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LBJFTW 05-25-2019 12:58 PM

Who won the most with the least help?
 
Other than MJ winning with no all-stars twice, is Hakeem the next in line for winning it all with the least help?

Objectivity 05-25-2019 01:08 PM

Re: Who won the most with the least help?
 
:kobe:


Meltdown :lol

FKAri 05-25-2019 01:09 PM

Re: Who won the most with the least help?
 
Pippen. 6 rings with no one notable on any of his rosters except maybe Rodman in 96.

Objectivity 05-25-2019 01:11 PM

Re: Who won the most with the least help?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FKAri
Pippen. 6 rings with no one notable on any of his rosters except maybe Rodman in 96.


:lebronamazed:

FireDavidKahn 05-25-2019 01:12 PM

Re: Who won the most with the least help?
 
Bulls + Jordan = championship
Bulls without Jordan = 55 wins

Cavs + LeBron = championship
Cavs without LeBron = 19 wins

:confusedshrug:

3ball 05-25-2019 01:20 PM

Re: Who won the most with the least help?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LBJFTW
Other than MJ winning with no all-stars twice, is Hakeem the next in line for winning it all with the least help?

Only MJ/Kobe won multiple rings with 1 all-star teammate, except Shaq (who had Kobe), and Hakeem (when MJ was out of the league)

So the Jordan "fornat" and skillset wins rings with the least help - we have 8 rings that were won with 1 all-star teammate as of proof... :confusedshrug:

LBJFTW 05-25-2019 01:22 PM

Re: Who won the most with the least help?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FireDavidKahn
Bulls + Jordan = championship
Bulls without Jordan = 55 wins

Cavs + LeBron = championship
Cavs without LeBron = 19 wins

:confusedshrug:


That 55 win team was an entirely differnent team.

3ball 05-25-2019 01:26 PM

Re: Who won the most with the least help?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FireDavidKahn

Cavs + LeBron = championship
Cavs without LeBron = 19 wins


Lebron's teammates play bad with or without him because he reduces everyone to spot-up shooters - weak teams let 1 guy dribble most of the time, so the team collapses without that guy.. Otoh, dynasty teams play great basketball with or without their star because they move the ball instead of having 1 guy dribble it all the time.. great teams develop a great way to play basketball, which exists with or without the star

Otoh, similar to other ball-dominators like Westbrook and Harden, lebron's teams play bad basketball.... people simply ignored it because he had super-teams that were winning the LEast every year..



Quote:

Originally Posted by FireDavidKahn

Bulls + Jordan = championship
Bulls without Jordan = 55 wins


the bulls won 47 games and would've missed the 45-win playoff cut without mj's 33/8/8 in 1989.. that same lottery cast from 89' three-peated from 91-93' - so the 94' Bulls were a lottery cast that had developed the know-how, teamwork and goat brand required of all dynasties.. they managed off teamwork, not talent.
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Manny98 05-25-2019 01:28 PM

Re: Who won the most with the least help?
 
LeBron won in 2013 with 15ppg Wade and 12ppg Bosh

No one else won with this low scoring help

And1AllDay 05-25-2019 01:29 PM

Re: Who won the most with the least help?
 
Pippen elevated Mike Jordan from 96 to 98 after MJ suffered a second round loss

So probably Pippen. especially since he lost Pete Myers after 94 and had to replace him with Mike Jordan.

StrongLurk 05-25-2019 01:29 PM

Re: Who won the most with the least help?
 
Lebron in 2013 and of course 2016 (no all stars, beat 73 win team, lead both teams in all major categories).

Objectivity 05-25-2019 01:29 PM

Re: Who won the most with the least help?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Manny98
LeBron won in 2013 with 15ppg Wade and 12ppg Bosh

No one else won with this low scoring help


I think youre forgeting someone...

Manny98 05-25-2019 01:35 PM

Re: Who won the most with the least help?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Objectivity
I think youre forgeting someone...

No player won with as low scoring second and third options as LeBron did in 2013 that is a fact

Ray Allen hit one shot whoopee!

How many did he score in game 7 of the finals?

I rest my case

Objectivity 05-25-2019 01:36 PM

Re: Who won the most with the least help?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Manny98
No player won with as low scoring second and third options as LeBron did in 2013 that is a fact

Ray Allen hit one shot whoopee!

How many did he score in game 7 of the finals?

I rest my case


How far do they go in 2013 if not for Ray Allen?

And1AllDay 05-25-2019 01:36 PM

Re: Who won the most with the least help?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Manny98
LeBron won in 2013 with 15ppg Wade and 12ppg Bosh

No one else won with this low scoring help


Uh oh :eek:


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