Kobe's response to PJ comparing him to MJ.
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Kobe's response to PJ comparing him to MJ.
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15 yrs later ni66az still comparing kobe and MJ.. meanwhile LBJ not even the best player on his team (bosh >>> )
so insecurrr
However one feels about the Kobe vs MJ discussion, Kobe does have a point here. MJ and Kobe played the majority of their respective careers under vastly different circumstances.
What's wrong with comparing apples to oranges?:confusedshrug:
Comparing apples to oranges: a randomised prospective study
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Kobe acts like playing with Shaq was a burden on him?
Bitch he carried you for 3 titles.
[QUOTE=LongLiveTheKing]Kobe acts like playing with Shaq was a burden on him?
Bitch he carried you for 3 titles.[/QUOTE]
This. LOL. Wow, even after all these years, he's still an ignorant ******.
[QUOTE=LongLiveTheKing]Kobe acts like playing with Shaq was a burden on him?
Bitch he carried you for 3 titles.[/QUOTE]
inb4 Kobe-tards say Kobe led Shaq to 3 titles and Scottie led MJ to 6 titles :lol
If MJ played with Shaq there would be no comparison between Kobe and MJ. Kobe would have maybe 1 or 2 rings while MJ would have atleast 7.
I never get that saying because people compare them all the time when it comes to a better fruit. :confusedshrug:
An apple's an apple and an orange is an orange. Kobe's a shooting guard and Michael was a shooting guard. Good one Kobe.
I doubt I'd be too offended if someone implied Michael Jordan was better than me.
What point is he trying to make with Shaq, exactly? If he didn't play with Shaq he'd have 2 rings and even less people would compare him with MJ.
And Kobe is a fcuking idiot for saying the comparisons are apples to oranges, they are as fcuking close to apples to apples as you can get.
- Same height (6'6")
- Same position (SG)
- Stacked teams (Pippen/Shaq)
- Same HC (Phil Jackson)
The only difference is that Kobe wasn't the best player on his stacked team, where Jordan was... And Michael would still be the best player if Shaq was his teammate.
[QUOTE=CanYouDigIt]Kobe's response to PJ comparing him to MJ.
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I don't understand what kobe is getting at...if jordan had had a shaq-like player from 87-89 he would have 3 more rings most likely. Jordan is in a totally different league to kobe. (not that that's disrespcting kobe, it's just how great jordan was).
[QUOTE=LongLiveTheKing]Kobe acts like playing with Shaq was a burden on him?
Bitch he carried you for 3 titles.[/QUOTE]
Maybe you were born in 01 or 02 so you probably don't know about the playoff series verses the Spurs those years.
Hate it or love it, KB has a point.
If mike came in the league out of HS and was playing with the most dominant force ever and played in Phil's system,
And
Kobe came in after playing college ball and had great players and a great system (similar to 09/10) and his whole career he played with someone of SP level along with a great supporting cast
It would be different. Nobody is saying kobe would be better or anything. I'm not saying that, simply saying that it would be different.
Let's be real, an 18 yr out of HS would be shaqs #2 option too.
Look at Kobe's numbers on those 3 peats. Compare them to the numbers he put them as a #1 option. Imagine if M was sharing the ball with shaq.
So he has a point. In terms of careers, apples and oranges.
You don't know if playing with shaq made a positive, negative, or neutral impact on Kobe's career/talent and to what extent the same way we don't know what playing in M's situation would have done for Kb
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Maybe you were born in 01 or 02 so you probably don't know about the playoff series verses the Spurs those years.[/QUOTE]
Shaq was still the best player in all 3 championships.
[QUOTE=MJ(Mean John)]Hate it or love it, KB has a point.
If mike came in the league out of HS and was playing with the most dominant force ever and played in Phil's system,
And
Kobe came in after playing college ball and had great players and a great system (similar to 09/10) and his whole career he played with someone of SP level along with a great supporting cast
It wouldn't be different. Nobody is saying kobe would be better or anything. I'm not saying that, simply saying that it would be different.
Let's be real, an 18 yr out of HS would be shaqs #2 option too.
Look at Kobe's numbers on those 3 peats. Compare them to the numbers he put them as a #1 option. Imagine if M was sharing the ball with shaq.
So he has a point. In terms of careers, apples and oranges.
You don't know if playing with shaq made a positive, negative, or neutral impact on Kobe's career/talent and to what extent the same way we don't know what playing in M's situation would have done for Kb[/QUOTE]
yes very well said
[QUOTE=MJ(Mean John)]Hate it or love it, KB has a point.
If mike came in the league out of HS and was playing with the most dominant force ever and played in Phil's system,
And
Kobe came in after playing college ball and had great players and a great system (similar to 09/10) and his whole career he played with someone of SP level along with a great supporting cast
It wouldn't be different. Nobody is saying kobe would be better or anything. I'm not saying that, simply saying that it would be different.
Let's be real, an 18 yr out of HS would be shaqs #2 option too.
Look at Kobe's numbers on those 3 peats. Compare them to the numbers he put them as a #1 option. Imagine if M was sharing the ball with shaq.
So he has a point. In terms of careers, apples and oranges.
You don't know if playing with shaq made a positive, negative, or neutral impact on Kobe's career/talent and to what extent the same way we don't know what playing in M's situation would have done for Kb[/QUOTE]
Then it gets to the point of which players can we compare? No one?
Yes, because being carried to those 3 championships severely damaged Kobe's legacy. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=LongLiveTheKing]Shaq was still the best players in all 3 championships.[/QUOTE]
That doesn't mean he was carried. Kobe was the best player in two very important series vs the Spurs.
[QUOTE=NumberSix]Yes, because being carried to those 3 championships severely damaged Kobe's legacy. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
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Shaq is the reason why Kobetards can say "5 ringz!!!" and make moronic Jordan comparisons.
Kobe and his fanbase are ungrateful SOB's.
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]That doesn't mean he was carried. Kobe was the best player in two very important series vs the Spurs.[/QUOTE]
Shaq was the best in the most important series: The Finals.
[QUOTE=Killbot]Then it gets to the point of which players can we compare? No one?[/QUOTE]
How many times do you run into a prime shaq?
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]That doesn't mean he was carried. Kobe was the best player in two very important series vs the Spurs.[/QUOTE]
How do you figure?
[QUOTE=chosen_wun]Shaq is the reason why Kobetards can say "5 ringz!!!" and make moronic Jordan comparisons.
Kobe and his fanbase are ungrateful SOB's.[/QUOTE]
what ..Kobe fueled the comeback that started the 3 peat....
kobe dominated the Playoffs in 01' and 02' along with Shaq....
so many jimmies...so many rustled
[QUOTE=LongLiveTheKing]Kobe was the best in the most important series: The WCFinals.[/QUOTE]
fixed
EC sucked azz in the early 2000's...unless you think Smits Pacers ,Ai's sixers and Kidds nets were better then Pippens Blazers ,Duncan's Spurs, SAC Kings and KG's Wolves
That may be but facts are still facts:
Jordan = 6 rings on 6 finals appearances
Kobe = 5 rings on 7 finals appearances
Jordan = 6 FMVP on 6 finals appearances
Kobe = [B][U]2[/U][/B] FMVP on [B][U]7[/U][/B] finals appearances
No apples to oranges there... just pure facts.
[QUOTE=jzek]That may be but facts are still facts:
Jordan = 6 rings on 6 finals appearances
Kobe = 5 rings on 7 finals appearances
[B]
Jordan = 6 FMVP on 6 finals appearances[/B]
Kobe = [B][U]2[/U][/B] FMVP on [B][U]7[/U][/B] finals appearances
No apples to oranges there... just pure facts.[/QUOTE]
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: how dare people mention KoMe's name in the same sentence as the great MJ.
[QUOTE=MJ(Mean John)]Hate it or love it, KB has a point.
If mike came in the league out of HS and was playing with the most dominant force ever and played in Phil's system,
And
Kobe came in after playing college ball and had great players and a great system (similar to 09/10) and his whole career he played with someone of SP level along with a great supporting cast
It would be different. Nobody is saying kobe would be better or anything. I'm not saying that, simply saying that it would be different.
Let's be real, an 18 yr out of HS would be shaqs #2 option too.
Look at Kobe's numbers on those 3 peats. Compare them to the numbers he put them as a #1 option. Imagine if M was sharing the ball with shaq.
So he has a point. In terms of careers, apples and oranges.
You don't know if playing with shaq made a positive, negative, or neutral impact on Kobe's career/talent and to what extent the same way we don't know what playing in M's situation would have done for Kb[/QUOTE]
Playing with Shaq for 6 years was a huge, huge, huge positive. To suggest otherwise is extremely disingenuous. Trying to account for differences in career just makes things worse for Kobe, not better.
Kobe was "drafted" to one of the best teams in the league, and spent 13-14 or so years with championship caliber talent, from that he produced 5 rings.
Jordan was drafted to the worst team in the league, and spent 6-7 years or so with championship caliber talent, from that he produced 6 rings.
Huge difference, but it's not in favor of Kobe at all.
[QUOTE=jlip]However one feels about the Kobe vs MJ discussion, Kobe does have a point here. MJ and Kobe played the majority of their respective careers under vastly different circumstances.[/QUOTE]
Since when has that stopped anyone from comparisons?
You have Kobe fans, MJ fans, Lebron fans, all they do on this board all day is compare apples to oranges. This board couldn't exist without those comparisons, though they're mostly for entertainment.
No 2 players have the same career path. Of the top superstars, the closest career path is probably Shaq/LeBron.
as kenny smith said shaq allowed one of the best players to go 1v1. If he didnt have shaq he would have been doubled to hell.
I wonder if kobe never played with shaq would he still have that selfish mentality in his prime..
We saw him 07ish-09 when he had a good team in his prime as the man and he played within the system very well not as much hero ball.
The last few years hes been gunning trying to still be the man..with shaq he started gunning when he saw how little credit the second guy gets for winning even if the first guy is the MDE.
Who knows..maybe kobe wouldve evolved into a more team oriented player if he had a pippen or gasol level sidekick his whole career.
This is what I don't really understand. Being compared to the nearly universally agreed upon GOAT should be considered, ya know, a good thing, and a compliment of the highest order. I'm not sure why Kobe and his fans don't realize this.
copied from one of my favorite posters ( Unbiased fan) on another site...
and is 100% correct.
[QUOTE]It's an interesting question. If we were to match them up by age, the Lakers and Bulls look like this.
Lakers:
1997 - Shaq/Freshmen MJ
1998 - Shaq/Sophmore MJ
1999 - Shaq/Junior MJ
2000 - Shaq/ 85' MJ
2001 - Shaq/ 86' MJ
2002 - Shaq/ 87' MJ
2003 - Shaq/ 88' MJ
2004 - Shaq/ 89' MJ/ Malone/ GP
Now assuming Shaq & MJ got along...
2005 - Shaq/ 90' MJ
2006 - Shaq/ 91' MJ
2007 - Shaq/ 92' MJ
2008 - Shaq/ 93' MJ
2009 - Shaq/ 94' MJ
2010 - Shaq/ 95' MJ
Bulls:
1985 - 00' Kobe
1986 - 01' Kobe
1987 - 02' Kobe
1988 - 03' Kobe
1989 - 04' Kobe/ Pip
1990 - 05' Kobe/ Pip
1991 - 06' Kobe/ Pip
1992 - 07' Kobe/ Pip
1993 - 08' Kobe/ Pip
1994 - 09' Kobe/ Pip
1995 - 10' Kobe/ Pip
1996 - 11' Kobe/ Pip
1997 - 12' Kobe/ Pip
1998 - 13' Kobe/ Pip
I think both players would have still been very successful in both scenarios and won 5+ titles each. But like many pointed out, MJ would have less trophies because both he 7 Shaq would be penalized for playing with each other. And in the Finals, the Lakers went through Shaq due to the East being weaker inside. In Western conference series, I think MJ would shine the most. Kobe & Pippen mesh very well, with 2 extra years(94/95), it would be interesting. I definitely see Kobe increasing his MVP total.
Does this change MJ being the GOAT, no. But it does show how perceptions can change, which is what i think Kobe was talking about. Comparing MJ to Kobe's career path is apples & oranges. Just like Magic's to Lebron's would be.[/QUOTE]
- Prime Shaq is not going to take a back seat to a 20 year old unknown Michael Jordan....
- and Jordan would not be shooting 25 times per game...winning scoring titles etc...
- Phsychotic competitive MJ would not let Shaq show up outta shape without significant hazing....
[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]copied from one of my favorite posters ( Unbiased fan) on another site...
and is 100% correct.
- Prime Shaq is not going to take a back seat to a 20 year old unknown Michael Jordan....
- and Jordan would not be shooting 25 times per game...winning scoring titles etc...
- Phsychotic competitive MJ would not let Shaq show up outta shape without significant hazing....[/QUOTE]
Not only that, but imagine if MJ got hurt in a few of those finals series after beasting in the west.. And then Shaq went around flaunting his FMVP in front of MJ. lol, I don't think MJ would respond well to that. Given Shaqs egotistical selfish, bullying attitude MJ might turn on him too and start gunning.
[QUOTE=tpols]Not only that, but imagine if MJ got hurt in a few of those finals series after beasting in the west.. And then Shaq went around flaunting his FMVP in front of MJ. lol, I don't think MJ would respond well to that. Given Shaqs egotistical selfish, bullying attitude MJ might turn on him too and start gunning.[/QUOTE]
again, I'll say it...
it wasn't until Jordan's Bull's started winning that anyone cared about Finals MVP's...( due to Jordan jockers trying to overplay MJ's first few Titles.....after Losing the first half of his career)
the great 80's teams/players didn't invest in FMVP's...no one said Cedrick Maxwell carried Larry bird....or Kareem carried Magic
- But Jordan wins a few titles and all of a sudden[B]...." hey MJ is so much better because he won FMVP's....Magic didn't win FMVP every time...nor did Bird"
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- funny part is.....those 3 players just care about winning.....when comparing " Star" players ( not role players)
" 5 beats 1 " - MJ
This is an instance where Kobe's competitive streak works against him. Because of his mentality, he modeled his game on someone who is widely considered the greatest player of all time. But because of his competitiveness, he not only wanted to play as well as Jordan, but wanted to surpass him. Even if he's older and wiser now, this is a situation that he created for himself, since no one else really gets as many Jordan comparisons as Kobe does. Now that his basketball career is nearing its end, I'm sure he sees the downside to giving himself a nearly impossible goal, even though he got 5 rings from this obsession.