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Kobe's 81-point game is SEVERELY underrated
People like to try to minimize such an amazing game by Kobe by claiming the Raptors were terrible, but let's take a look at the guys on their [URL=http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/TOR/2006.html]2005-06 roster[/URL].
[LIST=1][*][B]Chris Bosh[/B] - 1x NBA champion, 7x All-Star, Toronto's all-time leading scorer, he was putting up 22.5/9.2/2.6 on 50.5% in 2005-06. Had 18/8/2 during the game.[*][B]Jalen Rose[/B] - Led the Fab Five in scoring (19 PPG), a career-best 24/4/5 NBA player. 17/5/6 during the game.[*][B]Matt Bonner[/B] - 1x NBA champion, 1x NBA 3PT% Leader, a decent role playe for his limited minutes.[*][B]Jose Calderon[/B] - Toronto's all-time leader in assists, a career 10/2.5/7.2 player.[*][B]Charlie Villanueva[/B] - Averaged 13/6.4/1.1 in 2005-06.[*][B]Mike James[/B] - He was averaging 20.3/3.3/5.8 on 37 MPG and 79 games in 2005-06. He put up a nice double-double during the game. Led his team with 26 points, 10 assists, 2 steals on 66.7% FG, 75% 3PT.[/LIST]
Meanwhile Kobe had Odom and shit for teammates in 2006. Smush, Kwame, Mihm, Cook, George, Walton?
Other reasons Kobe's performance was so impressive:
[LIST][*]LA was [B]down[/B] by 14 at the half (TOR 63 - LAL 49). Kobe's insane run in the 2nd half ended the game with LA up by 18 (TOR 104 - LAL 122).
[*]He put up those 81 points on incredible [B]efficiency[/B]: 60.9% FG (28-46), 53.8% 3PT (7-13), 90% FT (18-20).
[*]He led [B]all 4[/B] quarters in scoring; 1st- 14 pts, 2nd- 12 pts, 3rd- 27 pts, 4th- 28 pts
[*]He put on this insane scoring show with only [B]3[/B] turnovers in the game. In comparison, Odom had 4 turnovers on his 8 points in that game. Two days before Kobe's 81-point game, LeBron was [URL=http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200601200GSW.html]losing to the Warriors[/URL] and putting up 14 points on [B]6 turnovers[/B] and 5 for 22 shooting (22.7%) from the field.
[*]Kobe's advanced metrics during this game: 73.9 TS%, 23.0 AST%, 158 ORtg, 107 DRtg[/LIST]
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Re: Kobe's 81-point game is SEVERELY underrated
Will we ever see a single-game performance by LeBron on par with Kobe's 81?
I doubt it.
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Re: Kobe's 81-point game is SEVERELY underrated
[QUOTE=Kobr]Will we ever see a single-game performance by LeBron on par with Kobe's 81?
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It's arguably the best performance in NBA history, so I seriously doubt any current player will even come close.
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:lol you had to find a way to throw LeBron in there
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[QUOTE=Kobr]Two days before Kobe's 81-point game, LeBron was [URL=http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200601200GSW.html]losing to the Warriors[/URL] and putting up 14 points on [B]6 turnovers[/B] and 5 for 22 shooting (22.7%) from the field.[/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll:
A GSW team with Fisher, JRich, Dunleavy and Troy Murphy. Fisher was looking like Iverson that game... 17 points, 9 assists, 6 steals :applause:
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Re: Kobe's 81-point game is SEVERELY underrated
I don't see the point of putting LeBron in there because it just seems like a bait thread for another LeBron Vs. Kobe debate.
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Re: Kobe's 81-point game is SEVERELY underrated
LeBron averages more PPG, OP, regular season AND playoffs. Get mad:sleeping
[QUOTE=DaSeba5]I don't see the point of putting LeBron in there because it just seems like a bait thread for another LeBron Vs. Kobe debate.[/QUOTE]
True. Wasn't planning to reply until I saw that. Troll threads get troll replies from me.
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Re: Kobe's 81-point game is SEVERELY underrated
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The Raptors were 27-55 that season. One of if not the worst team in the Eastern Conference. :oldlol:
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yes, i'm trolling the troll[/COLOR]
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C'mon i'm a kobe fan but you didn't have to throw lebron in it b/c i'm sure there are games lebron had that kobe won't duplicate. (not including boston game 5 this year b/c kobe has had games like that)
But it is severely underrated. Lakers were down 18. He did all of this in regulation, no overtime. But of course people say it wasn't good cause raptors suck. Yet no one has done what kobe did that night. one of the best displays of offensive ability ever. probably the best single display of offensive arsenal in one game.
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Also, LeBron that year against those SAME Raptors.
14/6/6 4-22 fg's
18/7/4 6-19 fgs
22/9/5 5-18 fgs
:roll:
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Indeed. I really don't think this Kobe gets enough credit for this game. Definitely the greatest scoring exhibition in the history of the NBA.
People like to spread bullshit like, "lol at the Raptors defense," but if you were to go back and rewatch the game, I think you would agree that nobody had a chance of stopping Kobe that night. He simply got an incredibly hot hand, and drained tough shot after tough shot.
I still remember where I was when I watched this game.
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[QUOTE=DTreats]Also, LeBron that year against those SAME Raptors.
14/6/6 4-22 fg's
18/7/4 6-19 fgs
22/9/5 5-18 fgs
:roll:[/QUOTE]
Stop making up stats ******
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Re: Kobe's 81-point game is SEVERELY underrated
[SIZE="7"]Greatest single game in the modern era of basketball.[/SIZE]
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I wasn't saying anything bad about LeBron or Odom. I mentioned their turnovers to illustrate how impressive Kobe's 3 were in comparison to his scoring. That's all.
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[QUOTE=Kobr]14 points on [B]6 turnovers[/B] and 5 for 22 shooting (22.7%) from the field[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/bd6Mv.jpg[/IMG]
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[QUOTE=Kobr]I wasn't saying anything bad about LeBron or Odom. I mentioned their turnovers to illustrate how impressive Kobe's 3 were in comparison to his scoring. That's all.[/QUOTE]
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Yeah, what a ****in' coincidence you used LeBron James as an example. Don't take us for fools like yourself, OP.
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[QUOTE=RRR3]Stop making up stats ******[/QUOTE]
Says the guy who rigged Whatifsports.com results in order to make LeBron look good..
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For those of you that missed the game, here is an edited video of the 81, shot by shot.
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RxKoi__4Sg"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RxKoi__4Sg[/URL]
Kobe was getting his signals by this hottie
[IMG]http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/04-1.gif[/IMG]
Not really (just wanted to post this gif) :applause:
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[QUOTE=Kobr]People like to try to minimize such an amazing game by Kobe by claiming the Raptors were terrible, but let's take a look at the guys on their [URL=http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/TOR/2006.html]2005-06 roster[/URL].
[LIST=1][*][B]Chris Bosh[/B] - 1x NBA champion, 7x All-Star, Toronto's all-time leading scorer, he was putting up 22.5/9.2/2.6 on 50.5% in 2005-06. Had 18/8/2 during the game.[*][B]Jalen Rose[/B] - Led the Fab Five in scoring (19 PPG), a career-best 24/4/5 NBA player. 17/5/6 during the game.[*][B]Matt Bonner[/B] - 1x NBA champion, 1x NBA 3PT% Leader, a decent role playe for his limited minutes.[*][B]Jose Calderon[/B] - Toronto's all-time leader in assists, a career 10/2.5/7.2 player.[*][B]Charlie Villanueva[/B] - Averaged 13/6.4/1.1 in 2005-06.[*][B]Mike James[/B] - He was averaging 20.3/3.3/5.8 on 37 MPG and 79 games in 2005-06. He put up a nice double-double during the game. Led his team with 26 points, 10 assists, 2 steals on 66.7% FG, 75% 3PT.[/LIST]
Meanwhile Kobe had Odom and shit for teammates in 2006. Smush, Kwame, Mihm, Cook, George, Walton?
Other reasons Kobe's performance was so impressive:
[LIST][*]LA was [B]down[/B] by 14 at the half (TOR 63 - LAL 49). Kobe's insane run in the 2nd half ended the game with LA up by 18 (TOR 104 - LAL 122).
[*]He put up those 81 points on incredible [B]efficiency[/B]: 60.9% FG (28-46), 53.8% 3PT (7-13), 90% FT (18-20).
[*]He led [B]all 4[/B] quarters in scoring; 1st- 14 pts, 2nd- 12 pts, 3rd- 27 pts, 4th- 28 pts
[*]He put on this insane scoring show with only [B]3[/B] turnovers in the game. In comparison, Odom had 4 turnovers on his 8 points in that game. Two days before Kobe's 81-point game, LeBron was [URL=http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200601200GSW.html]losing to the Warriors[/URL] and putting up 14 points on [B]6 turnovers[/B] and 5 for 22 shooting (22.7%) from the field.
[*]Kobe's advanced metrics during this game: 73.9 TS%, 23.0 AST%, 158 ORtg, 107 DRtg[/LIST][/QUOTE]
And you're using things that absolutely do not matter, even a little bit, to make that Raptors team look better.
Like Jalen Rose...what does being a member of the Fab Five in the early 1990s have to do with the player he was 15 years later?
Or Mike James....nothing you told me about him tells me whether or not he was a good defender. Who gives a shit if he was averaged 20-3-3? What does that have to do with Kobe scoring 81 points?
And Matt Bonner; how does him being a one time champ as like the 9th or 10th man and a good 3-point shooter make it harder for Kobe to score 81 points?
And good effort with Villanueva by pointing out he averaged 13-6-1. Still doesn't tell me what that has to do with making it harder for Kobe to score 81, but at least I now know Villanueva was a 13-6-1 player in 2005-2006.
The game was incredible. What Kobe did was absolutely phenomenal and a joy to watch. But what you listed about each Toronto player...really? You gotta do better than that. At least tell us why their defense might have made it harder on Kobe than the average fan thinks.
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[QUOTE=LamarOdom]Great game but his game against Dallas was more impressive.[/QUOTE]
this
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[QUOTE=Kobr]People like to try to minimize such an amazing game by Kobe by claiming the Raptors were terrible, but let's take a look at the guys on their [URL=http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/TOR/2006.html]2005-06 roster[/URL].
[LIST=1][*][B]Chris Bosh[/B] - 1x NBA champion, 7x All-Star, Toronto's all-time leading scorer, he was putting up 22.5/9.2/2.6 on 50.5% in 2005-06. Had 18/8/2 during the game.[*][B]Jalen Rose[/B] - Led the Fab Five in scoring (19 PPG), a career-best 24/4/5 NBA player. 17/5/6 during the game.[*][B]Matt Bonner[/B] - 1x NBA champion, 1x NBA 3PT% Leader, a decent role playe for his limited minutes.[*][B]Jose Calderon[/B] - Toronto's all-time leader in assists, a career 10/2.5/7.2 player.[*][B]Charlie Villanueva[/B] - Averaged 13/6.4/1.1 in 2005-06.[*][B]Mike James[/B] - He was averaging 20.3/3.3/5.8 on 37 MPG and 79 games in 2005-06. He put up a nice double-double during the game. Led his team with 26 points, 10 assists, 2 steals on 66.7% FG, 75% 3PT.[/LIST]
Meanwhile Kobe had Odom and shit for teammates in 2006. Smush, Kwame, Mihm, Cook, George, Walton?
Other reasons Kobe's performance was so impressive:
[LIST][*]LA was [B]down[/B] by 14 at the half (TOR 63 - LAL 49). Kobe's insane run in the 2nd half ended the game with LA up by 18 (TOR 104 - LAL 122).
[*]He put up those 81 points on incredible [B]efficiency[/B]: 60.9% FG (28-46), 53.8% 3PT (7-13), 90% FT (18-20).
[*]He led [B]all 4[/B] quarters in scoring; 1st- 14 pts, 2nd- 12 pts, 3rd- 27 pts, 4th- 28 pts
[*]He put on this insane scoring show with only [B]3[/B] turnovers in the game. In comparison, Odom had 4 turnovers on his 8 points in that game. Two days before Kobe's 81-point game, LeBron was [URL=http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200601200GSW.html]losing to the Warriors[/URL] and putting up 14 points on [B]6 turnovers[/B] and 5 for 22 shooting (22.7%) from the field.
[*]Kobe's advanced metrics during this game: 73.9 TS%, 23.0 AST%, 158 ORtg, 107 DRtg[/LIST][/QUOTE]
:biggums:
You just wrote an essay talking about a regular season game between two teams who missed the playoffs. Congrats.
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I just want to know what in the hell his little blurbs about each player have to do with their defense and how it made it or harder or possibly easier for Kobe to get 81. Not sure why OP felt the need to tell me Bonner was a 1x champ or that Jalen Rose led the Fab 5 in scoring 15 years earlier.
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[QUOTE=KG215]I just want to know what in the hell his little blurbs about each player have to do with their defense and how it made it or harder or possibly easier for Kobe to get 81. Not sure why OP felt the need to tell me Bonner was a 1x champ or that Jalen Rose led the Fab 5 in scoring 15 years earlier.[/QUOTE]
"B-b-b-b-b-b-but IT's KOBEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! DA BLACK MAM-BEAAAANNNNNNN! DA GOAT GAW-WAWD!!! LEBRICK SUCKS CHOKER LOL KOBE CLUTCH AS HELL DOEEEE! 5 RANGZZZZZ!"
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[QUOTE=fsvr54]46 shots lol[/QUOTE]
lol This
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I wouldnt say its underrated. Most people applaud the great play of kobe that game. It's just that in this forum, people choose to disregard the impressiveness of this performance for their own personnel reasons. spurting nonsense like "it was only against the raptors" or "if blah blah blah took 35+ shots, theyd score 81 points too" totally disregarding the fact of how hard it is to get off your own shot off in the nba, let alone making over 50% of them to score 81. claims like that should just be ignored, because regardless of the opposing team or shots taken, an 81 point performance is absolutely amazing. Its really a head scratcher that some people actually deny the impressiveness of said game.
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great game no doubt, but if you know your not going to make it past the first round playoffs might as well right?
idk the lakers kinda ruined it for me that season. it's like nobody cared about winning or playing as a team just shooting...
either way great game by kobe. his shooting percentage and efficiency were insane....
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[QUOTE=Kobr]Will we ever see a single-game performance by LeBron on par with Kobe's 81?
I doubt it.[/QUOTE]
Yes if he is willing to relinquish his teammates the entire game and take almost fifty fieldgoal attempts in one game. With other words, we most likely wont see Lebron do that.
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[QUOTE=LamarOdom]Great game but his game against Dallas was more impressive.[/QUOTE]
I agree. That game vs Dallas, Kobe was on point from jump. In the Raptors game, Kobe came alive in the 2nd half and then he scores around 10-15 points in garbage time just like Wilt did in his 100 point game which was his team force feeding him to score as many as possible.
Also, that Dallas game had intensity in it where-as the Raptors game felt like a sleepy pre-season game.
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Kobe was hitting his patented fades at an unreal rate that game. You could've had Bruce Bowen on him and he still gets those shots. They were the typical long Rangers he hits at like 30percent now except he was in his prime and on fire.
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[QUOTE=fsvr54]46 shots lol[/QUOTE]
Wilt took 63 shots and 32 fta for his 100 point game lol. So shut up ho
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you might be able to see lebron pull a game like that off absolutely.....
if in the near future he decides to not give a crap and just shoot without his teammates, then he has the scoring ability to do it, though not as diverse as kobe or maybe as efficient....i can't blame kobe tho, i would have done the same if i was getting frustrated with how the higher ups were running my team...
KD is already shaping up to be a better offensive machine than both of them though.
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[quote=fsvr54]46 shots lol[/quote]
[B]Wilt Chamberlain[/B] took 63 shots ([B] 57%[/B] shooting) for 100 points and he was in the paint most of the time.
[B]Kobe Bryant[/B] took 46 shots ([B]60.8 %[/B] shooting) for 81 points and many were contested long shots.
Not a Kobe lover, but its hard to hate this performance.
[IMG]http://afrojacks.com/images/stories/chris%20brown%281%29.gif[/IMG]
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Damn, wish I caught it on NBAtv earlier today
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You guys remember that game Dallas was beating Lakers by like 20+ points (maybe like 30 points) at halftime and came back and won it? Maybe like 4-5 years ago? I just remember Mark Cuban at halftime saying how great it felt during a halftime interview.
n/m, found it: [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=221206013"]Bryant scores 21 of game-high 27 points in fourth[/URL]
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_PgR66ehq0"]Kobe Bryant 2002-03 • 27 points, 9 rebounds, 7 assists vs. Dallas Mavericks[/URL]
Boy was that a fun game to watch.
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[QUOTE=alleykat]you might be able to see lebron pull a game like that off absolutely.....
if in the near future he decides to not give a crap and just shoot without his teammates, then he has the scoring ability to do it, though not as diverse as kobe or maybe as efficient....i can't blame kobe tho, i would have done the same if i was getting frustrated with how the higher ups were running my team...
KD is already shaping up to be a better offensive machine than both of them though.[/QUOTE]
and if either kd or lebron did that, id be impressed. Even if was against the bobcats. As a fan of basketball, how could one not love a game like that? Just shows people are more obsessed with players, or their own teams than the actual sport.
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Why do people keep bringing up his 46 FGA as a knock? Regardless of whether or not you think he played selfishly, how many shots do you expect someone to take in an 81 point game? 81 points on 46 FGA is extremely efficient.
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[QUOTE=fsvr54]46 shots lol[/QUOTE]
really?
that's the level we stoop to now?
players scorin 81 points and we have people hating on it because of 46 shots?
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[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]really?
that's the level we stoop to now?
players scorin 81 points and we have people hating on it because of 46 shots?[/QUOTE]
He probably wants something like 25 shots and 40+ fta. definitely would be a fun game to watch......
:facepalm
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Lakers, 2010 NBA Champs btches! Fcking AAAAA. Forgot how exciting that 4th quarter was.