Kobe 1 for 18, LeBron 4 for 11

In a test to determine who is the best player in the league, the most valuable of players, the [b]MVP[/b] award awaits it's destined winner, season after season. An award that says, "You are the greatest player with the greatest impact in the league, and because of this we honor your greatness."

Kobe has won this award once in 18 years (2008).
LeBron has won this award once in 11 years (2009, 2010, 2012, 2013).

1 in 18 is 5.5%
4 in 11 is 36%

Can Kobe win 3 more MVPs to TIE LeBron James for being know as one of the best basketball players of all time, and one of the best basketball players in the league?

MVP totals:
Kareem 6
Jordan 5
Russell 5
LeBron 4
Wilt 4
Duncan 2
Kobe 1

Can Kobe catch Duncan? Can LeBron catch Jordan? Kobe has already shown his greatness with a great team effort and GOAT coach to protect/help him, but can he show his supreme greatness by winning another MVP? Many of the all-time greats have at least 2 Finals MVPs (check) but they also win regular season MVPs. Can Kobe become one of the elite? He is falling behind fast, but will he gain any ground?

A regular season media award defines greatness? :biggums:

People forget context when it comes to LeBrons MVPs, what competition did he have?

[QUOTE=Black and White]A regular season media award defines greatness? :biggums:

People forget context when it comes to LeBrons MVPs, what competition did he have?[/QUOTE]

Look at the validity of the award, you tell me?

MVP totals:
Kareem 6
Jordan 5
Russell 5
LeBron 4
Wilt 4

Looks like a pretty good list to me.

What competition did he have? :lol Good question, way to ether Kobe lol

[QUOTE=TheCorporation]Look at the validity of the award, you tell me?

MVP totals:
Kareem 6
Jordan 5
Russell 5
LeBron 4
Wilt 4

Looks like a pretty good list to me.

What competition did he have? :lol Good question, way to ether Kobe lol[/QUOTE]

Shaq, 1 MVP. Nash 2

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The fact that people just point to one thing whether it be rings, MVPs, stats or whatever to prove one player is better shows that they're a dumbass and aren't capable of forming a proper argument.

If bron played on the same teams as kobe his first 11 years he would have some more rings but less MVPs and vice versa for Kobe. That's why it's just dumb to say 5>2 or 4>1. Context is important because players usually are in compelstely different situations and have completely different circumstances for the most part.

Together Malone & Nash have more MVPs than Kobe, Shaq & Hakeem combined

Moses Malone, Karl Malone & Nash have a combined 7 MVPs

Kobe,Shaq,Duncan & Hakeem have a combined 5 MVPS

MVP is a regular season award, legends are created in the playoffs

weak era

[QUOTE=Black and White]Shaq, 1 MVP. Nash 2

/Thread[/QUOTE]

Not to mention historically by MVP count Nash > Hakeem, Oscar, and West

[QUOTE=Black and White]Shaq, 1 MVP. Nash 2

/Thread[/QUOTE]

Nice try, nothing is perfect. Kawhi Leonard has a Finals MVP, so does Chauncey Billups. Does anyone say...

Billups and Leonoard > Barkely and Malone

No, because people can still be rational. So, my point still stands. Nice try but you're gonna need to bring more than just the boring, tired, old argument.

[QUOTE=Warfan]The fact that people just point to one thing whether it be rings, MVPs, stats or whatever to prove one player is better shows that they're a dumbass and aren't capable of forming a proper argument.

If bron played on the same teams as kobe his first 11 years he would have some more rings but less MVPs and vice versa for Kobe. That's why it's just dumb to say 5>2 or 4>1. Context is important because players usually are in compelstely different situations and have completely different circumstances for the most part.[/QUOTE]

:applause:

[QUOTE=TheCorporation]Nice try, nothing is perfect. Kawhi Leonard has a Finals MVP, so does Chauncey Billups. Does anyone say...

Billups and Leonoard > Barkely and Malone

No, because people can still be rational. So, my point still stands. Nice try but you're gonna need to bring more than just the boring, tired, old argument.[/QUOTE]

Who has ever said FMVP is the end all be all for greatness like youre doing with the MVP? (which completely disregards playoffs lol)

[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]Together Malone & Nash have more MVPs than Kobe, Shaq & Hakeem combined

Moses Malone, Karl Malone & Nash have a combined 7 MVPs

Kobe,Shaq,Duncan & Hakeem have a combined 5 MVPS

MVP is a regular season award, legends are created in the playoffs[/QUOTE]


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[QUOTE=Black and White]Shaq, 1 MVP. Nash 2

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The main reason why Shaq only has one is because he pretty much miss too many games year after year after year.

Kobe 1 for 18
Kobe, Mr. Clutch is 2/7 in NBA Finals, the time when he should step it up. Instead his teammates bailed him out. It show how stack his team were.

[QUOTE=Warfan]The fact that people just point to one thing whether it be rings, MVPs, stats or whatever to prove one player is better shows that they're a dumbass and aren't capable of forming a proper argument.

If bron played on the same teams as kobe his first 11 years he would have some more rings but less MVPs and vice versa for Kobe. That's why it's just dumb to say 5>2 or 4>1. Context is important because players usually are in compelstely different situations and have completely different circumstances for the most part.[/QUOTE]

Lebron passes the eye test of clearly being the best in the league every year, and his MVP is the product of that. Lets not get denial get the best of you. There's nothing being taken out of context there. Those MVPs show that.

[QUOTE=TheCorporation]Nice try, nothing is perfect. Kawhi Leonard has a Finals MVP, so does Chauncey Billups. Does anyone say...

Billups and Leonoard > Barkely and Malone

No, because people can still be rational. So, my point still stands. Nice try but you're gonna need to bring more than just the boring, tired, old argument.[/QUOTE]

You are using MVP as the only argument to define greatness, I then showed you why thats flawed, so you include FMVP in your argument now? You are proving yourself wrong here.....

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