Bernie Sanders: I Don't Think Billionaires Should Exist
[QUOTE]To tackle "outrageous and grotesque and immoral" levels of inequality in the United States, Sen. Bernie Sanders on Tuesday proposed a new wealth tax on the richest Americans that economists say would slash the fortunes of billionaires in half over 15 years and raise an estimated $4.35 trillion in revenue during the first decade.
"[B]I don't think that billionaires should exist,[/B]" Sanders, a 2020 Democratic presidential candidate, told the New York Times in an interview. "[B]This proposal does not eliminate billionaires, but it eliminates a lot of the wealth that billionaires have, and I think that's exactly what we should be doing.[/B]"
Sanders's website outlines the framework of the tax plan:
[LIST]1 percent tax on wealth from $32 to $50 million[/LIST]
[LIST]2 percent on wealth from $50 to $250 million[/LIST]
[LIST]3 percent on wealth from $250 to $500 million[/LIST]
[LIST]4 percent on wealth from $500 to $1 billion[/LIST]
[LIST]5 percent on wealth from $1 billion to $2.5 billion[/LIST]
[LIST]6 percent on wealth from $2.5 billion to $5 billion[/LIST]
[LIST]7 percent on wealth from $5 billion to $10 billion[/LIST]
[LIST]8 percent on wealth over $10 billion.[/LIST][/QUOTE]
:facepalm
Re: Bernie Sanders: I Don't Think Billionaires Should Exist
He has no hope because he's going after the very thing that lets the people that rule the world rule the world. But a belief like that is consistent with the politics he's preached for his whole career. The one thing that can be said about Sanders over just about every politician that has gotten as far as he's gotten is that he's consistent with his beliefs.
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Those billionaires will ensure Bernie is targeted and taken out of the presidential race. I hope Bernie realizes that..
But this is also the one thing about democracy. If the majority of people will something, it will happen. It's 1 vote per person regardless of class or wealth. The wealthy must be shaking and they will go all out for Biden. If Warren or Bernie advance then those rich folks will push for Trump. They know they badly need Biden or Trump to be the president in 2020.
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There are more billionaires than ever before signaling economic growth and prosperity throughout the years, and this is somehow a bad thing?? :oldlol:
If there are more billionaires, then there are more millionaires. If there are more millionaires, then there are more people making six figures and so on and so on.
How awful!
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[QUOTE=bladefd]Those billionaires will ensure Bernie is targeted and taken out of the presidential race. I hope Bernie realizes that..
But this is also the one thing about democracy. If the majority of people will something, it will happen. It's 1 vote per person regardless of class or wealth. The wealthy must be shaking and they will go all out for Biden. If Warren or Bernie advance then those rich folks will push for Trump. They know they badly need Biden or Trump to be the president in 2020.[/QUOTE]
Not true. Vast majority of people have wanted gun reform for years and it hasn't happened. Most Americans are for higher taxes on the wealthy but it doesn't happen largely for the same reason Sanders' Billionaire purge won't happen. Bush and Trump have even been elected President while coming in second in total popular votes. This being a representative democracy it will always be a situation where you have to get people elected to achieve a legislatice goal. These people generally come from a party with a platform of beliefs that has to have rich people behind it to get the message out to enough people for a politician from the party to get elected. This money comes from rich people who are going to support the candidates and parties that let them keep their money,
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I don’t remember who I was arguing with but somebody was talking about some billionaire not needing all his money and I just don’t understand how anyone thinks you can prevent the creator of a massive internationally successful company from being a billionaire. Do these people think all billionaires have the money in a vault like Scrooge McDuck? If you founded and own a large percentage of a well run a successful company what do they want? For the government to take equity in your company?
You couldn’t tax away wealth because wealth is not income.
Anyone want the government having majority control of amazon, google, apple and so on?
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[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]Not true. Vast majority of people have wanted gun reform for years and it hasn't happened. Most Americans are for higher taxes on the wealthy but it doesn't happen largely for the same reason Sanders' Billionaire purge won't happen. Bush and Trump have even been elected President while coming in second in total popular votes. This being a representative democracy it will always be a situation where you have to get people elected to achieve a legislatice goal. These people generally come from a party with a platform of beliefs that has to have rich people behind it to get the message out to enough people for a politician from the party to get elected. This money comes from rich people who are going to support the candidates and parties that let them keep their money,[/QUOTE]
This is exactly why the Founding Fathers put so much power in the hands of the people, and intended so little to be in the hands of government.
Everything Bernie wants to achieve, his followers COULD achieve if they had drive and ambition and intelligence.
They could start their own insurance networks, and those who are able to pay more could voluntarily pay more. They can create their own communities where they all pitch in on bills and give more to those who need it. If you go to most cities these days, the white liberals are CRAMMED into expensive, gentrified hipster areas when they could be paying 1/3 the price if they're willing to live in poorer areas with people of color. But the Bernie Bros aren't willing to make any sacrifices, they're not willing to share, they're not willing to pull any weight. Even though they themselves are part of the global 1%, they selfishly believe it's is the .01% above [I]them[/I], who owe more to society. Who owe more to [I]them[/I]. How about we make the rich pay 75% in taxes for all the starving kids in Ghana, while the American middle class pays 75% to be given to American homeless junkies. That kosher? Or should the global .01% owe money to the global 1%?
What percent of his income do you think bladefd gives to the homeless? I bet it isn't anything close to 40. I'll eat my hat if it's even 10.
Bernie Bros are society's weak, looking for a shortcut via the hard work of others. It's disguised in altruism and tolerance and virtue-signaling, but at the end of the day, they're selfish, self-interested humans playing a political game for their own gain. That's ALL they are, and they're not better than any other factions doing the same.
Ironically they're the only ones who can't see this.
It's a competitive world. No political platform can change that. No short cuts.
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[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]There are more billionaires than ever before signaling economic growth and prosperity throughout the years, and this is somehow a bad thing?? :oldlol:
If there are more billionaires, then there are more millionaires. If there are more millionaires, then there are more people making six figures and so on and so on.
How awful![/QUOTE]
What about the illegals and lazy folks who want their fair share? :(
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[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]There are more billionaires than ever before signaling economic growth and prosperity throughout the years, and this is somehow a bad thing?? :oldlol:
If there are more billionaires, then there are more millionaires. If there are more millionaires, then there are more people making six figures and so on and so on.
How awful![/QUOTE]
....and middle class is the smallest it has ever been. The richest folks have most of the wealth and they continue to get richer and richer year after year, while the poor/middle-class get poorer and poorer. How is that a good thing for 99% of the country?
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[quote] [size="5"][B]Former Bernie Sanders staffer files charge alleging retaliation for union activities[/size][/B]
[url]https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/25/former-bernie-sanders-staffer-alleges-retaliation-for-union-activities.html[/url]
- An unnamed individual filed a charge with the National Labor Relations Board alleging that Sen. Bernie Sanders’ presidential campaign violated labor laws by firing employees for union activities.
- [B]The charge lists seven instances of unfair labor practices, including three accusations that Sanders’ campaign fired employees for joining or supporting a union.[/B]
Although Sen. Bernie Sanders’ presidential campaign [B]just days ago settled a prolonged salary dispute with the union representing campaign staffers, its labor issues are not yet over.[/B]
An unnamed individual, who seems to be a former campaign staffer, filed a charge with the National Labor Relations Board Monday alleging that the campaign committed labor law violations, including terminating employees for union activities.
The redacted NLRB charge posted by Bloomberg Law lists seven instances of unfair labor practices, including three accusations that Sanders’ campaign fired employees for joining or supporting a union and one accusation that the campaign interrogated employees about union activities.
[B]“Employer retaliated against me when I organized the bargaining unit,” the individual alleges in the complaint.
The charge also alleges that the campaign did not tell the individual when hired that the campaign had a collective bargaining agreement and required workers to work additional time.[/B]
Sanders’ campaign maintained his dedication to and support of union organizing.
“The campaign leadership, from Sen. Sanders on down, respects the rights of all of its employees to speak collectively and bargain about their terms and conditions of employment, and it supports the mission of the NLRB to enforce worker and union rights,” the campaign said in a statement. “That is exactly why the Bernie 2020 campaign voluntarily recognized the employees’ chosen union and engaged in good faith bargaining that resulted in an historic collective bargaining agreement.”
The campaign said it could not comment on the specific charges the individual filed to avoid interfering with the NLRB process, but maintained there was no wrongdoing by the campaign.
“We are committed to cooperating with the NLRB and we are confident that they will find the campaign honors all of its employees’ rights to both the letter and spirit of the law,” the campaign said. “Sen. Sanders and the campaign believe all workers should have a strong voice on the job and the right to due process, including the right to petition to the NLRB.”
NLRB investigators and attorneys must now evaluate the charge to determine if it has merit and issue a complaint.
[B]Sanders has frequently expressed strong public support for unions, but this is not the campaign’s first labor dispute.
Just a day after this charge was filed, the campaign resolved a long-running dispute with its union, which was attempting to secure a salary increase for field organizers equivalent to at least a $15 an hour wage.[/B] [/quote]
Sanders is a wannabe dictator, who believes that as long as [I]he[/I] has all the answers, he's entitled to more than others. [I]But everyone else should be equal![/I]
He's seeking power via the same shtick and promises dictators have ALWAYS achieved power through. "I'm gonna give all the money to my supporters!"
It never actually works that way when someone gets into power though. Sanders is so obviously the kind of guy who would push to crown himself unremovable from office, and seek to 'eliminate' any political opposition to his "People's Party" via dubious means. :facepalm
But hey, tards have fallen for these gimmicks throughout human history. It's no wonder his voter base is overwhelmingly young people with no life experience, but who amazingly have all the answers.
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[QUOTE=RealSkipBayless]What about the illegals and lazy folks who want their fair share? :([/QUOTE]
You eliminate them.
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[QUOTE=bladefd]....and middle class is the smallest it has ever been. The richest folks have most of the wealth and they continue to get richer and richer year after year, while the poor/middle-class get poorer and poorer. How is that a good thing for 99% of the country?[/QUOTE]
Taking money from the wealthiest and redistributing it isn't the answer. If you're poor and Middle Class and you want to make more money, then find alternative ways to earn more. What I said before holds true.
You can't just throw money at people and say, "Here! Invest wisely and save your money!"
You have to teach them and create the opportunities for them to earn more. And guess what? Job numbers are up!
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[QUOTE=bladefd]....and middle class is the smallest it has ever been. The richest folks have most of the wealth and they continue to get richer and richer year after year, while the poor/middle-class get poorer and poorer. How is that a good thing for 99% of the country?[/QUOTE]
People are actually getting richer - that's why the middle class is shrinking.
Re: Bernie Sanders: I Don't Think Billionaires Should Exist
[QUOTE=bladefd]Those billionaires will ensure Bernie is targeted and taken out of the presidential race. I hope Bernie realizes that..
But this is also the one thing about democracy. If the majority of people will something, it will happen. It's 1 vote per person regardless of class or wealth. The wealthy must be shaking and they will go all out for Biden. If Warren or Bernie advance then those rich folks will push for Trump. They know they badly need Biden or Trump to be the president in 2020.[/QUOTE]
Most Billionaires' wealth is tied up in their investments and ownership stakes in companies. Their net worth fluctuates with the value of companies. Bezos for instance "lost" something like 2.5 Billion dollars today.
Is Bernie going to force Billionaires to sell their stakes in companies they own, founded, or invested in in order to pay his wealth taxes?
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[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]Taking money from the wealthiest and redistributing it isn't the answer. If you're poor and Middle Class and you want to make more money, then find alternative ways to earn more. What I said before holds true.
You can't just throw money at people and say, "Here! Invest wisely and save your money!"
You have to teach them and create the opportunities for them to earn more. And guess what? Job numbers are up![/QUOTE]
Wealth has already redistributed since the late-70s to a small slice of America and continues to redistribute even today to the richest folks at the top. Rich get richer, poor get poorer has held true on average going back decades. Few exceptions here and there, which is why I say 'on average'
[QUOTE=Hawker]People are actually getting richer - that's why the middle class is shrinking.[/QUOTE]
Average incomes have been pretty much stagnant going back to the 70s. Meanwhile most of the new wealth has gone to a tiny fraction of people, who were already rich..