1. Marc Gasol
2. Brook Lopez
3. Omer Asik
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1. Marc Gasol
2. Brook Lopez
3. Omer Asik
Greg Monroe says know your role
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Andy V. averaging 14/14 for the season so far.
Tim Duncan is the best center in the league right now.
when's monroe going to slide over to the 4 and play alongside drummond???
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[QUOTE=Teanett]1. Marc Gasol
2. Brook Lopez
3. Omer Asik[/QUOTE]
white guy, half white, white, beastie boys Avatar.
i have no idea rather this OP guy is black or white :rolleyes:
Dwight is averaging 18/10/3 so how the **** is Brook Lopez better?
OMG... Greg Monroe is the best center in the league... I had the feeling he was gonna be good... but the "Lamar Odom without the athleticism" predictions killed my buzz on the kid...
Came to post Asik, saw OP, left thread happy.
What about Hibbert?
:(
But seriously, any combination of Marc Gasol, Monroe and Asik is solid.
[QUOTE=Bigsmoke]white guy, half white, white, beastie boys Avatar.
i have no idea rather this OP guy is black or white :rolleyes:
Dwight is averaging 18/10/3 so how the **** is Brook Lopez better?[/QUOTE]
did you watch dwight the last few games? he's terrible right now.
[QUOTE=HylianNightmare]when's monroe going to slide over to the 4 and play alongside drummond???[/QUOTE]
When he can shoot the 18 footer as good as Jason Maxiell.
i thought about monroe but he's team won only three games.
there's no good big men on terrible teams.
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.9 block for a center is utterly pathetic. Is kinda sad when your best centers are playing like these plus Dwight....
Now that I notice something, how the hell is a 7 ft person who avaerages 2 blocks only averaging 6 rebounds? I Know he only plays 30 minutes but still...
dwight gasol duncan.
My favorite position ~ ~ C
I had started the season going like this.......
1. d12
2. Bynum
3. Monroe & Pekovic fighting for this spot.
4. D Jordan
5. David Lee - who gets ignored by everybody for some reason.
Clearly I hadn't reckoned on Varejao, who I can't seem to catch a game, and J Noah who has developed into an elite player (in spite of the fact I can't stand the chumpiness of his ways).
Not accounting for injuries etc., CBS has center "power ratings"... these guys of Teanett are all over the place but [I]they[/I] show it like this:
1 d12
2 Varejao
3. Noah
4. David Lee
[B]5. Marc Gasol[/B]
6. G Monroe
7. A Jefferson
8. Al Horford
9. Cousins
[B]10. B Lopez[/B]
11. Bargnani
12. Kaman
13. B Mullins
[B]14. Asik[/B]
15. Pekovic
16. T Chandler
17. Vucevic
18. Hibbert
19 D Jordan
20 Robin Lopez
[url]http://www.cbssports.com/nba/playerrankings/regularseason/C[/url]
The matchups I want to see in this league right now are these:
[B]D Howard - O Asik[/B]
D12 weakness: not much. Injuries.
Asik weakness: inexperience, possibly physical weakness.
[B]N Pekovic - G Monroe[/B]
Pek weakness: passing, injuries.
Monroe weakness: tendency to overplay early and fade bad in 4q.
[B]B Lopez - J Noah[/B]
Lopez weakness: Have not seen enough; Pekovic destroyed him
Noah weakness: can be shoved around easily, but not much. Defense can be appallingly bad for a center that plays in the NBA. Played Pek to a standoff
M Gasol - A Varejeo
haven't seen these guys this year...
D Lee - Bargnani
D Lee weakness: wants to have teammates but doesn't.
Bargnani - haven't seen but my friends say he is the real thing on a bad team. Just looking at stat line from last night, Monroe had all he could handle and that is saying a lot
we will have some clarity at the C when we have seen those answered; nobody I have seen is close to Howard since Shaq retired (although d12 won't ever be at that level though). I count Timi Dunkin as a PF otherwise clearly he's the best C of the last generation, and possibly since Hakeem.
The best scoring center has been Lopez, who's also been the Nets MVP by a very very large margin. Defensively he's much better and while his rebounding is still disappointing the team's as a whole is fine on the boards which is all that matters.
no Bosh? srsly? fk this thread.
[QUOTE=I<3NBA]no Bosh? srsly? fk this thread.[/QUOTE]
lol that right there is a true fact
[QUOTE=I<3NBA]no Bosh? srsly? fk this thread.[/QUOTE]
eh. everybody knows lebron's the center for the heat. :D
Lopez is going strong this. I have seen almost every Nets game and he is clearly impressive. He has very good post moves as well as he can hit toughest shots over defenders from mid range. His man to man defense & protecting the rim imporved a lot. Rebounding is still problem.
Probably franchise player of Nets. Deron gets all fame but Lopez carries the team both sides of the floor.
If he was black with an attitude, he would be much bigger name right now.:lol
can't leave out Goatkim Noah
[QUOTE=La Frescobaldi]My favorite position ~ ~ C
I had started the season going like this.......
1. d12
2. Bynum
3. Monroe & Pekovic fighting for this spot.
4. D Jordan
5. David Lee - who gets ignored by everybody for some reason.
Clearly I hadn't reckoned on Varejao, who I can't seem to catch a game, and J Noah who has developed into an elite player (in spite of the fact I can't stand the chumpiness of his ways).
Not accounting for injuries etc., CBS has center "power ratings"... these guys of Teanett are all over the place but [I]they[/I] show it like this:
1 d12
2 Varejao
3. Noah
4. David Lee
[B]5. Marc Gasol[/B]
6. G Monroe
7. A Jefferson
8. Al Horford
9. Cousins
[B]10. B Lopez[/B]
11. Bargnani
12. Kaman
13. B Mullins
[B]14. Asik[/B]
15. Pekovic
16. T Chandler
17. Vucevic
18. Hibbert
19 D Jordan
20 Robin Lopez
[url]http://www.cbssports.com/nba/playerrankings/regularseason/C[/url]
The matchups I want to see in this league right now are these:
[B]D Howard - O Asik[/B]
D12 weakness: not much. Injuries.
Asik weakness: inexperience, possibly physical weakness.
[B]N Pekovic - G Monroe[/B]
Pek weakness: passing, injuries.
Monroe weakness: tendency to overplay early and fade bad in 4q.
[B]B Lopez - J Noah[/B]
Lopez weakness: Have not seen enough; Pekovic destroyed him
Noah weakness: can be shoved around easily, but not much. Defense can be appallingly bad for a center that plays in the NBA. Played Pek to a standoff
M Gasol - A Varejeo
haven't seen these guys this year...
D Lee - Bargnani
D Lee weakness: wants to have teammates but doesn't.
Bargnani - haven't seen but my friends say he is the real thing on a bad team. Just looking at stat line from last night, Monroe had all he could handle and that is saying a lot
we will have some clarity at the C when we have seen those answered; nobody I have seen is close to Howard since Shaq retired (although d12 won't ever be at that level though). I count Timi Dunkin as a PF otherwise clearly he's the best C of the last generation, and possibly since Hakeem.[/QUOTE]
Putting Varejeo, pekovic, jordan, Noah, Lee, and cousins over Lopez is extreme disrespect. He's a more potent scorer than any center in the entire league and hes one of the best shotblockers. His man defense isnt great but his rim protection and scoring alone have so much impact on the game.
And he looks so much stronger than he did the past two years. Dude looks legitamately jacked. 7-0+ with awkwardly long length and 270 lbs to throw around.
[QUOTE=Basketbolero]Tim Duncan is the best center in the league right now.[/QUOTE]
By a mile.
[QUOTE=tpols]Putting Varejeo, pekovic, jordan, Noah, Lee, and cousins over Lopez is extreme disrespect. He's a more potent scorer than any center in the entire league and hes one of the best shotblockers. His man defense isnt great but his rim protection and scoring alone have so much impact on the game.
And he looks so much stronger than he did the past two years. Dude looks legitamately jacked. 7-0+ with awkwardly long length and 270 lbs to throw around.[/QUOTE]
Yeah that's CBS sports list, not mine.... but I would like to see that cat gain some more weight, Pekovic threw him around like a medicine ball the other night
As much as he's criticized, give Stern credit for removing the mandatory All-Star spot for centers.
[QUOTE=Teanett]did you watch dwight the last few games? he's terrible right now.[/QUOTE]
2 games in a completely new system. Nice logic
[QUOTE=tpols]Putting Varejeo, pekovic, jordan, Noah, Lee, and cousins over Lopez is extreme disrespect. He's a more potent scorer than any center in the entire league and hes one of the best shotblockers. His man defense isnt great but his rim protection and scoring alone have so much impact on the game.
And he looks so much stronger than he did the past two years. Dude looks legitamately jacked. 7-0+ with awkwardly long length and 270 lbs to throw around.[/QUOTE]
Varejao being ahead of Lopez is "disrespect?" It is actually quite the opposite.
Varejao is getting no respect in this thread. The guy is averaging 14/14 on great efficiency and solid man and help defense and he has barely been mentioned. He also put 35/19 on Lopez in their only head to head match up. Totally outplayed him.
[QUOTE=Bigsmoke]2 games in a completely new system. Nice logic[/QUOTE]
well, the thread states "right now", you fukking imbecile.
you should change your title from "last nikka" to "dumbest asshole", yer dumb fukk.
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]Varejao being ahead of Lopez is "disrespect?" It is actually quite the opposite.
Varejao is getting no respect in this thread. The guy is averaging 14/14 on great efficiency and solid man and help defense and he has barely been mentioned. He also put 35/19 on Lopez in their only head to head match up. Totally outplayed him.[/QUOTE]
ya what I been sayin.... I have NOT been able to catch him on tv... i hadn't watched highlight reels in [I]so long[/I] because that's just Fool's Game.
But I'm resorting to them just to see this guy, everyone I respect that is watching him says he is the real deal
Marc Gasol is the best center in the nba at this moment.
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]Varejao being ahead of Lopez is "disrespect?" It is actually quite the opposite.
Varejao is getting no respect in this thread. The guy is averaging 14/14 on great efficiency and solid man and help defense and he has barely been mentioned. He also put 35/19 on Lopez in their only head to head match up. Totally outplayed him.[/QUOTE]
I watched that entire game and yes Varejeo played better than Lopez but a)that game was a total fluke.. Lopez is far, far more likely to drop 30 than varejeo is and b)kyrie was going HAM that game hitting varejeo for layup after layup after splitting our defense right down the seams. Lopez has shit on LA over the past couple years including hanging like 40 on Bynum one time but I'm not going to jump to conclusions over one or two head to heads. Just like Deron has gotten the btetter of CP recently but I would take paul in a second over him.
Lopez>Varejeo and this wont be much of a comparison by the end of the season barring injury to either one of them. Better rim protection, much better and consistent scorer, and most importantly he's younger and is just entering his prime.
The Nets along with pretty much any other gm in the league would never ever take Varejeo over Lopez unless they were competing for the top lottery pick.
Someone that is allergic to rebounding should not be considered as a TOP nba center.
I think its Marc Gasol as well. but people laughing at Brook's rebounding numbers, why arent they laughing at Marc's rebounding numbers as well?
[QUOTE=tpols]I watched that entire game and yes Varejeo played better than Lopez but a)that game was a total fluke.. Lopez is far, far more likely to drop 30 than varejeo is and b)kyrie was going HAM that game hitting varejeo for layup after layup after splitting our defense right down the seams. Lopez has shit on LA over the past couple years including hanging like 40 on Bynum one time but I'm not going to jump to conclusions over one or two head to heads. Just like Deron has gotten the btetter of CP recently but I would take paul in a second over him.
Lopez>Varejeo and this wont be much of a comparison by the end of the season barring injury to either one of them. Better rim protection, much better and consistent scorer, and most importantly he's younger and is just entering his prime.
The Nets along with pretty much any other gm in the league would never ever take Varejeo over Lopez unless they were competing for the top lottery pick.[/QUOTE]
Ridiculous. Varejao just had a 19/17 game last night and Kyrie is currently injured, so it is pretty funny that you're trying to chalk up all of his success to Kyrie.
That game was only a "fluke" to those who do not watch Varejao on a regular basis. Here are some of his statlines so far this year, and we are only 12 games into the season...
20 points, 17 rebounds @ Milwaukee
19 points, 16 rebounds vs. Philadelphia
35 points, 18 rebounds @ Brooklyn
9 points, 23 rebounds, 9 assists vs. Washington
15 points, 15 rebounds @ Clippers
14 points, 15 rebounds @ Philadelphia
14 points, 10 rebounds @ Phoenix
And, there is a reason Varejao's highest scoring game came against Brooklyn... Lopez's defense was utterly pathetic.
Varejao > Lopez
Especially if you are going by just this season (as this thread is), it isn't close.
based on recent play:
1. Duncan
2. bosh
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]
Varejao > Lopez
[/QUOTE]
19/6, 3 blocks per game on 56% shooting as the highest impact player on a 7-4 team
versus
14/14, .4(:oldlol: ) blocks per game on 52% shooting as the, I guess now that Kyrie is out, highest impact player on a 3-9 team.
And Varejeo plays 6 minutes more per game or 20% more time on the court. The fact that you're acting like varejeo is clearly better is a fvcking joke.
All Varejeo does better than Lopez is rebound/pass the ball and play man defense. Lopez is far, far better at defending the rim which is one of the most important attributes a center could have. Varejeo's pathetic lack of blocks and rim protection definitely negatively impact the cavs success more than Lopez' lack of rebounding does to the Nets who have competent rebounders surrounding him. And scoring isnt close. Lopez with a massive edge in volume and signifigant edge in efficiency.
Like i said Lopez is and will be better this year.. Ill bet anything on it and this thread will be bumped for laughs later.
[QUOTE=tpols]19/6, 3 blocks per game on 56% shooting as the highest impact player on a 7-4 team
versus
14/14, .4(:oldlol: ) blocks per game on 52% shooting as the, I guess now that Kyrie is out, highest impact player on a 3-9 team.
And Varejeo plays 6 minutes more per game or 20% more time on the court. The fact that you're acting like varejeo is clearly better is a fvcking joke.
All Varejeo does better than Lopez is rebound/pass the ball and play man defense. Lopez is far, far better at defending the rim which is one of the most important attributes a center could have. Varejeo's pathetic lack of blocks and rim protection definitely negatively impact the cavs success more than Lopez' lack of rebounding does to the Nets who have competent rebounders surrounding him. And scoring isnt close. Lopez with a massive edge in volume and signifigant edge in efficiency.
Like i said Lopez is and will be better this year.. Ill bet anything on it and this thread will be bumped for laughs later.[/QUOTE]
Once again, the thread is about where the players are right now, not what your personal opinion is by the end of the season. You would have to be utterly insane not to give Varejao the nod at this stage of the season.
Varejao's "pathetic lack of blocks" is really going to be your sticking point?
Varejao gets over double the amount of rebounds per game as compared to Lopez, which is absolutely crucial for a big man. The disparity in scoring isn't nearly as large as the disparity in rebounding. Varejao leads the entire league in rebounding... Does that not count for much these days? I've always felt rebounding was a rather important aspect of the game, especially for a big man.
Varejao is a FAR superior rebounder, a far superior passer, a far superior individual man defender.
Lopez five more points on three more shots per game and he blocks shots better.
And, furthermore, Varejao embarrassed the guy head-to-head. Nothing more to see here.
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]Ridiculous. Varejao just had a 19/17 game last night and Kyrie is currently injured, so it is pretty funny that you're trying to chalk up all of his success to Kyrie.
That game was only a "fluke" to those who do not watch Varejao on a regular basis. Here are some of his statlines so far this year, and we are only 12 games into the season...
20 points, 17 rebounds @ Milwaukee
19 points, 16 rebounds vs. Philadelphia
35 points, 18 rebounds @ Brooklyn
9 points, 23 rebounds, 9 assists vs. Washington
15 points, 15 rebounds @ Clippers
14 points, 15 rebounds @ Philadelphia
14 points, 10 rebounds @ Phoenix
And, there is a reason Varejao's highest scoring game came against Brooklyn... Lopez's defense was utterly pathetic.
Varejao > Lopez
Especially if you are going by just this season (as this thread is), it isn't close.[/QUOTE]
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