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Everyone has lost their mind on Lebron...
Lebron is BY FAR the best player in the NBA. But let's be real here...he hasn't done enough to unseat MJ. HE STILL HAS HALF HIS CAREER TO GO. Can we wait and watch him do it? He's won ONE title. ONE. Not five.
Because he's beasting and because ESPN has decided this is LEBRON IS BETTER THAN MJ Week (i'm a bit ashamed at some of you jumping on the ESPN bandwagon, that's lame X 100) the season will not be cancelled, and the title will not be handed over on February.
Perspective people. Yes, i also fully expect Lebron to be standing there come June. But i've seen bigger favorites flame out. Chill for a bit. Enjoy the ride, stop trying to say it's over.
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I have seen 0 people suggest he is better than Jordan. He's on his level currently is all I've heard.
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I try to stay away from bspn as much as I can lately. I use si.com much more often. It's not the constant Lebron jizzfest that bspn has become.
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[QUOTE=KyrieTheFuture]I have seen 0 people suggest he is better than Jordan. He's on his level currently is all I've heard.[/QUOTE]
This. When people say he's currently playing at the level of MJ doesn't mean he's better than MJ, everyone knows MJ is better easily career wise.
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People are admiring his current talent, rings and stuff like that doesn't take away from the fact that Lebron is playing the way he is right now.
I don't understand why people need to bring in the ring argument when discussing players. We're talking about their talent and their game, not their achievements as a team. Obviously Lebron is no way better than Jordan career wise but he's playing on that same level right now. Duncan has more rings and better achievements but he's not a better player than Lebron.
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putting empty stats on most stacked team of all time. lebrick really knows how to fool all of you stat geeks into thinking he's the best ever when in reality he's not even the best today. :applause:
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[QUOTE=Nash]People are admiring his current talent, rings and stuff like that doesn't take away from the fact that Lebron is playing the way he is right now.
I don't understand why people need to bring in the ring argument when discussing players. We're talking about their talent and their game, not their achievements as a team. Obviously Lebron is no way better than Jordan career wise but he's playing on that same level right now. Duncan has more rings and better achievements but he's not a better player than Lebron.[/QUOTE]
Because Jordan is Jordan because of his impact and his play OVER TIME. Not for a moment in time. Legends are made over time, not in a second.
And this thought that no one is comparing MJ to Lebron is stupid, we have several threads on the board's first page. Are you kidding?
I'm not even saying he can't get to that level, i'm saying i don't get the need to say it's over. The season is over, Lebron won the title. He is the best ever, like his career is done. ITS NOT DONE.
Let the man work and admire it as he goes.
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[QUOTE=niko]Because Jordan is Jordan because of his impact and his play OVER TIME. Not for a moment in time. Legends are made over time, not in a second.
And this thought that no one is comparing MJ to Lebron is stupid, we have several threads on the board's first page. Are you kidding?
I'm not even saying he can't get to that level, i'm saying i don't get the need to say it's over. The season is over, Lebron won the title. He is the best ever, like his career is done. ITS NOT DONE.
Let the man work and admire it as he goes.[/QUOTE]
He certainly running away with the MVP and they are certainly favorites to win it all.
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[QUOTE=Nash]People are admiring his current talent, [B]rings [/B]and stuff like that doesn't take away from the fact that Lebron is playing the way he is right now.
I don't understand why people need to bring in the ring argument when discussing players. We're talking about their talent and their game, not their achievements as a team. Obviously Lebron is no way better than Jordan career wise but he's playing on that same level right now. Duncan has more rings and better achievements but he's not a better player than Lebron.[/QUOTE]
rings?:D
I see what you are saying and I feel the same way. I don't see him as good career wise than Kobe, Magic or Bird. He still has ways to go but he needs time. He still young and has a good 6 years (approximately could be longer or shorter depending how he develops injuries etc...) to get it.
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[QUOTE=niko]Because Jordan is Jordan because of his impact and his play OVER TIME. Not for a moment in time. Legends are made over time, not in a second.
And this thought that no one is comparing MJ to Lebron is stupid, we have several threads on the board's first page. Are you kidding?
I'm not even saying he can't get to that level, i'm saying i don't get the need to say it's over. The season is over, Lebron won the title. He is the best ever, like his career is done. ITS NOT DONE.
Let the man work and admire it as he goes.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you. But I see no problem in people admiring his talent, the level he's playing at right now and how dominant he is.
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[QUOTE=niko]Because Jordan is Jordan because of his impact and his play OVER TIME. Not for a moment in time. Legends are made over time, not in a second.
And this thought that no one is comparing MJ to Lebron is stupid, we have several threads on the board's first page. Are you kidding?
I'm not even saying he can't get to that level, i'm saying i don't get the need to say it's over. The season is over, Lebron won the title. He is the best ever, like his career is done. ITS NOT DONE.
Let the man work and admire it as he goes.[/QUOTE]
Also I only see one thread you're referring to and it's "LeBron is on MJ Level agree?" which doesn't mean he's better than mj, or come close career wise.
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We will never know they didn't play at the same time nor against each other, Jordan in most minds will be thought of as better (rightfully so) but I don't get why they compare two people from two different generations.
[B][U]Its all about who is the best now and in the future[/U][/B], the past is the past and thats that.Comparing one generation to another is just dumb to many variables.
It's like in boxing everyone says Ali is the best HW ever, well did he fight Tyson or Lennox Lewis and every single great HW thats ever lived? No so its all hypothetical bs
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[QUOTE=Nash]I agree with you. But I see[B] no problem in people admiring his talent,[/B] the level he's playing at right now and how dominant he is.[/QUOTE]
That's not the problem here. Is that people in ESPN and here are saying he's on a level above Jordan when he hasn't prove he is. He has to prove himself in the playoffs yet again to be considered to be on his tier. Magic, Bird and heck even Kobe has proven that. I am pretty sure by the end of this season if he wins it all or depending how he loses in the finals (I won't consider playoffs because I don't anyone from the east beating them) he probably would be on the same tier as Kobe, Magic or Bird.
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A lot of mad men in this thread :lol
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There's a difference between saying LeBron is better all-time and saying he's playing on the level of MJ right now. For example, I rank Kobe higher all-time, but right now LeBron is better than Kobe has ever been.
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[QUOTE=Kurosawa0]There's a difference between saying LeBron is better all-time and saying he's playing on the level of MJ right now. For example, I rank Kobe higher all-time, but right now LeBron is better than Kobe has ever been.[/QUOTE]
there have been multiple guys who have played on that level for parts of a season. What matters is how you sustain it and whether you can raise that level when needed in the playoffs.
Greatness is not found in regular season games...especially when you aren't even leading you team to a dominant record with 2 other HOFers.
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[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]there have been multiple guys who have played on that level for parts of a season. What matters is how you sustain it and whether you can raise that level when needed in the playoffs.[/QUOTE]
he did it last year and let's not act like lebron hasn't been the best for years.
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[QUOTE=BrickingStar]he did it last year and let's not act like lebron hasn't been the best for years.[/QUOTE]
1 outta how many years? what about the year before?
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The only thing that should be definitively argued is whether or not these 50 regular season games are on MJs level. Let's not rewrite his entire career to act like he's always been playing this well, he's had too many playoff blunders to just casually put him on MJs level as player overall after a great title run and 50 regular season games.
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OP keep in mind a lot of people on this board are very early 20s and teens. There is no "perspective" yet for them.
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[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]1 outta how many years? what about the year before?[/QUOTE]
unless you blame lebron for his flaws before 2011 how has he not raised his level before he joined the heat? Guess we should blame kobe for his failures for [B]2004[/B](lol)-2009, 2011,2012, and now 2013
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[QUOTE=BrickingStar]unless you blame lebron for his flaws before 2011 how has he not raised his level before he joined the heat? Guess we should blame kobe for his failures for [B]2004[/B](lol)-2009, 2011,2012, and now 2013[/QUOTE]
yea, you blame Kobe for all his failures...same thing you do with Lebron. You don't just get by on the good things. ih, and Lebron failed in 2011, not just before. That finals was pathetic and we should stop Jordan comparisons for now just because of that.
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Honestly, coming from a die-hard Laker/Kobe fan, Lebron is playing at a level only previously done by MJ.
It's not just the streak, which is very impressive, it's the entire season of consistency. I swear, I can't remember the last time Lebron had what would be considered a "bad game".
MJ still trumps Lebron in my book until he has the kind of playoff success/performances that MJ had. He has absolutely no excuse not to win titles with a roster like he has right now.
****ing amazing.
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[QUOTE=scm5]Honestly, coming from a die-hard Laker/Kobe fan, Lebron is playing at a level only previously done by MJ.
It's not just the streak, which is very impressive, it's the entire season of consistency. I swear, I can't remember the last time Lebron had what would be considered a "bad game".
MJ still trumps Lebron in my book until he has the kind of playoff success/performances that MJ had. He has absolutely no excuse not to win titles with a roster like he has right now.
****ing amazing.[/QUOTE]
guess you never watched Shaq...
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[QUOTE]What matters is how you sustain it and [U][I][B]whether you can raise that level when needed in the playoffs.[/B][/I][/U][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]he did it last year and let's not act like lebron hasn't been the best for years.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]1 outta how many years? what about the year before?[/QUOTE]
He was pretty dominant in the 2011 playoffs aswell, except Finals. Do you remember how dominant and clutch he was against Boston and Chicago? Hitting those 3's in Boston's bench face late in games, hitting clutch shots against Chicago, shutting down Rose...
He laid an egg in the Finals indeed, but would Miami even be there if not for his dominant play in previous rounds? So you can't just say that he sucked or that he didn't sustain or raise his level of play in 2011 playoffs as a whole.
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[QUOTE=LBJ 23]He was pretty dominant in the 2011 playoffs aswell, except Finals. Do you remember how dominant and clutch he was against Boston and Chicago? Hitting those 3's in Boston's bench face late in games, hitting clutch shots against Chicago, shutting down Rose...
He laid an egg in the Finals indeed, but would Miami even be there if not for his dominant play in previous rounds? So you can't just say that he sucked or that he didn't sustain or raise his level of play in 2011 playoffs as a whole.[/QUOTE]
when comparing it to MJ, he sucked in 2011 playoffs...
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[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]guess you never watched Shaq...[/QUOTE]
Right, my bad... I guess I was thinking only of perimeter players.
Shaq didn't get the name MDE for nothing. In his prime, he was just as consistent and dominant as Lebron has been.
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[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]when comparing it to MJ, he sucked in 2011 playoffs...[/QUOTE]
Who is comparing him to MJ though? Kurosawo said he is playing [I][B]right now[/B][/I] on the level of Jordan, not for 2011 playoffs.
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[QUOTE=LBJ 23]Who is comparing him to MJ though? Kurosawo said he is playing [I][B]right now[/B][/I] on the level of Jordan, not for 2011 playoffs.[/QUOTE]
there have been lots of players who have had stretches of domination in the regular season. guess it really doesn't mean much to me.
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[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]
Greatness is not found in regular season games...especially when you aren't even leading you team to a dominant record with 2 other HOFers.[/QUOTE]
What's Kobe's team record this year playing with multiple hall of famers ?? :lol
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[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]there have been lots of players who have had stretches of domination in the regular season. guess it really doesn't mean much to me.[/QUOTE]
lol *jealous laker fan alert*
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[QUOTE=Hank]lol *jealous laker fan alert*[/QUOTE]
No, there have been a lot of players with dominant stretches like this. If you read my above posts, I would say Kobe's dominant stretches are better.
It's Lebron's whole season of dominance and consistency that impresses me more.
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[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]yea, you blame Kobe for all his failures...same thing you do with Lebron. You don't just get by on the good things. ih, and Lebron failed in 2011, not just before. That finals was pathetic and we should stop Jordan comparisons for now just because of that.[/QUOTE]
same with kobe only he had shaq and it was in 2004. So basically russel over MJ for more success THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER and charles barkley entire career is a failure because every season for a INDIVIDUAL player is a failure at a team game because he himself didn't win it all. God your retarded go to some laker forum.
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Statistically, the only peer LeBron has left is MJ. Who the **** do you want the media to compare him to? And stop acting like they're doing it based on this season alone. LeBron has multiple all-time level seasons under his belt, in BOTH regular season and playoffs. And now that he has a ring on top of it, he has more than earned a legit comparison with the GOAT.
This is why Kobe fans will always be cu nts. Nobody's been quicker than them to compare a certain player to MJ. They live for it. But now they're playing the "it's too quick for LeBron" card :oldlol:. Shut up.
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[QUOTE=Indian guy]Statistically, the only peer LeBron has left is MJ. Who the **** do you want the media to compare him to? And stop acting like they're doing this based on this season only. LeBron has multiple all-time level seasons under his belt, in BOTH regular season and playoffs. And now that he has a ring on top of it, he has more than earned a legit comparison with the GOAT.
This is why Kobe fans will always be cu nts. Nobody's been quicker than them to compare a certain player to MJ. They live for it.But now they're playing the "it's too quick for LeBron" card :oldlol:. Shut up.[/QUOTE]
No you
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[QUOTE=Indian guy]Statistically, the only peer LeBron has left is MJ. Who the **** do you want the media to compare him to? And stop acting like they're doing it based on this season alone. LeBron has multiple all-time level seasons under his belt, in BOTH regular season and playoffs. And now that he has a ring on top of it, he has more than earned a legit comparison with the GOAT.
This is why Kobe fans will always be cu nts. Nobody's been quicker than them to compare a certain player to MJ. They live for it. But now they're playing the "it's too quick for LeBron" card :oldlol:. Shut up.[/QUOTE]
Sure, "MJ fan" :oldlol:
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BSPN and all those f4gs at bristol jump on bandwagons super early, especially if they involve the east coast and Lebron's *****. Bunch of trashy boston f4gs is what they are
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[QUOTE=Indian guy]Statistically, the only peer LeBron has left is MJ. Who the **** do you want the media to compare him to? And stop acting like they're doing it based on this season alone. LeBron has multiple all-time level seasons under his belt, in BOTH regular season and playoffs. And now that he has a ring on top of it, he has more than earned a legit comparison with the GOAT.
This is why Kobe fans will always be cu nts. Nobody's been quicker than them to compare a certain player to MJ. They live for it. But now they're playing the "it's too quick for LeBron" card :oldlol:. Shut up.[/QUOTE]
There's more to the game than just stats. Mentally, Lebron has broken down in the past which put him out of the discussion. He's definitely in it now.
When I compare Kobe to MJ, it's not the stats I'm really talking about, MJ has always been a better player across the board. Kobe is just as strong mentally as Jordan, and to me, he's like the Rocky Balboa of the NBA. Kind of an underdog when it comes to the all time greats...
Think about it, when you look at the best players the game has seen:
MJ - Until Lebron came along, probably the most athletic perimeter player ever.
Wilt - From past stories, most likely the most athletic big man ever with incredible physical attributes.
Shaq - 300+ lbs and could move like a SF at times in his prime.
Magic - a 6'9 point guard
Aside from those guys, most of the rest of the Top 10 are generally bigs.
Tim Duncan isn't an incredible physical specimen, but he's long and tall.
Hakeem was also a 7 footer that could move like a SF.
Russell, I can't say too much as I've never seen him play, but they say his wingspan was incredible.
Bird is probably the most like Kobe in regards to his athleticism compared to the rest of the Top 10. He's definitely the least athletic of them all, and I really respect what he was able to do. It's almost as if Luke Walton was able to put up 29/11/7. It makes you wonder "HOW?!".
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Hahaha he called Kobe fans cu nts for not saying Lebron has been at MJs level for a while now! So furious :oldlol: especially rich coming from someone who was calling Durant the better player not too long ago and Rose prior to that
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Wake me up when Lebron has faced a defense like the Bad Boy Pistons/90's Knicks/96' Sonics/Utah Jazz, list goes on and on. MJ posted a majority of his 40-50 pt games against top 10 defenses!!! Lebron scores a majority of his 40-50 pt games against scrub ass teams that couldn't hold any of those team's jock straps.
MJ got consistently triple teamed on a nightly basis. He didn't have a Wade and Bosh to take all the pressure off of him on the offensive side of the ball.
Not to mention he played world class defense, to go with his offense.
Also, when MJ had to play the point one year, he damn near averaged a triple double, and went on a stretch of 10 triple doubles out of 11 games! I bet any money, if he played PG his whole career, he'd eventually get a triple double season. One in which Lebron stans cream their pants over.
Lebron can't play off the ball like MJ. He NEEDS the ball in his hand. Jordan let Pippen take over as the point forward for the betterment of the team, and to bring out Pippen's maximum potential. I guarantee you, if MJ had played the point his whole career, he'd go down as the greatest PG of all time, and have much better all around number than Lebron.
MJ's DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR STATS: 32.5 pts. 8 rebs. 8 assists 3 stls. 1 blk. On 54% shooting.
I don't even want to embarrass Lebron with Jordan's playoff stats. That's TOO easy to do.
NOW RUN AND TELL THAT, HOME BOY!!!