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Does Blake Griffin have GOAT potential?
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In your opinion does Blake Griffin have the potential to become a top 5 GOAT power forward?
I came across this statement in another thread with CF86, who claimed Griffin has top 5 GOAT potential, i had never heard this claim before and seeing as CF86 follows the Clip show as much as he does maybe there is some merit to that statement.
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]
Blake is already a top 5 PF and [B]has the potential to be a top 5 PF EVER[/B]. Sure the combined 3 players you're proposing may give a bit more now but if Blake becomes next in line to the Barkley's and Malone's which it's looking like... [/QUOTE]
just wondering if this is a popular thought or if it's a stretch in most people's opinions,
For me, i think Griffin does have amazing potential, but do I think he can become better or as good as Tim Dunca, KG, Barkley, Malone, or even Mchale/Dirk that, that i'm not sure.
IMO we haven't seen enough of Griffin as "da man" on a team to declare that he has the potential to become as good as some of the players mentioned before. Also, defensively, i just can't see him ever surpassing guys like TD or KG, however he is still young so i shouldnt rule that out entirely.
Maybe i'm wrong though.
So what you ya'll think? If you don't think Griffin has the potential to be a top 5 GOAT power forward, please explain why the best that you can, same goes for if you do think he has that potential.
CF86 i'd love to hear your opinion on this since it was your statement that inspired this thread & i never really got around to asking you why you thought that was so
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to be great yes, top 5 pf i dont believe hell make that jump. A ton of players have this type of potentials yet never achieve it. Some people just hit a ceiling. Also i hate BG. But hes stepped it up this year. His shot looks A TON nicer, yet i dont see rediculous improvements on the defensive end like stated. Improved yes, vastly no. (and yes i have watched clipper games quite a few this year and last so CF dont try and say otherwise lol)
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no sorry. he is just a very rich man's version of kevin willis. the original t-rex
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He is so young i think its premature to make this kind of conclusion. He has improved a lot though, i think most people don't see how he has improved because they only look at stats and dont know how playing in a stacked team has limited his stats and minutes though he still is a 20/10 guy.
I think the main question is if he will improved his defense to a higher level. That's the only way i can see the Clippers winning a championship with this team. He has shown some glimpses the last few games, but there is still a lot of room for improvement
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Let's see, discussing just from ISH voting:
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7978497&postcount=3[/url]
PF
1. Tim Duncan - #9
2. Kevin Garnett - #16
3. Karl Malone - #17
4. Charles Barkley - #18
5. Bob Pettit - #20
6. Dirk Nowitzki - #22
7. Dolph Schayes - #38
8. Kevin McHale - #40
9. Elvin Hayes - #44
10. Dennis Rodman - #50
And then, Blake would have to pass a list of:
[url]http://bleacherreport.com/articles/555788-nba-power-rankings-tim-duncan-and-the-50-best-power-forwards-of-all-time[/url]
^ A lot of guys I think he can pass on that list, but it's obviously going to be a tough raod. Right now, I just don't see it happening.
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short answer: no
long answer: noooooooooooooooooo
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No way too little D and too little moves on O.
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:facepalm Blake Griffin's ceiling is below Larry Nance on the all-time list. And that's a compliment.
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Potential = Yes
Will he become the GOAT of PF = :confusedshrug:
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His ceiling is Shawn Kemp so no.
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It's hard to say a solid no for any player's potential. But really I don't see it at all. Unless he suddenly improves EVERY aspect of his game (besides dunking and rebounding) then he's a long way off. There's probably close to 5 guys in the league at the moment who were higher on the GOAT list in their primes then Blake every will be.
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[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]
[B]For me, i think Griffin does have amazing potential, but do I think he can become better or as good as Tim Dunca, KG, Barkley, Malone, or even Mchale/Dirk that[/B], that i'm not sure.
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:facepalm
Tell me you're 8 years old
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[QUOTE=QuebecBaller]:facepalm
Tell me you're 8 years old[/QUOTE]
what implies that i'm 8 years old when i say that i'm not sure if he can reach the level of guys like Tim duncan & KG?
maybe you read it to fast and thought i was saying "i do" instead of "do i"
maybe you should slow down, comprehend what you read before you start hurling insults and face palms..
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Sure. But he has improve in a few areas. I thought Chris Webber had more potential than Blake Griffin in terms being GOAT PF. He was a better passer, better shooter, could post up, pretty good mid-range game. KG in his prime was on a sucky team also.
There were/are other PFs that had better starts and better than Griffin is right now in his 3rd year. Griffin is still young and raw, so that could change. But I don't know. A lot of players have potential. I think he can become better than he actually is right now, but he has to keep on improving and we'll see where he'll be.
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GOATin sounds stupid so I vote "no"
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No, if he can become the Goat, then NBA is dead, cannot imagine a Goat with such an ugly game.
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[QUOTE=brandonislegend]I laughed.[/QUOTE]
Me too :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Anybody who thinks Blake has GOAT potential must think Adam Morrison still has a chance in the NBA.
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NO....if u look at all the GOAT candidates their main attribute was fundamentals....ala Kobe, athletically he's declined but he has no huge weakness, due to being fundamentally sound(Old ass Duncan too)...Griffin is learning fundamentals at 20+ years of age, so the answer is no. Once his athleticism drops so will he ala Vince Carter
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GOAT = "Greatest Of All Time"
how can someone be a "top-5 GOAT" ?....makes no sense
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[QUOTE=Pushxx]Anybody who thinks Blake has GOAT potential must think Adam Morrison still has a chance in the NBA.[/QUOTE]
Ammo had GOAT potential but too much winning made him comfy and didn't care anymore.
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to answer the question though, I think Griffin will retire as one of the top-30 to ever play the game
somewhere in there
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GKSOAT!!!!
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Nope, just doesnt have it. Pretty obvious at this point.
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[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]GOAT = "Greatest Of All Time"
how can someone be a "top-5 GOAT" ?....makes no sense[/QUOTE]
top 5 greatest of all time power forward, the question is can he become a top 5 power forward of all time.
CF86 stated in a thread that BG has the potential to be a top 5 power forward of all time.
I was curious as to whether that opinion was shared by anybody else outside of a hardcore clipper fan who is obviusly a little biased,
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I was expecting nearly everyone to say "hell, no".
Do you really think he can be better than Duncan, Malone, Barkley, Mchale, etc?
He can dunk and jump really high but that's it, don't be fooled by the media. He's average on offense, subpar on defense, good rebounder though.
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[QUOTE=sipitri]I was expecting nearly everyone to say "hell, no".
Do you really think he can be better than Duncan, Malone, Barkley, Mchale, etc?
He can dunk and jump really high but that's it, don't be fooled by the media. He's average on offense, subpar on defense, good rebounder though.[/QUOTE]
Did any of those u mentioned jumped over a kia and DUKED it? No. So its simple, he is GOAT.
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[QUOTE=sipitri]I was expecting nearly everyone to say "hell, no".
Do you really think he can be better than Duncan, Malone, Barkley, Mchale, etc?
He can dunk and jump really high but that's it, don't be fooled by the media. He's average on offense, subpar on defense, good rebounder though.[/QUOTE]
once again this is not my personal opinion, CF86 posted this and i was wanting to know if this is an opinion shared by others or just clippers fans.
i clearly stated in the OP that i think he has amazing potential but that i haven't seen enough to make the claim that he has potential to be a top 5 PF of all time.
i stated in a thread that i thought a J smith & Al Horford for BG trade would benefit the Clippers, and while debating this with CF86 he said that Griffin had potential to be a top 5 power forward ever.
so i'm trying to see if anybody else shares that opinion outside of clippers fans.
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Why can't BG turn into a LeGreekGodBron with his similar amazing athleticism?
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[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen][COLOR="Red"]top 5 greatest of all time power forward, the question is can he become a top 5 power forward of all time.[/COLOR]
CF86 stated in a thread that BG has the potential to be a top 5 power forward of all time.
I was curious as to whether that opinion was shared by anybody else outside of a hardcore clipper fan who is obviusly a little biased,[/QUOTE]
I think he has the physical tools to where that is possible...yes
don't bother reading the "omg hell no" posts...it's so early in Blake's career...his prime years are yet to come
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He can be one of the best but not top 5.
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In order to be top-5 he is going to have to win an MVP or two and at least one ring
it's certainly possible...he just has to keep improving