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Julius Erving
Joe Dumars
Elgin Baylor...please read up on this man's career.
Dr J edges out Sir Charles
[QUOTE=INDI]You can't discredit a mans ability and take away some of his prime years because there was two leagues back then. He played for the nets which became a nba team anyway, so to say all nets players who played at this time career's don't count would be stupid. I view it as todays nfl conferences where alot of times teams don't even play against other teams. They are still in the same league but didnt get to meet.
also lets stop faking the funk, these threads are the greatest NBA players of alltime but I doubt most people even care if ABA statistics are included. Julius was that dude and lead a proffessional league in mvp's, championships etc....
A more fair comparison for those of you that refuse to use his ABA year is to take off the first 5 years of everyone that played and then see how they match up[/QUOTE]
Umm...I've been trying to vote in dr.J since #11, why you picking on me?
[QUOTE=DaHeezy]Umm...I've been trying to vote in dr.J since #11, why you picking on me?[/QUOTE]
lol. I meant to grab the quote from the poster you was debating with, sorry about that. I agree with your points
Mikan
[QUOTE=PK3434]Elgin Baylor...please read up on this man's career.[/QUOTE]
> Baylor was a beast, but he was often mentioned as one of the best, not the best, contrary to Dr J (especially if you count his ABA years where he just dominated the league). Baylor was never voted MVP, nor did he win an NBA championship.
Do you guys think John Havlicek might be getting a bit underrated here?
8 x Champion
1 x FMVP
11 x All-NBA team
8 x All-Defensive team
13 x All-Star
Career Average: 21-6-5
Best season: 29-9-8 (thats almost a 30 point triple double right there)
[quote=pauk]Do you guys think John Havlicek might be getting a bit underrated here?
8 x Champion
1 x FMVP
11 x All-NBA team
8 x All-Defensive team
13 x All-Star
Career Average: 21-6-5
Best season: 29-9-8 (thats almost a 30 point triple double right there)[/quote]
Maybe, maybe not, don't really know how he is rated...but he doesn't deserve a vote over some of the greats that have left to be voted for. I'm pretty comfortable saying guys like Barkley, Malone, Erving (NBA), are ahead of him regardless of championship count.
Erving is my vote.
[QUOTE=BoutPractice]> Baylor was a beast, but he was often mentioned as one of the best, not the best, contrary to Dr J (especially if you count his ABA years where he just dominated the league). [B]Baylor was never voted MVP, nor did he win an NBA championship.[/B][/QUOTE]
Baylor probably deserved the MVP in 62/63. He averaged a 34/14/5 on 45% and led the Lakers to 53 wins, even though West missed 27 games.
He also could very easily have been given the FMVP in the '62 Finals, after averaging a 41/18, including one of the greatest single games in playoff history in game 5 - 61 points, including 6 straight points with around a minute left that put L.A up by 3.
Julius Erving for me.
I do think there's guys like Baylor, Havlicek, Barkley, and Malone that have a case here, though.
#15 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops Voting
22- Julius Erving
4- Charles Barkley
4- Kevin Garnett
4- George Mikan
3- Elgin Baylor
2- Isiah Thomas
1- Karl Malone
1- David Robinson
1- Dirk Nowitzki