Seriously Derrick Rose can be Allen Iverson if he tried
It isn't hard to be an Allen Iverson, any good scorer can score at Iverson's numbers if they let go of their FG%, rebounding, assists, and defense.
If Derrick Rose decided to become selfish and a cancer, he can focus purely on scoring, ignore passing, defense, team work, and most importantly, his efficiency. He can shoot 8 more shots per game that gets him to 30+ PPG, and his fg% would drop to Iverson's career average of 43%.
It isn't hard to be an Iverson. Heck, Westbrook, Deron Williams, and alot other players can be Iverson too by chucking alot and ignore teamwork and defense.
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Allen Iverson is actually a good comparison for Derrick Rose.
Except he's bigger, stronger, faster, MAYBE quicker ... can leap and has better body control.
Has better basketball skills, has a higher bball IQ, already probably a better defender and cares purely about winning and does whatever his team needs him to do to win.
Derrick Rose is a bigger, improved version of Allen Iverson.
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I never liked AI, but the level of the disrespect he gets here is incredible.
A [I]cancer[/I] doesn't win an MVP and lead his team to the Finals.
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He can be what 75% of ISH thought he was, but will never be what Allen Iverson really was or what AI was capable of being with out David Stern tearing down his career.
Coming from a Bulls fan, Allen Iverson had the potential to be the GOAT and im serious. He alone took the 76ers to the finals with his second option being who? Larry Hughes?
Come on, the second best player on that team was Dikembe Mutombo and he got shit on by shaq.
I don't see DRose getting us to the finals this year and DRose actually has good backup.
I feel that many posters on this board underrate what dedication and heart Allen Iverson spilled on to this game of basketball. Iverson wasn't just good not only because people liked seeing the shortest guy on the court dominating, but because he did the impossible and unthinkable and he always somehow got his team through.
We will never see another guy under 6 feet tall devour teams like AI did and I will be amazed if we do as long as im alive.
Just my 2 cents.
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[QUOTE=chains5000]but the level of the disrespect he gets here is incredible.
A [I]cancer[/I] doesn't win an MVP and lead his team to the Finals.[/QUOTE]
Agree with this as well. Would rep if I could. If Iverson had a better mind set for the game. Think current Derrick Rose if he still wanted to score ... or if he was a pass first PG ala Nash, Kidd, CP3, Deron Williams with that type of mindset he would've been insane. Problem is ... he actually wasn't a great passer. Didn't have the best court vision for a PG. He truly was a SG stuck in a PGs body. Rose skill set can play elements of both guard spots. Which is what he's having to do for Chicago, anyway.
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[QUOTE=chains5000]I never liked AI, but the level of the disrespect he gets here is incredible.
A [I]cancer[/I] doesn't win an MVP and lead his team to the Finals.[/QUOTE]
..and pull out an epic win over a team that hasn't lost in the entire playoffs.
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why would rose want to be like the most selfish idiot in nba history
if iverson would have accepted his role as a 5 foot 11 point guard instead of always trying to be a 6foot6 shooting guard. maybe his teams would have done a bit better
atleast rose understands how to meet half way
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[QUOTE=LosBulls]He can be what Allen Iverson was, but will never be what Allen Iverson was capable of being. Coming from a Bulls fan, Allen Iverson had the potential to be the GOAT and im serious. He alone took the 76ers to the finals with his second option being who? Larry Hughes?
Come on, the second best player on that team was Dikembe Mutombo and he got shit on by shaq.
I don't see DRose getting us to the finals this year and DRose actually has good backup.
I feel that many posters on this board underrate what dedication and heart Allen Iverson spilled on to this game of basketball. Iverson wasn't just good because people liked seeing the shortest guy on the court dominating, he did the impossible and unthinkable.
We will never see another guy under 6 feet tall devour teams like AI did and I will be amazed if we do as long as im alive.
Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]
The East is a lot more competitive NOW than it was back then though.
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[QUOTE=griffmoney1784]why would rose want to be like the most selfish idiot in nba history
if iverson would have accepted his role as a 5 foot 11 point guard instead of always trying to be a 6foot6 shooting guard. maybe his teams would have done a bit better
atleast rose understands how to meet half way[/QUOTE]
Anybody who's seen AI play knows he was better at SG.
Re: Seriously Derrick Rose can be Allen Iverson if he tried
[QUOTE=griffmoney1784]why would rose want to be like the most selfish idiot in nba history
if iverson would have accepted his role as a 5 foot 11 point guard instead of always trying to be a 6foot6 shooting guard. maybe his teams would have done a bit better
atleast rose understands how to meet half way[/QUOTE]
This is actually a pretty solid post. Which is what I was getting at with my last post.
With that said Iverson is still criminally underrated on these boards by knuckle heads and youngins who only saw him in Detroit and Memphis after he became an alcoholic gambling junkie and threw away his career.
He had loads of talent, and what I enjoyed seeing more was LOADS of heart.
Rose is somewhere in the middle. Not near as naturally explosive. But he's more effecient, and might be a better winner. Not as individually dominant, but knows how to play the team game while still getting his.
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[QUOTE=Go Getter]The East is a lot more competitive NOW than it was back then though.[/QUOTE]
This as well.
Ray Allen / Glenn Robinson's Milwaukee Bucks, Jason Kidd's New Jersey Nets, OLD Reggie Miller's Indiana Pacers and Vince Carter's Toronto Raptors
Aren't beating
Dwyane Wade / LeBron James / Chris Bosh's Miami Heat, The Big Five's Boston Celtics, and Dwight Howard's Orlando Magic
Re: Seriously Derrick Rose can be Allen Iverson if he tried
[QUOTE=griffmoney1784]why would rose want to be like the most selfish idiot in nba history
if iverson would have accepted his role as a 5 foot 11 point guard instead of always trying to be a 6foot6 shooting guard. maybe his teams would have done a bit better
atleast rose understands how to meet half way[/QUOTE]
If Iverson would of "accepted his role" he would of been out of the NBA years ago and the 76ers wouldn't of accomplished shit for 20 years.
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[QUOTE=Samurai Swoosh]This as well.
Ray Allen / Glenn Robinson's Milwaukee Bucks, Jason Kidd's New Jersey Nets, OLD Reggie Miller's Indiana Pacers and Vince Carter's Toronto Raptors
Aren't beating
Dwyane Wade / LeBron James / Chris Bosh's Miami Heat, The Big Five's Boston Celtics, and Dwight Howard's Orlando Magic[/QUOTE]
IIRC Kidd was still in Phoenix.
Re: Seriously Derrick Rose can be Allen Iverson if he tried
[QUOTE=LosBulls]He can be what Allen Iverson was, but will never be what Allen Iverson was capable of being. Coming from a Bulls fan, Allen Iverson had the potential to be the GOAT and im serious. He alone took the 76ers to the finals with his second option being who? Larry Hughes?
Come on, the second best player on that team was Dikembe Mutombo and he got shit on by shaq.
I don't see DRose getting us to the finals this year and DRose actually has good backup.
I feel that many posters on this board underrate what dedication and heart Allen Iverson spilled on to this game of basketball. Iverson wasn't just good because people liked seeing the shortest guy on the court dominating, he did the impossible and unthinkable.
We will never see another guy under 6 feet tall devour teams like AI did and I will be amazed if we do as long as im alive.
Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]
Hughes was a Golden State Warrior when the Sixers went to the Finals.
Topic: Having watched him more in his breakout season, Rose does remind a lot of Iverson. As was alluded above, he's a bigger version and moderately more efficient with much better intangibles but obviously not as explosive either. Also, to whatever extent Rose can be considered a legitimate PG, he's definitely more of one than Iverson, though AI did play point sometimes.