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Draft 2013
March Madness and watching the tournament always has me looking out for potential prospects that can fit into what the Bulls want/need.
Some guys that may fall to our pick and have stood out to me are the following:
Tim Hardaway Jr
James Michael McAdoo
Isaiah Austin
Gorgui Dieng
Archie Goodwin
Jeff Withey
Lucas Nogueira
Adreian Payne
Patric Young
Kenny Kadji
Michael Snaer
Jamaal Franklin
We need a SG and a PF/C
A young backup to Noah with some potential would be nice.
A young SG to finally fill that role would also be nice.
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Alot of these guys had nice runs in the tournament and showed that they can potentially be solid NBA players. I don't think there are any sure fire stars in this draft but there is depth of talent which is good for a team like our Bulls who isn't picking the early because in this kind of draft the talent gap between the 15th pick to the 25th pick isn't that great
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Hardaway Jr is the only guy I like.
We could get a better and cheaper backup big out of the D-League. Yes, that is how disappointing this draft is.
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[QUOTE=Crystallas]Hardaway Jr is the only guy I like.
We could get a better and cheaper backup big out of the D-League. Yes, that is how disappointing this draft is.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. I think he's the pick if he's on the board.
But depending on how McAdoo measures at the combine I think he should get a strong look. If he has tweener size no, if he measures at a solid PF height definitely work him out.That listed height of 6'9 is probably gonna turn into a 6'7 though.
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McAdoo is a serious project. But he definitely has NBA skill, Thibs type of skill but not kind of heart. I wouldn't be upset if we drafted him. I don't like him a lot though. He's more Tyrus Thomas in the head, than he is any kind of upgrade for us on the court.
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I agree he might not have the type of mindset to be a success but I don't think he's a dumbass like Tyrus (few are), but I think he actually wants to get better, but could go either way depending on where he goes..I think with our more veteran bigs he'd be a good project to take on, given how much they bust their asses they'd be a good example, and whip him into shape.
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Kadji is old with questionable shot selection, Dieng has no offensive skills and Withey might be the biggest douchebag I saw this year. Can't stand that soft ass coattail rider.
Love Hardaway, especially his shot and athleticism. Don't think he'll be available late though.
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Jimmy Butler deserves a shot at the starting 2 guard next season. I do agree we will need another wing guy though - RIP is definitely gone.
This draft could be wide open after the top few players get taken. A guy like Hardaway could be a solid player so I'd be on board with him.
Cardwell-Pope has a lot of abilities that would fit in Chicago - great rebounder for his position and is a solid defender, can also score the ball. Only thing is he would likely have to drop for Chicago to get him.
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[QUOTE=Crystallas]McAdoo is a serious project. But he definitely has NBA skill, Thibs type of skill but not kind of heart. I wouldn't be upset if we drafted him. I don't like him a lot though. He's more Tyrus Thomas in the head, than he is any kind of upgrade for us on the court.[/QUOTE]
Mcadoo was projected to be a top 5-10 pick if he came out last year. Not saying that he deserves that or it's merited, but the potential is certainly there.
I think he has a well balanced skill set, but he sometimes doesn't have the fire, intensity or IQ to consistently play well. Things that I think can be corrected being surrounded by a good coaching staff and a good roster both of which we have.
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[QUOTE=methusala]Kadji is old with questionable shot selection, Dieng has no offensive skills and Withey might be the biggest douchebag I saw this year. Can't stand that soft ass coattail rider.
Love Hardaway, especially his shot and athleticism. Don't think he'll be available late though.[/QUOTE]
Kadji is a big who has legit size and can spread the floor which is something we need to open the lanes for our slashers.
Dieng has serious defensive potential and he actually has somewhat of a decent jumpshot out to 15 feet.
Withey has serious size and is actually strong at finishing around the basket and is a pretty good shot blocker.
We're talking about a backup C who hopefully won't have to play a lot of minutes as long as Noah stays healthy.
Either one of these guys would be an upgrade over Nazr.
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[QUOTE=ljsbb27]Kadji is a big who has legit size and can spread the floor which is something we need to open the lanes for our slashers.
Dieng has serious defensive potential and he actually has somewhat of a decent jumpshot out to 15 feet.
Withey has serious size and is actually strong at finishing around the basket and is a pretty good shot blocker.
We're talking about a backup C who hopefully won't have to play a lot of minutes as long as Noah stays healthy.
Either one of these guys would be an upgrade over Nazr.[/QUOTE]
A wet blanket is an upgrade over Nazr.
I'm a Miami Hurricane fan. Kadji is not someone I want to use a 1st rd. pick on.
I don't want to use a 1st on 'just' a backup either. There are a number of things the Bulls need, wasting a pick on a backup/low ceiling guy is a waste.
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Jamal Franklin seems like a bulls type player to me- he and ESP Archie Goodwin should be taken ahead of hardaway, both are a level above
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[QUOTE=methusala]A wet blanket is an upgrade over Nazr.
I'm a Miami Hurricane fan. Kadji is not someone I want to use a 1st rd. pick on.
I don't want to use a 1st on 'just' a backup either. There are a number of things the Bulls need, wasting a pick on a backup/low ceiling guy is a waste.[/QUOTE]
I would argue that there aren't a number of things that we need. '
In my opinion I would say a center to backup Noah is priority number one with priority number two being a small forward to backup Deng if Butler is going to be our starting shooting guard.
Rose-Hinrich-Teague
Butler-Bellinelli-Robinson
Deng-?
Boozer-Gibson-Thomas
Noah-?
I'm guessing the roster will look something like that with maybe a few moves unless we pull of some type of trade.
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[QUOTE=el gringos]Jamal Franklin seems like a bulls type player to me- he and ESP Archie Goodwin should be taken ahead of hardaway, both are a level above[/QUOTE]
I would say that they're more athletic and maybe better defenders by a small margin, but Hardaway Jr is a better scorer and a better shooter and that's what we need more of.
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Steven Adams is another prospect at the Center position.
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[QUOTE=(e)]Jimmy Butler deserves a shot at the starting 2 guard next season. I do agree we will need another wing guy though - RIP is definitely gone.
This draft could be wide open after the top few players get taken. A guy like Hardaway could be a solid player so I'd be on board with him.
Cardwell-Pope has a lot of abilities that would fit in Chicago - great rebounder for his position and is a solid defender, can also score the ball. Only thing is he would likely have to drop for Chicago to get him.[/QUOTE]
I like Caldwell-Pope and Jamaal Franklin as well. If we can get one of those two or Hardaway Jr I would be ecstatic.
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Glen Rice Jr and Reggie Bullock are two more guys id be happy with.
Some talks that the Bulls may try to move up in the draft.
Also some talks the Bulls may draft another Euro player and stash him away for a few years until he's ready to avoid additional payroll.
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Dario Saric and Giannis Adetokoubo are the two international players I keep seeing linked to the Bulls.
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@ljsbb27, Coach Thibs has already said that Butler will be a starter next season. He earned it. Bulls always say they gone move up in the draft. They been saying that since 09 when they needed a SG. From what I've been reading the Bulls might take Caldwell-Pope if he is still there. He has a Kevin Martin type of game. Him and Teague would be a nice backcourt coming off the bench.
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This year the bulls need to address 2 positions, Shooting guard and a backup center. I believe Deng will be gone after next year and Butler will probably be the starting Small Forward. He will be better at that position than at Shooting Guard.
My opinion the 1st tier of players the bulls should go after if they are available would be: Olynyk, Gobert, Caldwell-Pope, Franklin, and Crabbe.
The next tier if none of those are available could be: Goodwin, Mitchell, or Rice. I'm not too sold on Hardaway or Dieng.
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[QUOTE=(e)]Jimmy Butler deserves a shot at the starting 2 guard next season. I do agree we will need another wing guy though - RIP is definitely gone.
This draft could be wide open after the top few players get taken. A guy like Hardaway could be a solid player so I'd be on board with him.
Cardwell-Pope has a lot of abilities that would fit in Chicago - great rebounder for his position and is a solid defender, can also score the ball. Only thing is he would likely have to drop for Chicago to get him.[/QUOTE]
I agree on Jimmy Butler. Why do we need to look for another SG? I feel we need a big to replace Asik.
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[QUOTE=97 bulls]I agree on Jimmy Butler. Why do we need to look for another SG? I feel we need a big to replace Asik.[/QUOTE]
SG are kinda in a way just as rare as legit centers. I mean sure all the top tier shooter guards are great but several are about to retire.
Simmons usually argues that Wade/Kobe/Manu are on the way out and the next generation is pretty much Harden/EJ/Afflalo. And really Harden's the only one that's a lock for being an all star more than once. Sure EJ could make it if he gets "healthy" and Afflalo might in a shitty east but it's kinda different than it used to be back in the 90s.
Center is pretty much now Dwight? Gasol Noah Lopez Bosh. I mean there's several guys there who if Dwight is never again that good (and I think he was just bored in LA but he may have actually been injured) that are all arguably the best center. Then a few next tier guys like Asik, Tyson (I'm not as high on him as others) Vucevic etc.
And we're fortunate enough to have one of the top tier guys. Plus the Bulls still need shooting. I think if there's a nice 2 guard prospect take him, but if there's a nice center prospect who would be a good back up grab him.
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Meh, this draft isn't deep enough to want the Bulls to become idealistic with their pick. We have to take the best available, period. Because there is a good chance that we're looking at D-League prospects once Stern hits the podium. Dieng and Hardaway are good, because if they're on the board, these are two hard-working(Pax/Thibs type) smart and athletic players that might pan out after a year or two.
Immediate impact players simply are hard to come by in this year's draft class.
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[QUOTE=Crystallas]Meh, this draft isn't deep enough to want the Bulls to become idealistic with their pick. We have to take the best available, period. Because there is a good chance that we're looking at D-League prospects once Stern hits the podium. Dieng and Hardaway are good, because if they're on the board, these are two hard-working(Pax/Thibs type) smart and athletic players that might pan out after a year or two.
Immediate impact players simply are hard to come by in this year's draft class.[/QUOTE]
Dieng and Hardaway are actually my top two targets with our 20th pick.
In the second round I like Solomon Hill.
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Ricky Ledo is one guy i haven't seen anyone mention that could surprise people. Very smooth offensive game. Needs work defensively but has the size and athletic ability and we all know how much Thibs can help people improve their defense.
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[QUOTE=ljsbb27]Ricky Ledo is one guy i haven't seen anyone mention that could surprise people. Very smooth offensive game. Needs work defensively but has the size and athletic ability and we all know how much Thibs can help people improve their defense.[/QUOTE]
Did some more research on Ledo and if he falls because of some of the worries surrounding him he could really be a steal. Coming out of high school he was a top rated prospect and an All-American. Then due to academics he had to sit out his freshman season at Providence. Because of not getting to see him play against college competition some NBA scouts are worried, but some think he proved himself enough before this past year. He still practiced with the team all year long and worked on his body and his game he just didn't get to play in actual games.
We'll see, but he should definitely be considered an option.
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1. Plumlee 2. Jamaal Franklin 3. Jeff Withey 4. Crabbe 5. Dieng
That's the order we should draft upon availability.
I think people are over looking Plumlee, his measurements are a lot smaller than expected but the kid has a nba body, and he runs the court well, gets in position and can finish around the rim. But a lot of drafts have em projecting to go earlier so.. Which leads me to my most likely pick jamaal Franklin.
I love this Franklin pick as he is perfect for thibs style of play. He almost averaged double figures in rebounds at 6'6 and a lot of that has to do with his 6'11 wingspan. He is tenacious on defense, already has a somewhat low post game, and he can also dish the basketball. He's a gym rat and hard worker. He hit almost 80% of he free throws, in which he went to the line a lot! Weaknesses are his ball handling (somewhat fairly new to the game of ball, he was a multiple sport athlete in high school track, and football) and he's not a good jump shooter (but he hit 79% from the charity stripe so the potential is there). I love this guy for the bulls and I hope we draft him, but if Plumlee is there I don't see how you can pass on him. Franklin reminds me of lance Stephenson with just a splash of Gerald Wallace.
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[QUOTE=DwadeOverLebron]1. Plumlee 2. Jamaal Franklin 3. Jeff Withey 4. Crabbe 5. Dieng
That's the order we should draft upon availability.[/QUOTE]
While I agree with you on the ranking of the big men, I think Crabbe belongs ahead of Franklin. We were one of the worst 3-point shooting teams in the league this season, and Franklin would not help to improve that. Crabbe can really shoot it, at only 6'6" he has a 6'11" wingspan, hit over 81% of his free throws, and rebounds very well for a guard.
Franklin would definitely fit well in Thib's system except for his poor shooting - we also don't know how well he will transition from a smaller school to the NBA. Looking purely at PPG, he averaged 17 this past season, but his team only played 6 games against ranked opponents, and he averaged just under 11 PPG in them. It's not hard to beat up on the likes of Air Force, Colorado St, and Nevada.....
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[QUOTE=Bulls_Fan20]While I agree with you on the ranking of the big men, I think Crabbe belongs ahead of Franklin. We were one of the worst 3-point shooting teams in the league this season, and Franklin would not help to improve that. Crabbe can really shoot it, at only 6'6" he has a 6'11" wingspan, hit over 81% of his free throws, and rebounds very well for a guard.
Franklin would definitely fit well in Thib's system except for his poor shooting - we also don't know how well he will transition from a smaller school to the NBA. Looking purely at PPG, he averaged 17 this past season, but his team only played 6 games against ranked opponents, and he averaged just under 11 PPG in them. It's not hard to beat up on the likes of Air Force, Colorado St, and Nevada.....[/QUOTE]
Yes agreed also, crabbe can really shoot it and he's really good at moving with out the ball which for a young player is very impressive. But I look at it like this.. I don't think crabbe can do this with a wade or Lebron guarding him, or a even a stumpers. Crabbe reminds me of what a rip Hamilton was supposed to be for the bulls. Even tho he is long, he doesn't have that defensive mind set or chip on his shoulder the way Franklin does. We beat teams with out rose this year, even vs the heat, Knicks, pacers etc. we will always win games vs the rest of the nba but we need to beat the heat, pacers, Knicks goin forward. I see us matching up better with Franklin then crabbe vs those teams.
Now this trade rumor with luol that just surfaced is interesting.. All I gotta say is oladipo and that's a potential dynasty if it happens.
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I don't like that Oladipo rumor at all. Not that I don't like the guy, or think he'll be a bust but....Deng is better now and will probably be better for the next 2-3 years. Oladipo is only this highly rated because every player has questions this year about their future success. And he's the only "safe" pick. He can't shoot, he's an alright driver. Terrific defender but...Deng is already one, and scores more easily/better.
Now if it was a hey "If McLemore is there we'd love to trade with you" That I could like. And I think there's a somewhat reasonable chance that could happen. But for Oladipo? Meh.
Hell even for Len or Noel. But Oladipo? :confusedshrug:
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[QUOTE=Rose]I don't like that Oladipo rumor at all. Not that I don't like the guy, or think he'll be a bust but....Deng is better now and will probably be better for the next 2-3 years. Oladipo is only this highly rated because every player has questions this year about their future success. And he's the only "safe" pick. He can't shoot, he's an alright driver. Terrific defender but...Deng is already one, and scores more easily/better.
Now if it was a hey "If McLemore is there we'd love to trade with you" That I could like. And I think there's a somewhat reasonable chance that could happen. But for Oladipo? Meh.
Hell even for Len or Noel. But Oladipo? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
I would be ok with the proposed trade if it was McLemore, as well. But what about Porter? I don't know much about college players, so I'm not entirely sure on what his skill set is, but I see him mentioned, quite often, as a possible top 3 player.
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[QUOTE=kshutts1]I would be ok with the proposed trade if it was McLemore, as well. But what about Porter? I don't know much about college players, so I'm not entirely sure on what his skill set is, but I see him mentioned, quite often, as a possible top 3 player.[/QUOTE]
I really like Porter. He's a versatile guy that does some of everything generally average with some of it good, and should get better at most of those things. One of those utility small forward guys like Iggy, Paul George before this year, Evan Turner, etc. But he played generally in the post at college, and is way too underweight to play there unless he develops into a stretch 4. He's got tweener height though at 6'9? I think.
But Woj is saying the Bulls are working on an extension for Deng now. I hope that's to keep him.
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[QUOTE=Rose]But Woj is saying the Bulls are working on an extension for Deng now. I hope that's to keep him.[/QUOTE]
If I'm GarPax I don't give him a whiff of an extension until he fixes his wrist. In order to commit to him for 3-4 more years I want to know that the wrist won't be an issue. Also, how much is Deng asking for? I don't know if I'd go much more than $13 million/year, and an extension like that would hinder our cap flexibility going forward.
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[QUOTE=Bulls_Fan20]If I'm GarPax I don't give him a whiff of an extension until he fixes his wrist. In order to commit to him for 3-4 more years I want to know that the wrist won't be an issue. Also, how much is Deng asking for? I don't know if I'd go much more than $13 million/year, and an extension like that would hinder our cap flexibility going forward.[/QUOTE]
I would be hesitant honestly to give him more than 10-11. 13 is what he made this year. That's top 30 player money, I don't think a particular salary should directly rate a player/expectations of the player, but players that range should give an idea of their value. He made LMA, J-Smoov, Brook Lopez money. I don't know if he's in that pay grade. Right below that where Noah and Batum are in the 10-11 range. That's solid. While a lot of what Deng means to the team is more than his 16-6 or whatever it was this year with terrific defense. You can replace a portion of that with a less talented player. Especially given the team's financial standing currently/new cap when factoring in next year's cap is coming in lower than expected.
If he thinks he can get 13+ on the open market, by all means he should do that for himself. But like Noah (and kinda Taj) if he really wants to stay and be close to a championship with a good chance to earn one in the next 5 or so years...he needs to take a decent pay cut or really earn a same size/bigger contract this upcoming year.
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Not related to the draft, but did anyone see what Nate was posting on twitter/Facebook today?
Talking about a 1-2 punch with Rose and himself next year.
I've felt like he was all but gone due to cap situations. Would be sick to get him to comeback. I became a huge Nate fan watching him throughout the year.
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[QUOTE=(e)]Not related to the draft, but did anyone see what Nate was posting on twitter/Facebook today?
Talking about a 1-2 punch with Rose and himself next year.
I've felt like he was all but gone due to cap situations. Would be sick to get him to comeback. I became a huge Nate fan watching him throughout the year.[/QUOTE]
I did see that. I don't know how much faith to put into it, but maybe it means his agent and the Bulls are trying to work something out or maybe his agent has received much interested around the league for whatever reason.
Whatever the reason it may be if we're able to bring him back at an affordable right i would most certainly welcome him back.
Him being our spark plug off the bench would be ideal, especially being in the backcourt with Kirk as a part of the second unit.
Nate could guard the backup pg and Kirk could guard the back up sg.
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[QUOTE=Rose]I would be hesitant honestly to give him more than 10-11. 13 is what he made this year. That's top 30 player money, I don't think a particular salary should directly rate a player/expectations of the player, but players that range should give an idea of their value. He made LMA, J-Smoov, Brook Lopez money. I don't know if he's in that pay grade. Right below that where Noah and Batum are in the 10-11 range. That's solid. While a lot of what Deng means to the team is more than his 16-6 or whatever it was this year with terrific defense. You can replace a portion of that with a less talented player. Especially given the team's financial standing currently/new cap when factoring in next year's cap is coming in lower than expected.
If he thinks he can get 13+ on the open market, by all means he should do that for himself. But like Noah (and kinda Taj) if he really wants to stay and be close to a championship with a good chance to earn one in the next 5 or so years...he needs to take a decent pay cut or really earn a same size/bigger contract this upcoming year.[/QUOTE]
Ideally Deng should take 8-9 million per year in my honest opinion. I know it's not his fault, but fact is we overpaid him during his current contract. If he really wants to stay here than I don't see why he wouldn't take a pay cut. He seems like the type that would. But with that being said I wouldn't blame him if he chased more money if a team offered it to him and like others have said if he does get an offer like that he should go for it.
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Excited for the draft tomorrow.
I know there's been some rumors and there normally is surrounding our Bulls but i could see us making a splash either way.
If we make a trade i think it'll show the direction of where we're going this offseason.
If we don't i think we do a nice job of finding a quality player at #20.
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[QUOTE=Rose]I really like Porter. He's a versatile guy that does some of everything generally average with some of it good, and should get better at most of those things. One of those utility small forward guys like Iggy, Paul George before this year, Evan Turner, etc. But he played generally in the post at college, and is way too underweight to play there unless he develops into a stretch 4. He's got tweener height though at 6'9? I think.
But Woj is saying the Bulls are working on an extension for Deng now. I hope that's to keep him.[/QUOTE]
I would agree with either approach.. keeping Deng or trading him.
If the Bulls decide to keep him then I think now would be the time to complete an extension because his stock is somewhat low.
I know his stock could fall even lower, but if he has a great season it may drive up his price tag to the point where we lose him.
I'm still envisioning how good Rose, Butler and Deng could be defending the perimeter, but like I said I would understand if he was moved (but I don't see it happening).