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you overpay for your next big man that gives you nothing on the court. Seems like every year people pass on talented big men to take marginal guards and then wonder why they don't get better.
Let's also not forget that 27-28 teams passed on Perry Jones....unless that knee 100 percent would require micro-fracture surgery in the future then it was stupid.
These kids are blank slates and you can develop them with the right coaching.
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[QUOTE=Meticode]Michael Olowokandi[/QUOTE]
I read an old Sports Illustrated issue from when he got drafted saying that he could be the next Bill Russell.
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[QUOTE=Meticode]Michael Olowokandi[/QUOTE]
wasn't as naturally gifted as Drummond and came in after 4 years of college basketball.
but I'll give you a better comparison....Bynum
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[B][SIZE="7"]8[/SIZE][/B] teams passed on Drummund..............I'm not giving the Hornets a pass....
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[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]wasn't as naturally gifted as Drummond and came in after 4 years of college basketball.
but I'll give you a better comparison....Bynum[/QUOTE]
not a good comparison at at all, bynum is very slow and looks awkward running up and down . Drummond is freakishly fast and runs like a guard
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[QUOTE=Rekindled]not a good comparison at at all, bynum is very slow and looks awkward running up and down . Drummond is freakishly fast and runs like a guard[/QUOTE]
both were young raw big men when they entered the league at a very young age. Bynum had a better natural bball iq but both were raw.
If the Lakers somehow got Drummond, I have no doubt that he would be an all star in 5 years.
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It seems like teams are scared of taking a project. Drummond has all star potential, in this weak era of centers he could be dominate. He is a legit 7', 280, and freakishly quick and fast. Sure he can bust but it's a risk worth taking, instead of drafting some guard who's ceiling is a role player.
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What exactly makes Drummond so "talented"? Is it just because he is athletic? The dude can barely play basketball.
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[QUOTE=FireDavidKahn]What exactly makes Drummond so "talented"? Is it just because he is athletic? The dude can barely play basketball.[/QUOTE]
yes. that is what makes him naturally talented. Remember that he is only 18 years old!! Guy is a blank slate and has all the tools to be something special. If you are good organization you can mold him into an all star because he has so many tools that other players don't have.
Put him on LA and hire Kareem and I'm confident that he becomes an all star. Put him with Coach Pop and I'm confident he becomes an all star. Guy has everything.
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To play devil's advocate, Darko Milicic also had all the tools. I'm quite hopeful Drummond will exceed Darko's level.
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Stuff like this isn't universal. More often than not it's circumstantial. Players like Bynum stepped into a perfect situation, where a door was left wide open for the 'next great center' in LA. Do you think he would have developed into this kind of player had he not been brought along by Kareem and instead had been drafted by the Bobcats? The kids motivation and maturity has come under fire enough as it is. Imagine him in a less-than-ideal playing situation elsewhere.
A perfect example is DeAndre Jordan. He has the natural ability to be a great center but he's hardly improved from the raw offensive player he was coming into the league. Had he gone to a team with greater expectations and a dedicated focus on bringing him along as a project player, it's safe to assume that he'd AT LEAST be making shots outside of the paint right now. Even if he had a jump shot that was broken, that would be some progress.
Nevertheless, simply drafting size isn't always a sure thing. For every Bynum there's a Olowokandi, or a Thabeet. I'm sure lots of GM's still had that Thabeet pick a few years back fresh in their minds when considering Drummond.
Boston drafted Fab Melo, so at least there's that.
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[QUOTE=Rake2204]To play devil's advocate, Darko Milicic also had all the tools. I'm quite hopeful Drummond will exceed Darko's level.[/QUOTE]
-Darko didn't have Drummond's tools. Athletically, he is something special. I watched a lot of his games and the tools are there. He just has to spend more time playing the game.
-You weren't passing up on 5 star prospects for Drummond like Darko. For example Toronto took Terrance Ross, whose ceiling is a bad starter, over Drummond.
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[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]-Darko didn't have Drummond's tools. Athletically, he is something special. I watched a lot of his games and the tools are there. He just has to spend more time playing the game.
-You weren't passing up on 5 star prospects for Drummond like Darko. For example Toronto took Terrance Ross, whose ceiling is a bad starter, over Drummond.[/QUOTE]
Just curious, do you always refer to athleticism and size as tools?
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Instead of waiting 6-7 years into his career, his agent needs to have him go work with Olajuwon right now
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[QUOTE=ZenMaster]Just curious, do you always refer to athleticism and size as tools?[/QUOTE]
I hate to use the word always. To be more precise they are gifts. Gifts that most don't have and will never have.
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[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]I hate to use the word always. To be more precise they are gifts. Gifts that most don't have and will never have.[/QUOTE]
Yeah he certainly is an athletic freak. Another thing I wonder is: if you think so highly of Drummond then what do you think of Davis?
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Hibbert gets alot of praise, only thing that seperated Hibbert from Drummond is hype. I expect Drummond to have similar success
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[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]yes. that is what makes him naturally talented. Remember that he is only 18 years old!! Guy is a blank slate and has all the tools to be something special. If you are good organization you can mold him into an all star because he has so many tools that other players don't have.
Put him on LA and hire Kareem and I'm confident that he becomes an all star. Put him with Coach Pop and I'm confident he becomes an all star. Guy has everything.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, same thing with Derrick Favors when he came in, he was really raw & could only finish around the basket. Now look at him in only his second year, averaged a double double in the playoffs. Drummond is going to be the same case as Favors.
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I honestly felt bad for Drummond....when he finally got picked, it was quite the sigh of relief....Drummond WILL be one of the better players in this draft by the end of the season....
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[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]-Darko didn't have Drummond's tools. Athletically, he is something special. I watched a lot of his games and the tools are there. He just has to spend more time playing the game.
-You weren't passing up on 5 star prospects for Drummond like Darko. For example Toronto took Terrance Ross, whose ceiling is a bad starter, over Drummond.[/QUOTE]
Regarding the first point, their skills and makeup weren't identical, but Darko at the time definitely had a lot of tools in terms of what he was capable of doingon the basketball court (I'd say arguably more than Drummond). Young Milicic was relatively quick (though Drummond seems quicker), he could shoot (not a sharpshooter, but he could knock down jumpers and NBA triples without looking hapless), and he had a post game that seemed well on its way to blossoming into something special.
To this day, I still cannot lie. When I was up at the University of Detroit watching the Pistons open practice in '03, that whole place was giddy with Darko. He looked sharp, the perfect complement to Ben Wallace for years to come. This gent was taking off one step inside the free throw line and dunking with relative ease during 3-on-2, 2-on-1 drills. I think it can be argued Larry Brown indirectly destroyed Darko's will to live, but I definitely think Milicic had soemthing there at the start.
Regarding your second statement, I agree. There's not as much pressure resting on Detroit for the Drummond pick. He more or less fell into their laps and there wasn't a highly touted alternative that was immediately swooped up afterward. I'd say relatively low risk, possibly high reward.
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[QUOTE=Meticode]Darko Milicic[/QUOTE]
yeah, darko had game like [URL="http://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_KNce8jInH7Qj1EsyH5rjn2.gameID_3604-B-9-5.compID_3PFNKyhLHWIYKHG2fZORy3.season_2003.roundID_3553.html"]this (37 points, 9 reb, 9 ast, 17/19 fg)[/URL] when he was 17 years old, playing against grown men in european international competition.
drummond - meh
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Drummond sucks balls, he would have slipped further if Detroit didn't pick him.
He's just got no idea what to do on a basketball court. He has the basketball IQ of Kwame and the work ethic of Eddy Curry.
Darko has a lot of skill, but is mentally weak.
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next twin towers :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
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I'm never too high on athletic players who look very raw in college. College competition is extremely weak for the most part. Especially at center, you don't have to be all that to look like a terrific player.
Yet Drummond didn't do much of anything really. When you are seven feet tall and 270 pounds and hyper athletic you need to be able to do more against college competition, even as a raw 18 year old.
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At least this is semi-encouraging:
[quote]Dumars said he vowed after the Darko Milicic debacle in 2003 that he would never again settled for limited information -- particularly when evaluating 18-year-olds. Whereas he only had two sources of information regarding Milicic, Dumars said he had close to a dozen different background sources for Drummond.
They even talked with his sixth-grade teacher.[/quote]
[url]http://www.freep.com/article/20120629/COL08/306290003/Drew-Sharp-What-Joe-Dumars-did-avoid-another-Darko-fiasco-Pistons[/url]
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[QUOTE=LJJ]I'm never too high on athletic players who look very raw in college. College competition is extremely weak for the most part. Especially at center, you don't have to be all that to look like a terrific player.
[B]Yet Drummond didn't do much of anything really. [/B]When you are seven feet tall and 270 pounds and hyper athletic you need to be able to do more against college competition, even as a raw 18 year old.[/QUOTE]
the team was broken. he was literally no coached up at all due to all the turmoil that wen on during the season. With that said, he had moments in games where he did things that showcased his otherworldly gifts.
Even if all you can get him to do with to play hard on defense, block shots, catch alley opps ---> he is still worth taking earlier than 9.
lets also not forget that this guy is 280 pounds at age 18 and is only going to get bigger and stronger. I'm defenses are gonna love facing this 6"11 300 pound super quick man child on defense in a few years. If D'Andre Jordon, who is borderline retarded bbiq wise, can become a difference maker on defense than I have know issue saying Drummond will do that same.
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If he plays disciplined defense, learns how to defensive rebound, and can hit 60% of his free throws, he'll be an amazing partner for Greg Monroe.
We already know he can catch the ball and sky over everyone.
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i'm happy we got andre, but worried that greg will have to play the 4, he's gonna be even more exposed defensively
overall im glad :cheers:
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[QUOTE=DaHeezy]Hibbert gets alot of praise, only thing that seperated Hibbert from Drummond is hype. I expect Drummond to have similar success[/QUOTE]
Not the same at all retard, rofl.
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[QUOTE=DaHeezy]Hibbert gets alot of praise, only thing that seperated Hibbert from Drummond is hype. I expect Drummond to have similar success[/QUOTE]
Hibbert was also a better [I]basketball player[/I]
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[QUOTE=Stuckey]i'm happy we got andre, but worried that greg will have to play the 4, he's gonna be even more exposed defensively
overall im glad :cheers:[/QUOTE]
I think its better for Monroe to be at the 4. He got exposed more often playing the 5.
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no one bringing up D'andre Jordan yet? dude is an exact clone of DJ
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[QUOTE=DuMa]no one bringing up D'andre Jordan yet? dude is an exact clone of DJ[/QUOTE]
I did on the first page.
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[QUOTE=Skywalker]Not the same at all retard, rofl.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying they're the same player in skillset, retard, I'm saying his success level could be the same, but Drummond garnered more mype where it'll look like he underacheived
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[QUOTE=FireDavidKahn]Hibbert was also a better [I]basketball player[/I][/QUOTE]
Again, I'm not comparing skillset, I'm comparing success level.
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[QUOTE=Attila]I think its better for Monroe to be at the 4. He got exposed more often playing the 5.[/QUOTE]
He'll continue to play at the 5 since Drummond will never be a suitable starter.
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[QUOTE=FireDavidKahn]Hibbert was also a better [I]basketball player[/I][/QUOTE]
As a freshman, he certainly did not.
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[QUOTE=DuMa]no one bringing up D'andre Jordan yet? dude is an exact clone of DJ[/QUOTE]
He has a better jumper right now than current Deandre Jordan.