Who was the better player?
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Who was the better player?
peak tracy was better at the game of basketball
peak dwade was the better NBA player because of his propensity for the whistle
Wade.
Peak T-Mac, especially the one in Orlando.
Wade, defense being the biggest difference maker between the two.
[QUOTE=StateOfMind12]Wade, defense being the biggest difference maker between the two.[/QUOTE]
Wade is not an all-time great defender, that's not really a huge difference.
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]Wade is not an all-time great defender, that's not really a huge difference.[/QUOTE]
Wade was 3rd in DPOY, McGrady never made an all-defensive team, pretty big difference.
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]Wade is not an all-time great defender, that's not really a huge difference.[/QUOTE]
He was pretty good in his peak
On offense : McGrady
Defense : Wade
Overall : Wade by a close margin
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]Wade is not an all-time great defender, that's not really a huge difference.[/QUOTE]
Wade is arguably the greatest shot-blocking guard the league has ever seen.
[QUOTE=LoneROY7]Wade is arguably the greatest shot-blocking guard the league has ever seen.[/QUOTE]
This.
Wade was a better defender, finisher, better playmaker, and had better shot selection.
T-Mac was a better scorer, better ball handling skills, more versatile, could move better off the ball. Could play PG, SG, SF.
I think peak Wade was better because his defense capability. Although peak T-Mac was more of a threat all areas of the floor, peak D-Wade was more efficient and had a mid range game in his peak.
[QUOTE=StateOfMind12]Wade was 3rd in DPOY,[/QUOTE]
what a joke
[QUOTE=LoneROY7]Wade is arguably the greatest shot-blocking guard the league has ever seen.[/QUOTE]
T-Mac has 3 blocks per games totals higher than Wade ...
[QUOTE=Micku]
I think peak Wade was better because his defense capability. Although peak T-Mac was more of a threat all areas of the floor, [B]peak D-Wade was more efficient and had a mid range game in his peak.[/B][/QUOTE]
he was decent from mid range back in the day but not even close to mcgrady
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]T-Mac has 3 blocks per games totals higher than Wade ...[/QUOTE]
Unless you consider T-Mac's prime to be in Toronto...Wade at his peak was most certainly a better shot-blocker and overall defender then McGrady at his peak.
I'd take peak Wade, a better player overall, close in offense but way better in defense compared to peak TMac.
[QUOTE=blablabla]he was decent from mid range back in the day but not even close to mcgrady[/QUOTE]
You can check the stats for it now actually.
[B]Wade in 2008-09:[/B]
10 to 15 ft- 44% FG
80 FG with 182 FGA
16 ft to 3-pt- 41.9% FG
255FG with 609 FGA
[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01/shooting/2009/[/url]
[B]T-Mac in 2002-03:[/B]
10 to 15 ft- 41.7% FG
78 FG with 187 FGA
16 ft to 3-pt- 43.6 % FG
282 FG with 647 FGA
[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mcgratr01/shooting/2003/[/url]
As the stats show, peak Wade was close to T-Mac. Virtually equal. It just that Wade was a better finisher and T-Mac was the better 3pt and FT shooter.
But you can defend players better back then than now, so that accounts for something too. Probably driving to the basket. Still doesn't change the fact that Wade was a killer with his midrange j though.
When he came back from injury wade reached a peak where every aspect of his game came together and he was an absolute beast at everything - amazing scorer, defender, playmaker, was grabbing clutch rebounds, everything. Tmac had his moment and had his advantages too but he was never as complete. Mac = better shooter, wade = more efficient scorer, much better help defender
peak wade > insert name here!
God damn T-Mac :cry:
You could've been the GOAT
Peak Dwyane Wade because I trust him more in a playoff series. See 2006.
T mac, but no doubt wade is the better defender.
I hope T-Mac's name continues to be brought up for many years to come.
What a magical and mystical player he was. May his mysterious and intriguing legacy endureth.
Wade in every category
[QUOTE=HardwoodLegend]I hope T-Mac's name continues to be brought up for many years to come.
What a magical and mystical player he was. May his mysterious and intriguing legacy endureth.[/QUOTE]
The Mythical, Mystical, and Magical...Tracy "T-Mac" McGrady.
He'd wet your tongue, but never give you the full glass.
Lol are you serious?
T-Mac.
[QUOTE=The_Yearning]Lol are you serious?
T-Mac.[/QUOTE]
Are you serious?
It's extremely close. Wade's D and clutch play gives him the edge for me.
I'm baffled this was even asked. Wade is the clear answer. The guy had a greater will to win than McGrady ever had. If McGrady had a killer instinct, we'd be talking Hall of Fame here and a different answer to the question.
[QUOTE=Duncan21formvp]Peak Dwyane Wade because I trust him more in a playoff series. See 2006.[/QUOTE]
Did Dwyane Wade ever carry a weak squad past the 1st round by himself?
[QUOTE=HardwoodLegend]Did Dwyane Wade ever carry a weak squad past the 1st round by himself?[/QUOTE]
Did T-Mac?
[QUOTE=LoneyROY7]Did T-Mac?[/QUOTE]
No, which sort of puts them on equal footing.
I don't know what really gives Dwyane Wade the clear edge deserving of trust in the playoffs. He's had more shots in the postseason with a better team surrounding him.
McGrady was dynomite in 2005 when he finally joined a good team. He thoroughly outplayed Dirk on both ends of the floor, but Yao was fatigued and the roleplayers were nonexistent.
After that postseason, he was pretty much on a seesaw of bad health with Yao and never really got aligned to make a cohesive push.
Wade had the benefit of more appearances with solid help.
[QUOTE=Mr. Incredible]I'm baffled this was even asked. Wade is the clear answer. The guy had a greater will to win than McGrady ever had. If McGrady had a killer instinct, we'd be talking Hall of Fame here and a different answer to the question.[/QUOTE]
T-Mac isn't a HOF? :roll:
[QUOTE=The_Yearning]T-Mac isn't a HOF? :roll:[/QUOTE]
Not surefire.
He's borderline leaning more to "NO".
One poster on this board put it pretty well... "If you have to stop and really think about it, the answer should be no."
There's no question he was Hall of Fame caliber though when he was at his best.
[QUOTE=HardwoodLegend]No, which sort of puts them on equal footing.
I don't know what really gives Dwyane Wade the clear edge deserving of trust in the playoffs. He's had more shots in the postseason with a better team surrounding him.
McGrady was dynomite in 2005 when he finally joined a good team. He thoroughly outplayed Dirk on both ends of the floor, but Yao was fatigued and the roleplayers were nonexistent.
After that postseason, he was pretty much on a seesaw of bad health with Yao and never really got aligned to make a cohesive push.
Wade had the benefit of more appearances with solid help.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I think it's close as well, but I believe that Wade's defensive edge and closing/clutch ability gives him the advantage.
You can say that he's had more appearances due to solid help, but you can't take away what he's done with those opportunities. And that's lead a team to a championship as the main cog/alpha-dog.
We'll never know what T-Mac could've done at his peak w/ the same help...we know Wade DID it. It's intangible/hypothetical evidence vs tangible evidence...I'll take the tangible evidence.
[QUOTE=The_Yearning]T-Mac isn't a HOF? :roll:[/QUOTE]I'm not saying he won't be. I'm saying if the man had a killer instinct we wouldn't be having this discussion and he would be a 1st ballot Hall of Famer with no question. He'd be top 30 (or even higher) all-time because he had the talent, however he isn't because I just don't think he worked as hard as he could have.
[QUOTE=HardwoodLegend]No, which sort of puts them on equal footing.
I don't know what really gives Dwyane Wade the clear edge deserving of trust in the playoffs. He's had more shots in the postseason with a better team surrounding him.
McGrady was dynomite in 2005 when he finally joined a good team. He thoroughly outplayed Dirk on both ends of the floor, but Yao was fatigued and the roleplayers were nonexistent.
After that postseason, he was pretty much on a seesaw of bad health with Yao and never really got aligned to make a cohesive push.
Wade had the benefit of more appearances with solid help.[/QUOTE]
Wade puts up better numbers in the post-season and also Tmac was a player that struggled against the elite/better defenses in the league. Wade never had that problem as he always dominated every team regardless of how good they were defensively.
[QUOTE=Shade8780]Who was the better player?[/QUOTE]
Tmac and it's no competition.
Tmac was either significantly better or equal to Wade on every aspect
[QUOTE=andgar923]Tmac and it's no competition.
Tmac was either significantly better or equal to Wade on every aspect…. and YES that includes defense.
Wade isn't as great on the ball as he is off the ball. Tmac was a more well rounded defender both on and off the ball. But offensively, it aint close really.[/QUOTE]
Wade averaged 30.2 ppg with 7.5 apg on 49.1 percent shooting in 08-09. Let's compare this to T-Mac's peak of 32.1 ppg with 5.5 apg on 45.7 percent shooting.
Wade was a better distributor at 2 more spg clip and he scored 2 less ppg, BUT did it at 3.4 percent more efficient clip...but offensively, it isn't close?
:facepalm
SMFH. Some people.
This is close for sure. And I think yall are underrating T-mac's defense. It wasn't as good as Wade's but it wasn't miles behind either.