Tristan Thompson last year and now Waiters. Either they see something people don't or they just suck.
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Tristan Thompson last year and now Waiters. Either they see something people don't or they just suck.
I think they just suck.
i'm not sold on tristan thompson either. he reminded me of a tyrus thomas, and very raw/inconsistent. tyrus isn't too bad but i'd expect better at that pick. this pick is odd since i don't remember reading anyone having him there...
Yolo
Example of why bad teams stay bad.
No matter what Stern does, no matter how many veto's Stern makes, teams are gonna stay sucking
[QUOTE=Nash]Tristan Thompson last year and now Waiters. Either they see something people don't or they just suck.[/QUOTE]
But a lot of people see something in Waiters so I don't know what to make of this thread. lol
And people wonder why LeBron left.
[quote=Nash]Tristan Thompson last year and now Waiters. Either they see something people don't or they just suck.[/quote]
Pretty sure they use alot of 'money ball' stuff.
TT was pretty solid last season though, and Waiters could be great.
[QUOTE=CelticBaller]Yolo[/QUOTE]
:lol , but its only 1 year, Tristan has plenty of time to become better and I guess they see something in Waiters
Wish kendal went to another team.
[QUOTE=CelticBaller]Yolo[/QUOTE]
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Dion can get to the rack at will unlike I've ever seen. I understand the Wade comparisons in the regard. It'll be interesting to see how he pairs with Kyrie in terms of penetration. You're gonna have to have a stellar back court D to stop them both.
I don't f*cking know anymore man. I guess we'll see though. I like that we traded the rest of our picks for Zeller though. I think Zeller is going to be a very solid center in the league. Borderline all-star at times maybe.
Did you guys even watch the games? Tristan ended up being a pretty good player. Varejao coaching him all year and he held his own as an undersized center (we had no choice but to play him there). Freaky athletic too. No way he ends up being Tyrus 2.0
I think Thompson is gonna pan out. He is definitely better than Tyrus. It'll be interesting to see what Val does in Toronto, though.
[QUOTE=jbryan1984]Did you guys even watch the games? Tristan ended up being a pretty good player. Varejao coaching him all year and he held his own as an undersized center (we had no choice but to play him there). Freaky athletic too. No way he ends up being Tyrus 2.0[/QUOTE]
You guys passed up Valanciunas, maybe I'll eat my crow after we see him play this year but Valanciunas >>> Thompson by far. I don't think anyone is saying Thompson is some scrub who should be in the D-League and is a huge bust, but it was a mistake by passing up Valanciunas to get Thompson.
tyler f*cking zeller?
when the hell was the last time a white american center was any good in this league?
david lee? cool, that get me super excited :facepalm
what the f*ck.
dion waiter? we passed on barnes, drummond, ross, for dion waiters?
this dude will never be dwayne wade....
god damnit... tyler f*cking zelller?
[QUOTE=LBJMVP]tyler f*cking zeller?
when the hell was the last time a white american center was any good in this league?
david lee? cool, that get me super excited :facepalm
what the f*ck.
dion waiter? we passed on barnes, drummond, ross, for dion waiters?
this dude will never be dwayne wade....
god damnit... tyler f*cking zelller?[/QUOTE]
i feel the same about waiters, but zeller is great for us
we need a center who can shoot, since tristan cant make a thing outside the paint, and ontop of that can get you som buckets down low
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I currently work and attend grad school about 85 miles north of Yolo County. :lol
[QUOTE=chips93]i feel the same about waiters, but zeller is great for us
we need a center who can shoot, since tristan cant make a thing outside the paint, and ontop of that can get you som buckets down low[/QUOTE]
i feel better about the waiter pick then i do about zeller...
cleveland must be very confident about him... jim boheim had some great comments on him as well.. said no one in the nba can guard him one on one unless their name is russell westbrook.
Stoked about getting a true Center.
Zeller/TT starting with AV off the bench as a swing PF/C 6th Man.
Not too thrilled that we went with an undersized shooting guard as our main pick, but we will have to wait and see how he does.
Overall I am not at all disappointed with this draft.
Zeller will be Z 2.0
Cunningham will probably end up being better than Waiters in the long term.
Zeller was ****ing stellar value, I was screaming for Bird to move up for him. Not sure I buy him as long term starter at the 5 but he's a perfect major minute 3rd big at either frontcourt spot.
Waiters was just ****ing dumb though.
Waiters is super nice, you guys will see & I hate the Cavs.
Could have selected Robinson, Barnes or Drummond but no.... :lol
If i were Kyrie i would be ****ing pissed
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[QUOTE=jbryan1984]Did you guys even watch the games? Tristan ended up being a pretty good player. Varejao coaching him all year and he held his own as an undersized center (we had no choice but to play him there). Freaky athletic too. No way he ends up being Tyrus 2.0[/QUOTE]
I wasn't really dissing ya'll. Just that you guys do it differently, now either you guys or geniuses or not. Still, both Tristan and Waiters got picked by Cavs way too early with some high quality drafts available.
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DINO WAITERS
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also this pick ****ing sucked, lmao @ the Cavs ****ing up twice with the 4th overall
Thompson was 2nd Team All NBA Rookie Last Year. Now, it's not a badge of honor to carry around 2nd Team awards, but it's far from a flop. They drafted three things with Thompson: Energy, Defense, and Rebounding - and he was very good in all 3 areas.
Dion Waiters: Does anyone listen to Fran Frischella? He seems to have this inside niche on Foreign players and other "sleepers". When asked about Dion Waiters vs. Harrison Barnes, he said: "I'd draft Waiters and it's not even close." And he coached Barnes in some under 18 national competition. Jim Boeheim said hands down Waiters is the most talented player he has ever coached at Syracuse :eek: . He was rated as the best one on one talent in this draft and the player most likely to get to the basket in the entire draft. STRANGE SELECTION, no doubt - but this isn't a Darko pick.
[QUOTE=sixer6ad]Thompson was 2nd Team All NBA Rookie Last Year. Now, it's not a badge of honor to carry around 2nd Team awards, but it's far from a flop. They drafted three things with Thompson: Energy, Defense, and Rebounding - and he was very good in all 3 areas.
Dion Waiters: Does anyone listen to Fran Frischella? He seems to have this inside niche on Foreign players and other "sleepers". When asked about Dion Waiters vs. Harrison Barnes, he said: "I'd draft Waiters and it's not even close." And he coached Barnes in some under 18 national competition. Jim Boeheim said hands down Waiters is the most talented player he has ever coached at Syracuse :eek: . He was rated as the best one on one talent in this draft and the player most likely to get to the basket in the entire draft. STRANGE SELECTION, no doubt - but this isn't a Darko pick.[/QUOTE]
In addition, Zeller was the ACC Player of the Year and 2nd Team All American. He was rated the 2nd best center in the draft, and we got him.
So...Chris Grant acquires the NBA Rookie of the Year, and a solid PF last year, and the ACC Player of the Year scoring post and a highly-ranked slasher this year. Everyone is right - the jury is still out. I don't see the reach that everyone is talking about.
[QUOTE=Nash]I wasn't really dissing ya'll. Just that you guys do it differently, now either you guys or geniuses or not. Still, both Tristan and Waiters got picked by Cavs way too early with some high quality drafts available.[/QUOTE]
Still though man, nobody has an idea yet how Jonas V will turn out in the NBA. When it happened last year, I was quite surprised myself, only because I had not heard much about Tristan. But after I saw him play, I was more than impressed. The situation is very similar this year. I have heard of Dion Waiters but did not expect him to go this early, I had every reason to believe we were drafting Barnes. Until they all play, we know nothing. Last year, it looked like a bad draft and it actually saw a lot of good players come out of it.
funny thing is i like waiters, even called him underrated before he started to shoot up draft boards faster than a coke fiend does lines. in regards to pure offense, i think he's the best player of the draft. he has an explosive first step, takes long strides and is a strong finisher. he has a stepback jumper, can split doubles and uses the glass inside. in transition, he's as explosive as you can get for his size.
but #4 overall? he might be way too iso heavy in the league for that. i'm not sold on his defense either. syracuse plays strictly zone so it's hard to gauge that, never mind it being horrible for player development. syracuse doesn't exactly have a good track record as of late.
at #4, i just like taking a safer pick and waiters has too high a bust potential for me at that point. iso heavy, defensive impaired guards in this league generally come off the bench. do you use a #4 pick for a guy that will play 25 mins, maybe more on nights where he has the hot hand? this isn't a harden situation; harden was much more versatile than waiters and he comes with more prototypical size.
waiters shoots way too many 3's for my liking and takes way too many heat checks.
his offensive game is not the part i'd be overly concerned about. it would be his efficiency (goes back to shot selection), defense and ability to handle more minutes.
now, waiters might become a good defender but there isn't a whole lot there to suggest that he'll transition from a zone oriented defense to a more traditional defense swiftly. his steal numbers look good per 40 or whatever but those are inflated and involve gambling. we all know how that can be misleading. he does have quick hands though and was more committed to defense his second year. on the flip side, some of the strips and steals he goes for in college are going to be called fouls in the nba.
let's be real about boeheim btw. he said those words in the last week i believe and he's just backing his guy. are we truly to believe that waiters is more talented than carmelo anthony at the college level? not even a big melo fan but melo was ready from the jump and was instrumental in syracuse winning it all.
i might change my mind later, but early on, waiters and plumelee were the biggest reaches imo.
for those saying we don't know how 'x' player is going to do, apply that to waiters as well. just understand the criticism for now and we can't truly revisit this with a full picture for about three years...could he be the next westbrook? i won't say it's impossible. wb is more explosive but they share similarities in shot selection (shooting early in the shot clock) and not being a natural PG. both don't always hit their teammate in stride or get the offense going. this will be more of a moot point as he'll play SG in cleveland, but still. high risk, high reward. draftexpress has him at worst as smush parker, lol. i won't be that mean but a semi jerryd bayles make sense to me
Thompson and Waiters were both reachy, but so what if they were taken 2-4 spots ahead of the consensus. Both of them will turn out to be solid. You don't need superstars around Irving. All you want are solid NBA starters.
Drafting Zeller was major fail. Paid way too much for one of the worst prospect in the first round. Zeller looked good because he was a Senior and solidly half a foot taller than 90% of the college players.
[QUOTE=KyrieTheFuture]Dion can get to the rack at will unlike I've ever seen. I understand the Wade comparisons in the regard. It'll be interesting to see how he pairs with Kyrie in terms of penetration. You're gonna have to have a stellar back court D to stop them both.[/QUOTE]
Hope so.
One bad draft pick can set a team back for a decade.
Hawks picked Marvin Williams over Chris Paul or Deron Williams. The Pistons picked Darko Milicic over Dwyane Wade.
lol @ D-Wade potential
my god
CLE can look really bad this year IF Tristan doesn't develop much, Valciunas balls in the NBA, and this pick looks like crap. i mean REALLY bad considering they made picks a lot of people didn't expect and a lot of their future rebuilding plans and what they could've had will be displayed this year. Its more tolerable if it was a expected known player pick at that slot and he busted.
Waiters will be pretty solid, he'll be an alright #4 pick in any other draft.
2020: Kyrie Irving hosts the Decision part II.
I do like the Zeller pick though. Gets them a Sideshow Bob/Big Z replacement.
The Thompson pick last year was stupid and they compounded it by picking for need instead of best available because they had Thompson.