should dwyane wades resurection/take over/heat streak cost lebron mvp?

i mean common.. the heat are a near 60 win team without lebron

more deserving guys out there with less help

its not the "most efficient per of the year award" or "best player award"


its the most valuable player to your team award... lebron isnt as valuable as many others to his respective team

Lebron is the MVP , I'm sorry Kenneth. He is clearly the best player in the league. That is just a fact we have to accept right now

[QUOTE=kNicKz]Lebron is the MVP , I'm sorry Kenneth. He is clearly the best player in the league. That is just a fact we have to accept right now[/QUOTE]
Shaq has 1 MVP :rant

MVP is usually about the best player on the best team. It's going to be Lebron unless Miami starts losing and OKC goes on a long winning streak to finish ahead of Miami.

He's playing on a stacked team, that was the reason they did not to give more to Shaq & Kobe. MVP award is a JOKE.

Be that as it may, who else would you give it to? Westbrook has been playing just as well as Durant lately AND Parker is out w/ an injury. :confusedshrug:

LeBron is the reason for Wade's resurgence. LeBron gets all of defensive attention, and he creates easy buckets for Wade.

[QUOTE=kNicKz]Lebron is the MVP , I'm sorry Kenneth. He is clearly the best player in the league. That is just a fact we have to accept right now[/QUOTE]

how many times has the best player in the league won mvp over the last 2 decades

1993 barkley ( best player jordan )
1995 robinson ( best player hakeem )
1997 malone ( best player jordan )
1999 malone ( best player shaq )
2001 iverson ( best player shaq )
2002 duncan ( best player shaq )
2003 duncan ( best player kobe )
2005 nash ( best player duncan*kobe injured )
2006 nash ( best player kobe )
2007 dirk ( best player kobe )
2011 rose ( best player lebron )


:confusedshrug:

when has mvp ever been about "the best stats/player" until the past few seasons.. they just wanna change the criteria so lebron gets more mvps than mj

you're so mad

Every legit MVP candidate this season plays on a great team. Not sure why Lebron would be the only one penalized for it.

[QUOTE=truhooper]you're so mad[/QUOTE]

ya so

being mad about being mad is sooo 2011 bro

you missed that meme era i guess

i'm mad as hell :P

the media is ruining the prestige of the award.

Lol this dude, I swear. So salty. I love it.

not even michael jordan managed 4 mvps in 5 years. and he had the best stats/per was considered the best player from 88-93 ( 6 years )

[QUOTE=longhornfan1234]LeBron is the reason for Wade's resurgence. LeBron gets all of defensive attention, and he creates easy buckets for Wade.[/QUOTE]
lol, that goes completely both ways. Lebron doesn't face double teams anymore, you think he's shooting 56% by accident?

[QUOTE=Mr. Incredible]Lol this dude, I swear. So salty. I love it.[/QUOTE]


i am .. it isnt fair for guys like kobe/hakeem/shaq who should all have multiple mvps

theyre raping the award

again. the UMAD thing is played out. i can be mad if i want. its a legitimate case

the media has ruined the best regular season award in my fav sport. i should be mad. its like throwing acid on a new borns face.

[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]not even michael jordan managed 4 mvps in 5 years. and he had the best stats/per was considered the best player from 88-93 ( 6 years )[/QUOTE]

Right, but again, who else has a case besides Lebron?

[QUOTE=Jailblazers7]Every legit MVP candidate this season plays on a great team. Not sure why Lebron would be the only one penalized for it.[/QUOTE]


theres a difference between great and unbeatable

if heat break that 33 game win streak... i dont think lebron should ever win another mvp... hes only averaging 26ppg... his rebounds and assists arnt much better than any other year

its just his fg% that people are saying hes having his best season for. and who wouldnt shoot a high fg% on a team that could win 60 games without its best player

[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]theres a difference between great and unbeatable

if heat break that 33 game win streak... i dont think lebron should ever win another mvp... hes only averaging 26ppg... his rebounds and assists arnt much better than any other year

its just his fg% that people are saying hes having his best season for. and who wouldnt shoot a high fg% on a team that could win 60 games without its best player[/QUOTE]

Your basing all this on the assumption that the Heat would still be great without Lebron and I'm just not seeing it.

He is the leading rebounder on a team that is already last in the league in rebounding, leads the team in scoring and assists, and leads the team in minutes. Without him, the Heat probably start a 34 year old Shane Battier at SF and Wade is forced to play more of a PG role with Chalmers playing off ball. I highly doubt they win 60 games w/o him.

Basically you are making no sense. He shouldn't win MVP because he made his team look too good?

[QUOTE=Jailblazers7]Every legit MVP candidate this season plays on a great team. Not sure why Lebron would be the only one penalized for it.[/QUOTE]


Wade, Bosh>>>>>>>>>>Westbrook, Ibaka>>>>Duncan, Ginobli

[QUOTE=G-Funk]Wade, Bosh>>>>>>>>>>Westbrook, Ibaka>>>>Duncan, Ginobli[/QUOTE]
I agree with Bosh > Ibaka. Westbrook is clearly better than Wade. Better passer, defender, rebounder, scorer, and slasher. Westbrook has been much more consistent than Wade this season.

I agree that Jordan got snubbed a couple times for MVP, but that doesn't mean that it's ok to snub Lebron for MVP. He is the most valuable player in the league

[QUOTE=longhornfan1234]I agree with Bosh > Ibaka. Westbrook is clearly better than Wade. Better passer, defender, rebounder, scorer, and slasher. Westbrook has been much more consistent than Wade this season.[/QUOTE]

Is Bosh really better than Ibaka tho? Sure, he is a better scorer but Ibaka is much better on defense. They are prob pretty even as far as the value they bring to a team.

And Duncan > Bosh and Parker get to play for Pop who is infinitely better than Spoels.

[QUOTE=Jailblazers7]Your basing all this on the assumption that the Heat would still be great without Lebron and I'm just not seeing it.

He is the leading rebounder on a team that is already last in the league in rebounding, leads the team in scoring and assists, and leads the team in minutes. Without him, the Heat probably start a 34 year old Shane Battier at SF and Wade is forced to play more of a PG role with Chalmers playing off ball. I highly doubt they win 60 games w/o him.

Basically you are making no sense. He shouldn't win MVP because he made his team look too good?[/QUOTE]

This.. Plenty of years prime Wade lead heat were a 40 win team. I think without lebron Bosh averages 20 but they are 45-50 win team max.. Lebron is that good and does it all for Heat. Same reason Cavs were a top team as well. He is the straw that stirs drink.

I've seen you say in the past that you don't care if LeBron gets the MVP because the award is already tarnished.

Why are you complaining now and saying that the award "will be" tarnished if he gets it?

Stop being such a flipflopper, kenneth.

[QUOTE=longhornfan1234]I agree with Bosh > Ibaka. Westbrook is clearly better than Wade. Better passer, defender, rebounder, scorer, and slasher. Westbrook has been much more consistent than Wade this season.[/QUOTE]
Westbrook is nowhere near the level of D Wade right now, let alone any timed comparison at all. Are you ****in serious, a better scorer lmao, a better defender (this is easily the dumbest shit I have ever heard, D Wade is a all time great defensively), not a better passer at all, rebounding is close, Russ is one of the best, not a better scorer on any level at all, not a better slasher at all. *****, you gotta be shittin me???

[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Right, but again, who else has a case besides Lebron?[/QUOTE]

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how about a guy who doesnt have an mvp yet. and has a ton less help... and plays in a way tougher confrence. and is averaging way more points. and has to overcome a cancerous pg that shoots 40%fg's and takes more shots than him. and who lost their 3rd best player via salary dumping for garbage. and whos one of only a few guys in nba history to have a 50/40/90% season ( which is nearly impossible to have if you're leading the nba in scoring.. has it even happend before? )

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[QUOTE=Kingwillball]This.. Plenty of years prime Wade lead heat were a 40 win team. I think without lebron Bosh averages 20 but they are 45-50 win team max.. Lebron is that good and does it all for Heat. Same reason Cavs were a top team as well. He is the straw that stirs drink.[/QUOTE]



How you gonna compare those shit Heat teams to the one they have now? Without Lebron this Heat team is just as good. They have great role players and would have Wade and Bosh with bigger roles.

[QUOTE=HardwoodLegend]I've seen you say in the past that you don't care if LeBron gets the MVP because the award is already tarnished.

Why are you complaining now and saying that the award "will be" tarnished if he gets it?

Stop being such a flipflopper, kenneth.[/QUOTE]

i never said i didn't care about lebron winning it. i said the value of the award has been ruined

i still wanna see the award be consistent with past voting... so the all time comparisons cant be used against anyone. since for some eras the mvp wasnt about the best player or best stats. and in other eras it is..

Wishful thinking thread...

[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]how about a guy who doesnt have an mvp yet. and has a ton less help... and plays in a way tougher confrence. and is averaging way more points. and has to overcome a cancerous pg that shoots 40%fg's and takes more shots than him. and who lost their 3rd best player via salary dumping for garbage. and whos one of only a few guys in nba history to have a 50/40/90% season in nba history ( which is nearly impossible to have if you're leading the nba in scoring.. has it even happend before? )

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you mean the guy who has lost to lebron 6 games in a row? whose numbers are ridiculously inflated cause of the cheap touch whistles he gets? The guy who has great numbers but those numbers don't indicate how little impact he has on the games from the thunder games I've seen this season and last.

Durant lost his chance to win the MVP after he got destroyed by lebron in one of the most rigged games of the decade where the refs tried to bring the thunder back as hard as possible in OKC

[QUOTE=All Net]Wishful thinking thread...[/QUOTE]


all i'm trying to do is save the award/ and its history/ the nba's integrity


because if they give lebron the mvp this year. they wont have an argument against giving him the next 5-7.. lebron will finish with 8-10 mvps

because all lebron will have to do is stay on a stacked team and pad his fg% to win the award. no storylines, critera changes will be possible.

if they voted based on "best player".... jordan would have 10 mvps. kobe would have 5 mvps, shaq would have 5 mvps

why is it only lebron gets the benifit of the medias biased treatment

Absolutely any stat will show you how valuable Lebron is. The Heat's offensive and defensive ratings tank when Lebron is on the bench. Lebron is the MVP, deal with it ******

Ofcourse not.

Wade is overrated, a non 1st team All NBA player, vastly inferior to Kobe da gawd.

Clearly being carried by LeBron.....

Atleast this was the agenda that kennethgriffin was driving home last week.


P.S. OP is a fakkit.

[QUOTE=Kingwillball]This.. Plenty of years prime Wade lead heat were a 40 win team. I think without lebron Bosh averages 20 but they are 45-50 win team max.. Lebron is that good and does it all for Heat. Same reason Cavs were a top team as well. He is the straw that stirs drink.[/QUOTE]
they won 43 with rookies as the next best players and 47 the next year.

[QUOTE=kennethgriffin][B]
how about a guy who doesnt have an mvp yet. and has a ton less help... and plays in a way tougher confrence. and is averaging way more points. and has to overcome a cancerous pg that shoots 40%fg's and takes more shots than him. and who lost their 3rd best player via salary dumping for garbage. and whos one of only a few guys in nba history to have a 50/40/90% season ( which is nearly impossible to have if you're leading the nba in scoring.. has it even happend before? )

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Kevin Martin is no scrub he lead every team he played for in scoring he's not the playmaker harden is but he's no scrub. When a guy is leading his team in scoring rebs ast and that team has the best record that's MVP material

If (when) LeBron gets MVP he just needs one more Finals MVP to pass Kobe. Kobe-tards are shook.:lol

[QUOTE=Kingwillball]This.. Plenty of years prime Wade lead heat were a 40 win team. I think without lebron Bosh averages 20 but they are 45-50 win team max.. Lebron is that good and does it all for Heat. Same reason Cavs were a top team as well. He is the straw that stirs drink.[/QUOTE]
Prime Wade didn't have a Bosh in his team..

please. I agree with kenneth, great points. How do you give him MVP when Wade has been the main reason for the streak anyways? (In the last 10 games, his stats are better than lebron, and he has also been very clutch and closing games)

Without lebron, heat with Wade and Bosh are still top seed in the east. So what's so valuable about lebron? He's just stat-padding in a good team. What's valuable in that?

If we make 2 teams.

A. 5 all stars, leading their team to 65-17
B. 1 Star, leading his team to 55-27

Should we give it to the guy in team A with the best stats, or to the 1 star in team B who is playing out of his mind?

This will put the whole thing into perspective.

[QUOTE=ripthekik]Prime Wade didn't have a Bosh in his team..

please. I agree with kenneth, great points. How do you give him MVP when Wade has been the main reason for the streak anyways? (In the last 10 games, his stats are better than lebron, and he has also been very clutch and closing games)

Without lebron, heat with Wade and Bosh are still top seed in the east. So what's so valuable about lebron? [B][I][U]He's just stat-padding in a good team[/U][/I][/B]. What's valuable in that?[/QUOTE]

I laughed at this part more than anything else.I know you are trolling but when he was in cavs trolls like you had the same exact argument.He is statpadding because he is on a bad team.

In every case this guy is statpadding interesting:roll: :roll: :roll:

[QUOTE=ripthekik]If we make 2 teams.

A. 5 all stars, leading their team to 65-17
B. 1 Star, leading his team to 55-27

Should we give it to the guy in team A with the best stats, or to the 1 star in team B who is playing out of his mind?

This will put the whole thing into perspective.[/QUOTE]
WTF you talking about bruh?