always have blood shoot eyes, sweating and shaking and am I the only person that thought Sherf looked like he blackout at the sidelines during the eurobasket. I really believe maccabi made a huge mistake replacing Kattash with Sherf. Maccabi built itself around statistical compilers and they're going to struggle against the "wild west", "commando" and "mercenary" style of the israeli basketball teams. Neven Spahija is a great coach and he struggled against israeli team last year. Maccabi fired Kattash because it was easier than making the tough decisions and transition of today's era. It was a mistake of the magnitude of Hapoel Tel Aviv and maybe the first mistakes of several more big mistakes.
[QUOTE=b.jerk]Is it just me or does Sherf always have blood shoot eyes, sweating and shaking and am I the only person that thought Sherf looked like he blackout at the sidelines during the eurobasket. I really believe maccabi made a huge mistake replacing Kattash with Sherf. Maccabi built itself around statistical compilers and they're going to struggle against the "wild west", "commando" and "mercenary" style of the israeli basketball teams. Neven Spahija is a great coach and he struggled against israeli team last year. Maccabi fired Kattash because it was easier than making the tough decisions and transition of today's era. It was a mistake of the magnitude of Hapoel Tel Aviv and maybe the first mistakes of several more big mistakes.[/QUOTE]
spahija struggled but they still won the league!He is now in a much more competitive league and really finding it hard.5th in the ACB.
Maccabi will regain themselves when Vujcic is back.Anyone think Maccabi won't win the israeli league this year?
[QUOTE=la bomba]spahija struggled but they still won the league!He is now in a much more competitive league and really finding it hard.5th in the ACB.
Maccabi will regain themselves when Vujcic is back.Anyone think Maccabi won't win the israeli league this year?[/QUOTE]
2 games behind first early in the season and qualifying for the second stage early isn't what I would call struggling. Nikola Vujcic is an offensive genius but there's a reason he's doesn't have a nba contract. Vujcic is known to give up more than his fair share of points on defense.
[QUOTE=b.jerk]2 games behind first early in the season and qualifying for the second stage early isn't what I would call struggling. Nikola Vujcic is an offensive genius but there's a reason he's doesn't have a nba contract. Vujcic is known to give up more than his fair share of points on defense.[/QUOTE]
Could it not be that maybe he is not that interested in the NBA?genuine question.Or maybe the NBA don't need players of his qualities as their game is slightly different.Look at Smodis he is tremendous too,and a strong defender,yet he is nearly 30 and hasn't been to the nba either.Bodiroga never went and jasikevicius went late,maybe some players have some sense and don't see the attractiveness of going there.
[QUOTE=la bomba]every league is going to have lesser teams,they can't all be contenders,but no league has more contenders than ACB.You say that the lower half is poor.well Barca have lost to Cajasol and Menorca both in the bottom 6.Barca are 4th with 4 defeats.Bilbao are first,they have lost only 3 games.1 of them against murcia who are 11th.TAU have lost one of their matches to Manresa who are in 15th place.So to say that the lower half can't beat the top half is totally false.
I have a great deal of respect for the israeli league and their national team,they overachieve for such a small nation,and they truely love their basketball.But it would be foolish to say their league is anywhere near the top leagues in the med.[/QUOTE]
I never said they were near the level of the ACB, Greece or the Adriatic league but if Israel added another euroleague team which the country has the talent for they wouldn't be the favorite but would be a consideration. Israel's basketball culture has the aggressiveness, fearlessness and meanness that other countries don't. Maccabi didn't give their last three domestic loses away bnei hasharon, hapoel holon and Ramat Gan took them.
Saw maccabi play today and even if they won they didn't look that great. Maccabi is out of touch and for a team that depends of public funds it will be an issue in the future.
[QUOTE=b.jerk]I never said they were near the level of the ACB, Greece or the Adriatic league but if Israel added another euroleague team which the country has the talent for they wouldn't be the favorite but would be a consideration. Israel's basketball culture has the aggressiveness, fearlessness and meanness that other countries don't. Maccabi didn't give their last three domestic loses away bnei hasharon, hapoel holon and Ramat Gan took them.
Saw maccabi play today and even if they won they didn't look that great. Maccabi is out of touch and for a team that depends of public funds it will be an issue in the future.[/QUOTE]
Thats an interesting comment about the public funds.Is that why non-maccabi fans dislike them so much?Is there resentment that they get helped by the state?and why is this allowed?
I don't know about having two israeli teams in euroleague at the moment,however it can't be worse than having two french teams!I mean Le mans are a disgrace,and chorale roanne are only half decent because of Salyers!I hope this will get the euroleague thinking and down their quota to 1!
[QUOTE=la bomba]Thats an interesting comment about the public funds.Is that why non-maccabi fans dislike them so much?Is there resentment that they get helped by the state?and why is this allowed?
I don't know about having two israeli teams in euroleague at the moment,however it can't be worse than having two french teams!I mean Le mans are a disgrace,and chorale roanne are only half decent because of Salyers!I hope this will get the euroleague thinking and down their quota to 1![/QUOTE]
The beauty of the euroleague is the worst teams will be regulated. Maccabi's problem is that it has domestic players good enough to win games in the euroleague but the management chooses to bench them for foreign players. Those foreign players are paid millions with public funds by the public television station and the money would be more efficiently used divided equally amongst the domestic teams. If you watch Maccabi you don't see the speed and really the artistic way the israelies play the game and it's more fun to watch the smaller teams play than maccabi. Maccabi has had a lot of bad press recently and the team looks out of touch and for first time the majority favors maccabi's domestic competition over Maccabi. Marcus Fizer, Derek Sharp, David Blumenthal believe Maccabi lost because they weren't motivated by Oded Kattash and the team can win by flipping a switch. The truth is Maccabi isn't as good as they believe they are and when israelies play efficient, fast and physical Maccabi will likely loose. Maccabi isn't done being blowout domestically this year, if anything they'll look worse with their new and likely alcoholic coach.
Will Bynum along with Cummings was arrested last night. He approached a mother at a bar and asked her for sex, her husband intervened. Bynum then sucker punched him in his face after the sucker punch the husband kicked Bynum ass. Cummings and Bynum withdrew into maccabi owned car with a hostile crowd taunting them and trashing their car. Bynum then drove the maccabi owned car into the crowd and running over the 22 year old deejay and I'm not joking than tried to allude the police. The Police caught Bynum and Cummings, arrested him and two Maccabi players are suspects for attempted murder with a vehicle, assault and disorderly conduct. Worse the new coach of Maccabi, Sherf was too drunk to visit the arrested players at the police station and the team owner is trying to justify their actions. Maccabi has so many problems israeli players are refusing to sign to maccabi, their best two prospects Omri Casspi and Lior Eliyahu are unhappy at maccabi and can leave maccabi next year, the foreign players are being blown out by it's domestic rivals and the public views the franchise as out of touch and supports the withdrawl public funds from the team.