Re: MJ's record without a HOF teammate
[QUOTE=Soundwave]Given how weak the East was when LeBron got to the Finals with the Cavs, sure I think he could've made the Finals with Hughes/Z.
The Bulls pushed the back to back champion Pistons to 6 and 7 games before Pippen was really all that great.[/QUOTE]
Uh, 2nd+ year Pip and Grant were easily better than any iteration of Hughes/Z. You seriously going to argue that Jordan could have taken Larry 40%fg/30%3pt career shooter Hughes --a chucker who happened to play the same position as Jordan-- to the Finals?
Just stop.
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Re: MJ's record without a HOF teammate
Op was so badly owned in his own thread that he should be banned.
Not even worthy of being a Ish troll.
Re: MJ's record without a HOF teammate
[QUOTE=greymatter]Uh, 2nd+ year Pip and Grant were easily better than any iteration of Hughes/Z. You seriously going to argue that Jordan could have taken Larry 40%fg/30%3pt career shooter Hughes --a chucker who happened to play the same position as Jordan-- to the Finals?
Just stop.
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LOL, your mommy is calling you down for dinner. Take a break from the multiple accounts.
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[QUOTE=secund2nun]Yes because Lebron winning the coference title is better than Jordan losing in the first round multiple times dur dur dur. Gotta love MJ fan logic. :roll:[/QUOTE]
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vs.
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Re: MJ's record without a HOF teammate
[QUOTE=greymatter]Uh, 2nd+ year Pip and Grant were easily better than any iteration of Hughes/Z. You seriously going to argue that Jordan could have taken Larry 40%fg/30%3pt career shooter Hughes --a chucker who happened to play the same position as Jordan-- to the Finals?
Just stop.
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actually you should be the one that stops posting.
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[QUOTE=Soundwave]The Bulls weren't necessarily the "ideal" mix. Scoring depth if Scottie decided to poop the bed was always suspect causing Jordan to have to carry more of the individual load than Magic/Bird/Isiah ever had to for prolonged periods of time. [/quote]
Wasn't all that "suspect". Bulls always solid shooters on the floor with Jordan in Paxson, Armstrong, Kerr, Kukoc. Grant, Wennington, and Longley all had solid mid-range jumpshots.
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Never got to play with a really talented offensive big either. [/quote]
Largely irrelevent since his teams' offense was built around him and that it would function better with talented [b]defensive[/b] bigs instead. Ironically enough (OK, not really), he was incapable of winning a title without at least an all NBA defensive caliber big (Grant/Rodman).
[quote]Pippen had entire playoff runs where he shot less than 40% for freaking example. Fun fact: In the second threepeat, Scottie Pippen never once shot over 41% for the playoffs, including a 39% shooting clip in the 95-96 playoffs.[/QUOTE]
Must be nice having that luxury when Rodman is giving you 6+ extra offensive possesions per game while stifling the opponent's offense.
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[QUOTE=dh144498]actually you should be the one that stops posting.
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Don't you have a bishop to go polish somewhere? Kobe's sitting somewhere staring lonely at those crutches. I'm sure you could go cheer him up.
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[QUOTE=Soundwave]LOL, your mommy is calling you down for dinner. Take a break from the multiple accounts.[/QUOTE]
Dinner? Ah, makes sense. Either you're a Eurotard or some dumbass who mistakes me as one.
Is that the best comeback you have to offer?
Re: MJ's record without a HOF teammate
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Must be nice having that luxury when Rodman is giving you 6+ extra offensive possesions per game while stifling the opponent's offense.[/QUOTE]
Last time I checked this isn't f*cking soccer, you have to score the basketball multiple times to win in this sport.
To win three consecutive titles with your "no.2 option" shooting less than 42 percent in every playoff run and Rodman basically being useless as a scoring threat for many possessions is not a small feat.
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[QUOTE=hawkfan]Pau Gasol was in that draft. Oops.
Also Chicago wanted to trade Elton Brand for that pick, and MJ was ok with this, but Doug Collins was against it and MJ went with Doug. Oops.[/QUOTE]
If MJ had drafted Pau Gasol instead of Kwame, he would have had a HOF teammate with him.
Re: MJ's record without a HOF teammate
[QUOTE=Soundwave]Last time I checked this isn't f*cking soccer, you have to score the basketball multiple times to win in this sport.
To win three consecutive titles with your "no.2 option" shooting less than 42 percent in every playoff run and Rodman basically being useless as a scoring threat for many possessions is not a small feat.[/QUOTE]
Hardly a big feat either when you're the top defensive and rebounding team in the league.
And on the matter of a #2 shooting 42%. Suddenly that's a huge fcuking obstacle? Not 2 posts ago some imbecile was arguing that Jordan could have taken Hughes to the Finals.
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[QUOTE=greymatter]Hardly a big feat either when you're the top defensive and rebounding team in the league.
And on the matter of a #2 shooting 42%. Suddenly that's a huge fcuking obstacle? Not 2 posts ago some imbecile was arguing that Jordan could have taken Hughes to the Finals.[/QUOTE]
Oh ok, that 95-96 Bulls season was "no big deal".
Thanks for that Einstein. Any other other sh*t filled nuggets you have to share with the rest of class?
Or should we move on to your other accounts and let the stupidity continue there?
Re: MJ's record without a HOF teammate
[QUOTE=Soundwave]Last time I checked this isn't f*cking soccer, you have to score the basketball multiple times to win in this sport.
To win three consecutive titles with your "no.2 option" shooting less than 42 percent in every playoff run and Rodman basically being useless as a scoring threat for many possessions is not a small feat.[/QUOTE]
So defense, playmaking and rebounding don't count? I saw Pippen shoot 1-9 in a game against Pacers in the '98 ECF and completely dominate the shit out of that game causing Mark Jackson to morph into a turnover machine. Same goes for the '98 Finals against the Jazz.
I mean there were even articles about who should get Finals MVP for chrissake.
[url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/events/1998/playoffs/news/1998/06/11/jordan_pippen/[/url]
[url]http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1998-06-11/sports/9806110398_1_scottie-pippen-bulls-karl-malone[/url]
[url]http://www.deseretnews.com/article/635114/What-about-Pippen-for-NBA-Finals-MVP.html?pg=1[/url]
Re: MJ's record without a HOF teammate
[QUOTE=hitmanyr2k]So defense, playmaking and rebounding don't count? I saw Pippen shoot 1-9 in a game against Pacers in the '98 ECF and completely dominate the shit out of that game causing Mark Jackson to morph into a turnover machine. Same goes for the '98 Finals against the Jazz.
I mean there were even articles about who should get Finals MVP for chrissake.
[url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/events/1998/playoffs/news/1998/06/11/jordan_pippen/[/url]
[url]http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1998-06-11/sports/9806110398_1_scottie-pippen-bulls-karl-malone[/url]
[url]http://www.deseretnews.com/article/635114/What-about-Pippen-for-NBA-Finals-MVP.html?pg=1[/url][/QUOTE]
If no one is scoring the basketball you ain't winning anything.
Magic/Bird/Isiah never had to bail their teams out as much as Jordan did during his championship runs because there would be many stretches where he was the only one who could reliably score the basketball.
Basketball isn't soccer or hockey where you can score first and then just shut down and play great defense the rest of the way.
Pippen wasn't even on the floor when Jordan basically willed the Bulls to victory in game six of '98.
It's a nice luxury when your star player is so damn good that your no.2 player can shoot 1-9 and pretty much just focus on playing defense and not have to contribute much offensively. There are not very many NBA teams that would be able to win championships with that formula though.
Re: MJ's record without a HOF teammate
[QUOTE=Soundwave]If no one is scoring the basketball you ain't winning anything.
Magic/Bird/Isiah never had to bail their teams out as much as Jordan did during his championship runs because there would be many stretches where he was the only one who could reliably score the basketball.
Basketball isn't soccer or hockey where you can score first and then just shut down and play great defense the rest of the way.
Pippen wasn't even on the floor when Jordan basically willed the Bulls to victory in game six of '98.
It's a nice luxury when your star player is so damn good that your no.2 player can shoot 1-9 and pretty much just focus on playing defense and not have to contribute much offensively. There are not very many NBA teams that would be able to win championships with that formula though.[/QUOTE]
Well then to be consistent, LeBron's "second best player" Larry Hughes couldn't score (shot 35% through the entire playoffs) and played average defense. He was absolutely worthless.