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ISH opinions: is Lebron already ahead of Kobe all-time wise??
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i'll keep count.
yes ---- 2
no ----- 6
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Im really looking forward to this civil, intelligent discussion. Really interested in hearing people's well-thought out opinions, especially since this is rarely discussed.
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[QUOTE=Warfan]Im really looking forward to this civil, intelligent discussion. Really interested in hearing people's well-thought out opinions, especially since this is rarely discussed.[/QUOTE]
it's optional to have some arguments. But i'm just looking for a yes/no answer in general right now.
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What an original thread OP. :applause:
All the Kobe stans have said no, who would have guessed that. :facepalm
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I have Kobe at #8 and LeBron at #12 so no.
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[QUOTE=JT123]What an original thread OP. :applause:
All the Kobe stans have said no, who would have guessed that. :facepalm[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: My thoughts exactly. If you are looking for a civil, intelligent discussion you are on the wrong forum, OP.
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Not yet, but in a couple years he will be, IMO. Other than the number of MVPs, Kobe is ahead of LeBron in every category. Some people underrate Kobe here. He has 5 championships, and a ton of other accolades. He's also the 5th player ever to score 30,000 points or more. Kobe is one of the basketball greats. Definitely a top 10 player ever. LeBron still has [I]some[/I] catching up to do before we can say he's better than Kobe.
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[QUOTE=JT123]What an original thread OP. :applause:
All the Kobe stans have said no, who would have guessed that. :facepalm[/QUOTE]
if you don't agree with them, then say yes. So are you a yes?
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[QUOTE=GrapeApe]I have Kobe at #8 and LeBron at #12 so no.[/QUOTE]
:facepalm Heat fans so bitter and ungrateful.
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[QUOTE=Smoke117]:oldlol: My thoughts exactly. If you are looking for a civil, intelligent discussion you are on the wrong forum, OP.[/QUOTE]
are you a yes then?
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It's literally neck and neck as of right now imo, so unless catastrophe strikes LeBron's career, I don't see how he doesn't surpass Kobe all time
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Only thing Kobe has on Lebron is more rings really.
Lebron is the better basketball player, and has been since he entered the league.
Mind you, this is coming from a Cavs fan who didn't want the guy back.
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[b][size="7"]No.[/size][/b]
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nope, not yet and not as close as Lebron fans would want you to believe
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No.
Lebron needs to prove that he's not a p@ssy on a fulltime basis. He has too many question marks when it comes to winning against tough competition and this team stacking is not good for his credentials.
Until then, I can't move him above top 10 all time. Its a slight on the players above him who have won with legit adversity.
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[QUOTE=FatComputerNerd]Only thing Kobe has on Lebron is more rings really.
Lebron is the better basketball player, and has been since he entered the league.
Mind you, this is coming from a Cavs fan who didn't want the guy back.[/QUOTE]
Mind you, this is coming from a guy that thinks rookie Lebron was better than Kobe in his prime.
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[QUOTE=poido123]No.
Lebron needs to prove that he's not a p@ssy on a fulltime basis. He has too many question marks when it comes to winning against tough competition and this team stacking is not good for his credentials.
Until then, I can't move him above top 10 all time. [B]Its a slight on the players above him who have won with legit adversity[/B].[/QUOTE]
What "adversity" did players like Magic, Bird, Shaq and Kobe have to win with?
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[QUOTE=JT123]:facepalm Heat fans so bitter and ungrateful.[/QUOTE]
Ranking LeBron below Kobe (for now) makes me bitter and ungrateful? :wtf:
Are you really that insecure?
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:facepalm .He'd need to win at least 7-8 rings on a far less stacked team to even be in a conversation with Kobe. And even so, he'd still be lightyears behind Kobe in terms of the eye test and Ring:Asterisk ratio.
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[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents]What "adversity" did players like Magic, Bird, Shaq and Kobe have to win with?[/QUOTE]
Well for beginners, Kobe in 2010 alone had to go through more 50 win teams to get a championship than Lebron did through his entire career up to 2014.
Lebron won all his championships with 2 all stars beside him. Kobe only 1. Kobe did as much with Pau Gasol out west as Lebron did with Wade & Bosh in the WOAT conference.
Bird immediately turned a shitty team into a playoff contender.
Magic as a rookie point guard replaced KAJ at center in the finals and won the deciding game..
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Re: ISH opinions: is Lebron already ahead of Kobe all-time wise??
yes
it's a general consensus among players, experts and fans
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I think he will end up being, but right now? No.
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[QUOTE=Trollsmasher]yes
it's a general consensus among players, experts and fans[/QUOTE]
no one would care if you died in real life :roll:
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[QUOTE=Meticode]I think he will end up being, but right now? No.[/QUOTE]
ex heat fan :roll: no shame
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[QUOTE=AnaheimLakers24]ex heat fan :roll: no shame[/QUOTE]
Thank you.
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Depends on if you value Kobe's 3 more championships as a sidekick/not the best player/MVP/FMVP in his team... over Lebron's 3 more MVP's as the best player in the NBA....
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[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents]What "adversity" did players like Magic, Bird, Shaq and Kobe have to win with?[/QUOTE]
They actually played against all time greats or each other as you will.
The 80s/90s have the most saturated talent out of all eras and also have 9 of the 10 best players to have played the game.
To be the best you have to play the best. Not playing In a weak eastern conference with no all time greats and cakewalking against trash teams.
The best player lebron has played all time is old man Duncan. Enough said.
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I believe he is as far as impact. If we're going with accolades I'd say they're tied right now. Those MVPs and tie in FMVPs are what did it. Kobe's other 3 rings he was the sidekick. If that was LeBron out there with prime Shaq he'd be a sidekick too
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[QUOTE=AnaheimLakers24]no one would care if you died in real life :roll:[/QUOTE]
:cheers:
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[IMG]http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu340/killaplaya247/godbe_zps48b947d3.png[/IMG]
vs.
[IMG]http://oi60.tinypic.com/21e4tqb.jpg[/IMG]
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[QUOTE=AnaheimLakers24]no one would care if you died in real life :roll:[/QUOTE]
Even tho he has a shitty opinion that's still fcked up man..
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